Illinois State

[appst89]

KgFish: I love fans like you. "We may very well win, but I wouldn't be surprised with a quick first round exit."

Way to hedge your bet. If you think we are gonna lose, then at least own that position.

Given the schizophrenia of this team this year, there is no other logical position to take. We could run the table or we could exit in the first round and neither would be that much of a surprise.

[WVAPPeer]

KgFish: I love fans like you. "We may very well win, but I wouldn't be surprised with a quick first round exit."

Way to hedge your bet. If you think we are gonna lose, then at least own that position.

Also glad he is not in charge of motivation -

[SpeedkingATL]

App has as many good skill position players as anyone in the field. Get the ball to the playmakers, play solid defense, and don't give away points and this App team can play with anyone in the field. Satterfield should have a healthy offense and over 2 weeks to disect the ISU defense and figure out the best way to utilize what appears to be a speed advantage and overcome the size advantage.

Go Apps! Be there and be LOUD.

[Kgfish]

KgFish: I love fans like you. "We may very well win, but I wouldn't be surprised with a quick first round exit."

Way to hedge your bet. If you think we are gonna lose, then at least own that position.

Not hedging bets. As inconsistent as this team has been all year anything is possible. As is the norm with FCS football it is hard to tell how good teams are. Not enough exposure to get a good feel for them.

[Yosef84]

I am guilty of drinking the Koolaid sometimes....but I like a rested, getting healthy, ASU team.....and for the record....Charlie said on ESPN-U Sunday that Stony Brook and New Hampshire were the last two in.

We were a little banged up and needed some rest....I think JJ is better post injury because he is thinking less about the run and more about the reads, and checkdowns. His passing may be better now than earlier....because he is less mobile!

A rested defense is a good thing. Washington and the Chancellor were banged up. Miller needed some rest.....

This is a different staff than last year too.....I liked most of what I saw down the stretch....too often our fan base forgets we get EVERYONE's best shot!

Go APPS!

Furman was not a good team - couldn't beat us after spotting them 21 points - GSU was beat up miserably but still rolled up 552 yards on us, Wofford hung 440 yards on us, we gave up 350+ and lucked out against Samford, Western is just plain awful and they put over 300 on us, and the last team that could throw racked up 419 through the air on us. With the way this bunch can throw and as good as they are up front on defense I can see a long day ahead for ther Apps.

The SoCon was more competitive top to bottom than it has been in years. Furman was in an "off" year, but they are certainly better than their record implies and they are about as motivated against App as ny team in the country. GSU rolled up impressive yardage against a top tier BCS program (Georgia) last week. Western picked up garbage yardage/points at the end of a game that was already decided. Yes, our guys need to do a better job of closing, but we have a new season now (playoffs) and I'm ready to see what these young guys can do!

GO APPS!!!

If you define competitve to be weaker I say you are right. We won a share of the conference title with third team back ups and walk ons playing signficant roles. I'm not saying the guys didn't play hard and give it their all, but the competition wasn't anywhere close to where it has been in the past.

Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but I disagree. Your logic is circular. The competition wasn't good because we beat them and the wins are somehow discounted because the competition wasn't good. The fact is that, top to bottom, the conference was playing well this year. Even Western is on the rise even though they have a ways to go. GSU is back in form. Wofford is solid. Chattanooga is as good as many of the playoff teams, and I frankly think Samford could say the same thing. The Citadel was up and down, but their ups were very high and they are very athletic.

I really think there is a ton of talent on this team. A LOT of it is very young and therefore we definitely struggle with consistency. We might lose early, but believe we're capable of hanging with any team in the playoffs if we stop shooting ourselves in the foot and execute.

[AppinATL]

I am guilty of drinking the Koolaid sometimes....but I like a rested, getting healthy, ASU team.....and for the record....Charlie said on ESPN-U Sunday that Stony Brook and New Hampshire were the last two in.

We were a little banged up and needed some rest....I think JJ is better post injury because he is thinking less about the run and more about the reads, and checkdowns. His passing may be better now than earlier....because he is less mobile!

A rested defense is a good thing. Washington and the Chancellor were banged up. Miller needed some rest.....

This is a different staff than last year too.....I liked most of what I saw down the stretch....too often our fan base forgets we get EVERYONE's best shot!

Go APPS!

Furman was not a good team - couldn't beat us after spotting them 21 points - GSU was beat up miserably but still rolled up 552 yards on us, Wofford hung 440 yards on us, we gave up 350+ and lucked out against Samford, Western is just plain awful and they put over 300 on us, and the last team that could throw racked up 419 through the air on us. With the way this bunch can throw and as good as they are up front on defense I can see a long day ahead for ther Apps.

Well that's it. We don't stand a chance in this game by this logic I'm reading. Call the coaches and players and tell 'em we suck. Are you sure you're an App fan that wants our team to win? I kinda doubt it after this post.

I can assure you I am a ASU fan. Long time season ticket holder and Yosef Club contributor. I am also a realist and don't look at things through rose colored glasses. I will not apologize for being not being an "all is well" loyalist. If you can't recognize the issues facing this team you need to take a step back. We may very well win this game, but I will not be surprised if we have another quick exit.

It does make you wonder when someone goes to that length to minimize the team's accomplishments this season. According to you, every game we won was either a result of luck or the other team sucked (but we still didn't beat them right). It must be a bummer to be such a "realist."

[AppAlum1]

Back on topic.

Don't we play Illinois State on Dec. 1?

[87ASUgrad]

I am pleased with this team. After the Citadel game alot of people gave up on them, but this young and banged up team did not quit. Proud of these guys. If you would have offered to bet me early this season that Apps would finish 8-3 and make the playoffs, I would have taken that bet.

YOSEF better load heavy with bird shot on December 1st. Time to kill some red birds.

[GreatAppSt]

KgFish: I love fans like you. "We may very well win, but I wouldn't be surprised with a quick first round exit."

Way to hedge your bet. If you think we are gonna lose, then at least own that position.

Also glad he is not in charge of motivation -

Message boards are full of 2 kinds of people:

Those who give their opinion on a message board and those who are appalled at the fact that people are giving their opinion on a message board.

[Kgfish]

KgFish: I love fans like you. "We may very well win, but I wouldn't be surprised with a quick first round exit."

Way to hedge your bet. If you think we are gonna lose, then at least own that position.

Also glad he is not in charge of motivation -

Message boards are full of 2 kinds of people:

Those who give their opinion on a message board and those who are appalled at the fact that people are giving their opinion on a message board.

Especially when that opinion differs with theirs. The discourse on this board would be a much more enjoyable if people merely considered other's opinions and expressed their own rather than attacking them for having it.

[Kgfish]

I am guilty of drinking the Koolaid sometimes....but I like a rested, getting healthy, ASU team.....and for the record....Charlie said on ESPN-U Sunday that Stony Brook and New Hampshire were the last two in.

We were a little banged up and needed some rest....I think JJ is better post injury because he is thinking less about the run and more about the reads, and checkdowns. His passing may be better now than earlier....because he is less mobile!

A rested defense is a good thing. Washington and the Chancellor were banged up. Miller needed some rest.....

This is a different staff than last year too.....I liked most of what I saw down the stretch....too often our fan base forgets we get EVERYONE's best shot!



Go APPS!

Furman was not a good team - couldn't beat us after spotting them 21 points - GSU was beat up miserably but still rolled up 552 yards on us, Wofford hung 440 yards on us, we gave up 350+ and lucked out against Samford, Western is just plain awful and they put over 300 on us, and the last team that could throw racked up 419 through the air on us. With the way this bunch can throw and as good as they are up front on defense I can see a long day ahead for ther Apps.

Well that's it. We don't stand a chance in this game by this logic I'm reading. Call the coaches and players and tell 'em we suck. Are you sure you're an App fan that wants our team to win? I kinda doubt it after this post.

I can assure you I am a ASU fan. Long time season ticket holder and Yosef Club contributor. I am also a realist and don't look at things through rose colored glasses. I will not apologize for being not being an "all is well" loyalist. If you can't recognize the issues facing this team you need to take a step back. We may very well win this game, but I will not be surprised if we have another quick exit.

It does make you wonder when someone goes to that length to minimize the team's accomplishments this season. According to you, every game we won was either a result of luck or the other team sucked (but we still didn't beat them right). It must be a bummer to be such a "realist."

When did pointing out the obvious - like statistics - become minimizing the team's accomplishments? Someone said "I liked most of what I saw down the stretch". I merely pointed out how fortunate we were by presenting facts that clearly showed how porous the defense was the last half of the season. and by making the silly assertion we were lucky to beat Samford with a circus catch for a last second TD. I suppose Citadel beating up on Furman is no indication of how "good" the Paladins are. What I neglected to address was the witty comment "too often our fan base forgets we get EVERYONE's best shot!" I find it interesting to think some actually believe ASU is the only one that gets the full attention of opposing teams.

[asumike83]

When did pointing out the obvious - like statistics - become minimizing the team's accomplishments? Someone said "I liked most of what I saw down the stretch". I merely pointed out how fortunate we were by presenting facts that clearly showed how porous the defense was the last half of the season. and by making the silly assertion we were lucky to beat Samford with a circus catch for a last second TD. I suppose Citadel beating up on Furman is no indication of how "good" the Paladins are. What I neglected to address was the witty comment "too often our fan base forgets we get EVERYONE's best shot!" I find it interesting to think some actually believe ASU is the only one that gets the full attention of opposing teams.

I'd contend that Sean Price making a great catch in the end zone was not luck. He's set every freshman record in ASU history, is only a few yards from Randy Moss' all-time FCS freshman record and has a Payton finalist throwing to him. Price and Jackson have been doing it all season. Having good players is not luck.

[asutrnr81]

I do not know about anyone else, but I have never been to a an ASU game I did not think we were going to win. Rose colored glasses or just a loyal fan.

I say we beat Ill. St. and I do not care if it is by 1 or 101....win and move own....we are talking about 18-22 year olds......how many of you know what your child is going to do tomorrow....I do not.....so just pull for the damn APPS or quit finding or making excuses.

I say we win! ok...there!

Right now we are one of 20 teams with a chance to win a National Championship....after Saturday we will be one of 16.....I like our odds....we are in the tourney!

Go APPS!

[Kgfish]

When did pointing out the obvious - like statistics - become minimizing the team's accomplishments? Someone said "I liked most of what I saw down the stretch". I merely pointed out how fortunate we were by presenting facts that clearly showed how porous the defense was the last half of the season. and by making the silly assertion we were lucky to beat Samford with a circus catch for a last second TD. I suppose Citadel beating up on Furman is no indication of how "good" the Paladins are. What I neglected to address was the witty comment "too often our fan base forgets we get EVERYONE's best shot!" I find it interesting to think some actually believe ASU is the only one that gets the full attention of opposing teams.

I'd contend that Sean Price making a great catch in the end zone was not luck. He's set every freshman record in ASU history, is only a few yards from Randy Moss' all-time FCS freshman record and has a Payton finalist throwing to him. Price and Jackson have been doing it all season. Having good players is not luck.

It was an exceptional catch, but it is foolish to "contend" there is not an element of luck in every play like that. Out of 10 balls like that how many do you think he comes down with in bounds? You must not have noticed my tag line or you would know I give the young man credit for the play.

[AppAlum1]

News flash.

Hate to interrupt the message board squabbling, BUT ....
The title of this here thread is: ILLINOIS STATE.

Anyone know anything at all about them? Mr. C posted on AGS that they are a bubble team that should not have made it. They've also lost to two questionable teams in the MVC. Are they a bunch of big, slow, white boys ... or what?

[AppState89]

News flash.

Hate to interrupt the message board squabbling, BUT ....
The title of this here thread is: ILLINOIS STATE.

Anyone know anything at all about them? Mr. C posted on AGS that they are a bubble team that should not have made it. They've also lost to two questionable teams in the MVC. Are they a bunch of big, slow, white boys ... or what?

I know some say they were a bubble team, but they had NDSU beat most of the game, but gave out of gas in the 4th. They did finish 3rd in their conference. They lost two questionable games, but we lost to El Cid. We will have our hands full next weekend. Their QB is one of the best in the country. I'm sure he will pass for 350+ yards (Elon's QB). We will have to stop their front 4 period.

[asumike83]

When did pointing out the obvious - like statistics - become minimizing the team's accomplishments? Someone said "I liked most of what I saw down the stretch". I merely pointed out how fortunate we were by presenting facts that clearly showed how porous the defense was the last half of the season. and by making the silly assertion we were lucky to beat Samford with a circus catch for a last second TD. I suppose Citadel beating up on Furman is no indication of how "good" the Paladins are. What I neglected to address was the witty comment "too often our fan base forgets we get EVERYONE's best shot!" I find it interesting to think some actually believe ASU is the only one that gets the full attention of opposing teams.

I'd contend that Sean Price making a great catch in the end zone was not luck. He's set every freshman record in ASU history, is only a few yards from Randy Moss' all-time FCS freshman record and has a Payton finalist throwing to him. Price and Jackson have been doing it all season. Having good players is not luck.

It was an exceptional catch, but it is foolish to "contend" there is not an element of luck in every play like that. Out of 10 balls like that how many do you think he comes down with in bounds? You must not have noticed my tag line or you would know I give the young man credit for the play.

He has been going up and getting jump balls over smaller defeners all season and made a very similar catch in the corner of the end zone in traffic against Western. If Jamal put another accurate pass like that on him, I'd like his chances to make a play again.

If winning a game because your best receiver makes a big play with the game on the line is a lucky win, I'll take another lucky win next Saturday.

[asutrnr81]

Word from Boone, The can trow the ball well. We throw it better. Their OL is huge and play well together. Our OL is young and still coming together. Defensively we should have an advantage due to speed, but they are crafty runners of the football.

They played with NDSU....until the end of the game. Silly loses hurt them.

After talking with the person I did....they sound a lot like us!

Go APPS!

[asumike83]

Word from Boone, The can trow the ball well. We throw it better. Their OL is huge and play well together. Our OL is young and still coming together. Defensively we should have an advantage due to speed, but they are crafty runners of the football.

They played with NDSU....until the end of the game. Silly loses hurt them.

After talking with the person I did....they sound a lot like us!

Go APPS!

They are a very good team. Matt Brown, their QB, is a late round NFL prospect. Big kid, about 6-3, 225 with a real strong arm. Very efficient in the red zone as well.

Overall, they are not as explosive as us offensively but they will have a size advantage up front. We do have more team speed but we've seen that neutralized with a power running game the past few years.

They are a rough match-up, it should be a very physical game. I see them as a team in a similar mold as Furman but with significantly more talent.

There should be points on the board on both sides, I think it could come down to who can make some stops in the second half. The good news for us is that they have been terrible on special teams so hopefully we won't see the game changed in a big return.

I like that Satterfield has extra time to prepare for them. They are real strong in the front seven but if we can get our athletes in space, we should be able to move the ball pretty well. I think we will use the short routes to keep them honest before we start looking for Price on the deep routes.

[TheGreatBolo]

(1) ain't nobody good, so we have a good chance as any to win - if the team is fired up and don't come out like we did vs Citadel. (2) kill the 3rd down bell - nothing special 'cause most stadiums ring it and it has been a signal for us that other team is gonna get a first down. (3) on Labor Day, most were saying we'll take 7-4 with this team. Well, our team done better.