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AppSt94 · Unread post by **AppSt94** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:31 pm

appst89 wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:
appst89 wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:You guys really think having a computer pick 2 teams is better than a committee picking 4? --- anyway, I see this going to 8 teams with the 5 conference champions and 3 at large teams ---
I thought the committee would be better. Turns out, I was wrong.
So which 2 teams should be playing in your mind? ---
Well, I like four better than two, so I'm not saying it should be two. But I think the committee screwed up worse than the computer ever did.

I agree. The committe sold their integrity for the ratings.

WVAPPeer · Unread post by **WVAPPeer** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:37 pm

so in what way was the committee wrong? - I'm not saying they were 100% correct but what do you think was wrong? ---

AppSt94 · Unread post by **AppSt94** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:13 pm

WVAPPeer wrote:so in what way was the committee wrong? - I'm not saying they were 100% correct but what do you think was wrong? ---

I will speak to why I think that the process is wrong. Florida State started the season #1 and has done nothing but win all of their games and they have started to move down the rankings over the last few weeks. The reason for the decent has been because the overall body of work was perceived to be weaker than others. I don't necessarily disagree with that line of thinking. However, that all seemed to change this week leading up to the final rankings. TCU won and went from #3 to #6. OSU wins and goes from #5 to #4. Both teams won out; so how did two blowouts, one against a ranked opponent and one against a weak opponent create such an adverse change in perception to the overall body of work? OSU turned in a dominate performance yesterday but the style in which they won was an anomaly to how they have won this year. Based on the outcome of the BIG CCG in comparison to it's other wins, there are a couple of conclusions that can be drawn from the 59-0 score. Wisconsin was off on the wrong day or they just suck. In my opinion, the committee did not award OSU for their win as much as they hosed the Big XII for not having a championship game. Think of it this way. If the ACC had been raided during the last couple of realignments and they were the one's without enough members for a CCG this year; FSU would have been the defending Nat'l Champ and the only undefeated team in the country and they wound probably be the ones on the outside looking in.

WVAPPeer · Unread post by **WVAPPeer** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:16 pm

"The Big 12 commissioner says the conference will reconsider how to declare its champion after being left out of the four-team college football playoff.

In a phone interview on the College Football Playoff Selection Show, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby told ESPN's Rece Davis: "It's clear that we were penalized for not having a postseason championship game. It would have been nice to have been told that ahead of time."

"We have to weigh whether this is substantial enough to add institutions. ... It's certainly a major consideration."

Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby, right, said the league will reconsider how to declare its champion after being left out of the four-team college football playoff.

The Big 12 would need to add two teams or have the NCAA approve a waiver to have a conference championship game. The Big 12 has 10 teams, and a conference must have 12 teams to have a conference championship game."

huskie3 · Unread post by **huskie3** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:38 pm

WVAPPeer wrote:"The Big 12 commissioner says the conference will reconsider how to declare its champion after being left out of the four-team college football playoff.

In a phone interview on the College Football Playoff Selection Show, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby told ESPN's Rece Davis: "It's clear that we were penalized for not having a postseason championship game. It would have been nice to have been told that ahead of time."

"We have to weigh whether this is substantial enough to add institutions. ... It's certainly a major consideration."

Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby, right, said the league will reconsider how to declare its champion after being left out of the four-team college football playoff.

The Big 12 would need to add two teams or have the NCAA approve a waiver to have a conference championship game. The Big 12 has 10 teams, and a conference must have 12 teams to have a conference championship game."

No, all the Big 12 had to do was declare a rep. There was a head to head, the winner should have been Big 12 rep. They could have still been co-champs for conference records.

AppSt94 · Unread post by **AppSt94** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:42 pm

WVAPPeer wrote:"The Big 12 commissioner says the conference will reconsider how to declare its champion after being left out of the four-team college football playoff.

In a phone interview on the College Football Playoff Selection Show, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby told ESPN's Rece Davis: "It's clear that we were penalized for not having a postseason championship game. It would have been nice to have been told that ahead of time."

"We have to weigh whether this is substantial enough to add institutions. ... It's certainly a major consideration."

Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby, right, said the league will reconsider how to declare its champion after being left out of the four-team college football playoff.

The Big 12 would need to add two teams or have the NCAA approve a waiver to have a conference championship game. The Big 12 has 10 teams, and a conference must have 12 teams to have a conference championship game."

If that is true and I believe that it could be a punishment then the current system is no better than what we had. I don't see it stopping there. 5 conferences playing for 4 spots in an invitational tournament will lead to another format.

WVAPPeer · Unread post by **WVAPPeer** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:47 pm

I do feel they need to go to 8 teams - the 5 conference champions are automatic with 3 at large teams decided like the final 4 were decided this season ---

AppSt94 · Unread post by **AppSt94** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:53 pm

WVAPPeer wrote:I do feel they need to go to 8 teams - the 5 conference champions are automatic with 3 at large teams decided like the final 4 were decided this season ---

I think that it will expand but I think that it needs to be larger than 8. 8 won't get any G5 teams into the conversation. Also what happens to the teams left out of the playoffs. Wisconsin would have an argument for this year against say Miss St. because both finished the regular season 10-2 but Wisconsin was penalized for their loss yesterday. Will teams that made it to a CCG but lost be penalized?

Yosef10 · Unread post by **Yosef10** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:56 pm

appst89 wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:
appst89 wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:You guys really think having a computer pick 2 teams is better than a committee picking 4? --- anyway, I see this going to 8 teams with the 5 conference champions and 3 at large teams ---
I thought the committee would be better. Turns out, I was wrong.
Shirley, you can't be serious??? ---
The computer couldn't have screwed up this badly.

That's funny because the computers had these exact 4 teams in the playoff. Not sure what else you could ask for

http://fansided.com/2014/12/07/college- ... top-teams/

WVAPPeer · Unread post by **WVAPPeer** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:02 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:so in what way was the committee wrong? - I'm not saying they were 100% correct but what do you think was wrong? ---
I will speak to why I think that the process is wrong. Florida State started the season #1 and has done nothing but win all of their games and they have started to move down the rankings over the last few weeks. The reason for the decent has been because the overall body of work was perceived to be weaker than others. I don't necessarily disagree with that line of thinking. However, that all seemed to change this week leading up to the final rankings. TCU won and went from #3 to #6. OSU wins and goes from #5 to #4. Both teams won out; so how did two blowouts, one against a ranked opponent and one against a weak opponent create such an adverse change in perception to the overall body of work? OSU turned in a dominate performance yesterday but the style in which they won was an anomaly to how they have won this year. Based on the outcome of the BIG CCG in comparison to it's other wins, there are a couple of conclusions that can be drawn from the 59-0 score. Wisconsin was off on the wrong day or they just suck. In my opinion, the committee did not award OSU for their win as much as they hosed the Big XII for not having a championship game. Think of it this way. If the ACC had been raided during the last couple of realignments and they were the one's without enough members for a CCG this year; FSU would have been the defending Nat'l Champ and the only undefeated team in the country and they wound probably be the ones on the outside looking in.

94 - thanks for taking the time to give me your thoughts and they are valid - in my mind there is no question that the Big 12 not having a conference championship game really really hurt them - I didn't like the committee ranking the "top 4" every week - they need to meet and possibly release a list of the top 10 each week but in no ranking order (or something similar) - the chair said they couldn't make their final decisions until the season was complete - well, don't give us a top 4 until the season is complete --- I personally think the Big 10 is a joke and until they beat Wisc 59-0 Ohio State would not have gotten in - but 59-0 over another ranked team is hard to overlook - Baylor's OCC was ridiculous - SMU, Northwestern STATE, Buffalo and TCU's wasn't much better - SMU, SAMford, Minnesota --- FSU clearly had the toughest OCC games - I don't know? I need to ponder this some more

Unread post by **appst89** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:36 pm

Yosef10 wrote:
appst89 wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:
appst89 wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:You guys really think having a computer pick 2 teams is better than a committee picking 4? --- anyway, I see this going to 8 teams with the 5 conference champions and 3 at large teams ---
I thought the committee would be better. Turns out, I was wrong.
Shirley, you can't be serious??? ---
The computer couldn't have screwed up this badly.

That's funny because the computers had these exact 4 teams in the playoff. Not sure what else you could ask for

http://fansided.com/2014/12/07/college- ... top-teams/

Then I stand corrected, the computers could have screwed it up just as badly.

AppSt94 · Unread post by **AppSt94** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:38 pm

I do understand that strength of schedule means something but it's hard to penalize a team for who they play. FBS schedules are put together so far in advance that it is unfair to penalize a team for playing weak teams that weren't weak when you scheduled them. I doubt that OSU scheduled Va Tech thinking they would be a 6-6 team this year. They probably scheduled Kent State and Cincy for reasons other than easy wins or a quality opponent. Take NC State for example. They scheduled a game at ODU to build a presence for recruiting the area. Again I think the process is flawed and the fact that the number 3 team handled it's business and is sitting home. That is a bigger injustice to me.

TurfMonkey · Unread post by **TurfMonkey** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:54 pm

Speaking only for me, I will watch the heck out of the playoffs.
New Year's Day is relevant again.

hapapp · Unread post by **hapapp** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:39 pm

TurfMonkey wrote:Speaking only for me, I will watch the heck out of the playoffs.
New Year's Day is relevant again.

Agreed. I'm looking forward to Jan 1 and beyond.

T-Dog · Unread post by **T-Dog** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:57 pm

College football is different every year. One year you'll have one contender and a bunch of "who loses the least" teams. This year you have six legit contenders. With so many teams and different conferences, it's difficult to tell which teams are better than others.

There is no right answer to this.

The area the committee messed up the most was releasing weekly rankings. If we didn't know TCU dropped from 3 to 6, then people wouldn't be as upset.

The Big XII along with the SEC has a motion filed to deregulate conference championship games. If it passes, the Big XII could have a CCG with only ten teams and the ACC could do away with divisions. It would also open the door for a Sun Belt Championship game as the league currently stands.

kickass143 · Unread post by **kickass143** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:26 pm

If the College Football Playoff Committee was NASCAR, they would just let Baylor and TCU in for sh*ts and giggles!

newtoasu · Unread post by **newtoasu** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:44 pm

kickass143 wrote:If the College Football Playoff Committee was NASCAR, they would just let Baylor and TCU in for sh*ts and giggles!

And Briles (Baylor) and Patterson (TCU) would be dooking it out in the tunnel!

WVAPPeer · Unread post by **WVAPPeer** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:44 am

AppSt94 wrote:I do understand that strength of schedule means something but it's hard to penalize a team for who they play. FBS schedules are put together so far in advance that it is unfair to penalize a team for playing weak teams that weren't weak when you scheduled them. I doubt that OSU scheduled Va Tech thinking they would be a 6-6 team this year. They probably scheduled Kent State and Cincy for reasons other than easy wins or a quality opponent. Take NC State for example. They scheduled a game at ODU to build a presence for recruiting the area. Again I think the process is flawed and the fact that the number 3 team handled it's business and is sitting home. That is a bigger injustice to me.

That's true 94 but I see no reason Baylor had the 3 OCC they had OTHER THAN to schedule 3 easy wins - basically the same for TCU although Minnesota turned out to be a decent team but still a middle of the pack Big 10 team - they have to live with the fact now ---

appmaj · Unread post by **appmaj** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:50 am

I keep hearing people say that TCU & Baylor didn't play anyone.

Let's talk about Alabama. OOC-WVU, FAU, Southern Miss, & Western

WVU (The best OOC win-6th in the Big 12)
SoMIss (Last in CUSA)
FAU (Next to last in CUSA)
Western (3rd in the SoCon)

Alabama should not be in the playoff let alone #1.

WVAPPeer · Unread post by **WVAPPeer** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:31 am

appmaj wrote:I keep hearing people say that TCU & Baylor didn't play anyone.

Let's talk about Alabama. OOC-WVU, FAU, Southern Miss, & Western

WVU (The best OOC win-6th in the Big 12)
SoMIss (Last in CUSA)
FAU (Next to last in CUSA)
Western (3rd in the SoCon)

Alabama should not be in the playoff let alone #1.

Show me a team that played a stronger conference schedule? - If their is a playoff and the SEC champion is not included then you don't have one of the two best teams in the country - are you serious about Alabama shouldn't even be in the playoffs??? -

Also WVU was the team Baylor lost to ---

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