Congrats

[bigdaddyg]

Based on what I read about the team before the season it was obvious that we are young pretty much across the board and overall very much inexperienced. That being said the one area of experience that I hoped to count on was the offensive line. We have been reminded repeatedly that the "games started" by this unit is the MOST in the country- repeat THE MOST!! What I have seen over the last 2 games is an undisciplined group (false start penalties) that can't block worth a crap. Ordinarily a team with an offensive line made up mostly with upperclassmen is fairly stout on offense. Not so with APP. Someone put my mind at ease by telling me that the big boys waiting in the wings are bigger, stronger, faster, smarter, etc. than the guys playing now.

[BUTCH1991]

This whole games started by offensive line is overrated. If the line isn't very good to begin with, until we get replacements, they don't magically get better because they've played in games. These same guys were bad two years ago and we're just now bringing in guys that will hopefully mature and replace them soon.

[EastHallApp]

Really think people are making too much of this whole "playing for the future" idea. I don't think it's a matter of the coaches stashing a bunch of veterans on the bench or red shirting a bunch of freshmen who would make us awesome if we'd only let them play. I think it's just an acknowledgement of where the program is right now.

The program slipped, as is painfully obvious for all to see. And we had to let some guys go who would have helped us. Pointing to the future, IMO, is more a case of simply asking for patience and realism rather than not trying to win now. I'm sure these guys are all busting their asses to win every week. Hopefully they'll start getting rewarded soon.

[WVAPPeer]

Really think people are making too much of this whole "playing for the future" idea. I don't think it's a matter of the coaches stashing a bunch of veterans on the bench or red shirting a bunch of freshmen who would make us awesome if we'd only let them play. I think it's just an acknowledgement of where the program is right now.

The program slipped, as is painfully obvious for all to see. And we had to let some guys go who would have helped us. Pointing to the future, IMO, is more a case of simply asking for patience and realism rather than not trying to win now. I'm sure these guys are all busting their asses to win every week. Hopefully they'll start getting rewarded soon.

So Easthall - would you burn a year on some freshmen in a season when we have no chance of any post-season? - we need some true freshmen out there for depth but that's it ---

[SpeedkingATL]

Keep in mind that all three losses were on the road, with the game last night played 5 days after travel to MS. Not an excuse but there is a reason home field is at least a 3 point advantage. The weird loss at USM really hurt, because if App wins that then they are 2-2 and the sky's not falling. Win at home this week and maybe this team turns things around.

[App90]

hapapp » Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:44 am
I do want to see us eradicate the same mistakes we seem to make game after game (particularly, the false starts in the red zone).

This whole games started by offensive line is overrated. If the line isn't very good to begin with, until we get replacements, they don't magically get better because they've played in games. These same guys were bad two years ago and we're just now bringing in guys that will hopefully mature and replace them soon. BUTCH1991 » September 26th, 2014, 1:08 pm


Same mistakes are being done by seasoned offensive linemen. But with that being said 5 trips into the red zone in two games has equaled 4 turnovers (1 being a blocked FG) and 30 yards in penalties. The OL didn't fumble the ball, but they seem to be struggling with false starts at critical moments. The interception last night was terrible. Why throw it when Upshaw just ripped them for 14 yards. GS just showed us how really bad this team is and how far ASU football has to go. In the coaching box and on the field....And why are we sitting our better athletes. Never mind its a strategy for the future...

[EastHallApp]

Really think people are making too much of this whole "playing for the future" idea. I don't think it's a matter of the coaches stashing a bunch of veterans on the bench or red shirting a bunch of freshmen who would make us awesome if we'd only let them play. I think it's just an acknowledgement of where the program is right now.

The program slipped, as is painfully obvious for all to see. And we had to let some guys go who would have helped us. Pointing to the future, IMO, is more a case of simply asking for patience and realism rather than not trying to win now. I'm sure these guys are all busting their asses to win every week. Hopefully they'll start getting rewarded soon.

So Easthall - would you burn a year on some freshmen in a season when we have no chance of any post-season? - we need some true freshmen out there for depth but that's it ---

No, I am saying I agree with the staff's approach. I would play freshmen if they're going to start or play a lot off the bench. If they'd only see a few plays per game, I agree with redshirting them.

[AppSt94]

Keep in mind that all three losses were on the road, with the game last night played 5 days after travel to MS. Not an excuse but there is a reason home field is at least a 3 point advantage. The weird loss at USM really hurt, because if App wins that then they are 2-2 and the sky's not falling. Win at home this week and maybe this team turns things around.

You hit the nail on the head. If we would have won last week then we would be 2-2 now. Had we won last week with the extra point and in overtime then it would have masked the problems that exist. People get to wrapped up with the win loss record. What I mean by that is that a win and everyone is happy and a loss is catastrophic and we are beyond hopeless.
Disclaimer: Not speaking of you directly.

[JTApps1]

Based on what I read about the team before the season it was obvious that we are young pretty much across the board and overall very much inexperienced. That being said the one area of experience that I hoped to count on was the offensive line. We have been reminded repeatedly that the "games started" by this unit is the MOST in the country- repeat THE MOST!! What I have seen over the last 2 games is an undisciplined group (false start penalties) that can't block worth a crap. Ordinarily a team with an offensive line made up mostly with upperclassmen is fairly stout on offense. Not so with APP. Someone put my mind at ease by telling me that the big boys waiting in the wings are bigger, stronger, faster, smarter, etc. than the guys playing now.

The problem is most of that experienced OL was never very good. We have two undersized walk-ons, a RS-Freshman, and a converted DL with limited experience that beat out experienced upperclassmen. Add in poor S&C the last 2 years and you end up with a mess. I just hope the guys red shirting this year are working their tails off in practice to be ready for next year.

[AppGrad1]

No worries.
We'll be better next year! Can't wait till next year already!

[asutrnr81]

I hear what Satt is saying but what do you want him to do....throw the kids we do have under the bus and demoralize them more.

They showed up and wanted to win. That did not happen.

We were a lot worse off than we thought with quality of talent with the move up. And that was a long time in the making. We are biting the bullet now. The Red Zone issues are those of a young team and inexperience. By homecoming the freshmen will be more sophomore than freshman and the Sophomores more Jr. than Soph. I expect us to be better every week and last night we ran up against a GSU team that did not turn the ball over with a fumble against us for the first time I can remember.

They were better, more experienced, and luckier than we were.

I like a lot of what I see.

The things I am concerned about is the kicking depth, how ferguson gets on the field with upshaw and cox as our backs, and the play calling at times.

[App1990]

Two points. One defending Satt. One defending Moore. Moving to FBS means that we should have a redshirt program. Starting one leaves an empty year. That doesn't excuse the poor results because it could have been done better (e.g., Georgia Southern), but it explains it a bit. Maybe take a few years to build a redshirt program instead of doing it all at once?

It's not Moore's fault. He recruited the best players in App history. If anything, he underperformed with the quality of kids he recruited. If there was a drop off, he still went 8-4 in his last year. The next year, with much of the same team, Satt went 4-8. And now, all the talk is about how many Fresh and Sophs we have on the roster, which means we are paling with Satt's recruits. Young, I'll give you. Redshirt for the future, OK. But blaming Moore is beyond lame.

[NewApp]

Two points. One defending Satt. One defending Moore. Moving to FBS means that we should have a redshirt program. Starting one leaves an empty year. That doesn't excuse the poor results because it could have been done better (e.g., Georgia Southern), but it explains it a bit. Maybe take a few years to build a redshirt program instead of doing it all at once?

It's not Moore's fault. He recruited the best players in App history. If anything, he underperformed with the quality of kids he recruited. If there was a drop off, he still went 8-4 in his last year. The next year, with much of the same team, Satt went 4-8. And now, all the talk is about how many Fresh and Sophs we have on the roster, which means we are paling with Satt's recruits. Young, I'll give you. Redshirt for the future, OK. But blaming Moore is beyond lame.

RP

[AppSt94]

Two points. One defending Satt. One defending Moore. Moving to FBS means that we should have a redshirt program. Starting one leaves an empty year. That doesn't excuse the poor results because it could have been done better (e.g., Georgia Southern), but it explains it a bit. Maybe take a few years to build a redshirt program instead of doing it all at once?

It's not Moore's fault. He recruited the best players in App history. If anything, he underperformed with the quality of kids he recruited. If there was a drop off, he still went 8-4 in his last year. The next year, with much of the same team, Satt went 4-8. And now, all the talk is about how many Fresh and Sophs we have on the roster, which means we are paling with Satt's recruits. Young, I'll give you. Redshirt for the future, OK. But blaming Moore is beyond lame.

The team was almost the same however there was one major difference. Moore went 8-4 with a healthy QB and a little luck. (i.e. Price's TD against Samford). Scott went 4-8 with an unhealthy QB and a backup coming off knee surgery as well and a cancer that had to be eradicated mid season.

[AppSt91]

Two points. One defending Satt. One defending Moore. Moving to FBS means that we should have a redshirt program. Starting one leaves an empty year. That doesn't excuse the poor results because it could have been done better (e.g., Georgia Southern), but it explains it a bit. Maybe take a few years to build a redshirt program instead of doing it all at once?

It's not Moore's fault. He recruited the best players in App history. If anything, he underperformed with the quality of kids he recruited. If there was a drop off, he still went 8-4 in his last year. The next year, with much of the same team, Satt went 4-8. And now, all the talk is about how many Fresh and Sophs we have on the roster, which means we are paling with Satt's recruits. Young, I'll give you. Redshirt for the future, OK. But blaming Moore is beyond lame.

The team was almost the same however there was one major difference. Moore went 8-4 with a healthy QB and a little luck. (i.e. Price's TD against Samford). Scott went 4-8 with an unhealthy QB and a backup coming off knee surgery as well and a cancer that had to be eradicated mid season.

Better lucky than good, but right now we're neither. Guess Moore had lots of luck with only 1 losing season out of 24 if I recall correctly.

[AppSt94]

Two points. One defending Satt. One defending Moore. Moving to FBS means that we should have a redshirt program. Starting one leaves an empty year. That doesn't excuse the poor results because it could have been done better (e.g., Georgia Southern), but it explains it a bit. Maybe take a few years to build a redshirt program instead of doing it all at once?

It's not Moore's fault. He recruited the best players in App history. If anything, he underperformed with the quality of kids he recruited. If there was a drop off, he still went 8-4 in his last year. The next year, with much of the same team, Satt went 4-8. And now, all the talk is about how many Fresh and Sophs we have on the roster, which means we are paling with Satt's recruits. Young, I'll give you. Redshirt for the future, OK. But blaming Moore is beyond lame.

The team was almost the same however there was one major difference. Moore went 8-4 with a healthy QB and a little luck. (i.e. Price's TD against Samford). Scott went 4-8 with an unhealthy QB and a backup coming off knee surgery as well and a cancer that had to be eradicated mid season.

Better lucky than good, but right now we're neither. Guess Moore had lots of luck with only 1 losing season out of 24 if I recall correctly.

So I provide you legitimate differences between the two seasons and you pull out my comment on lucky and make it the crux of my post. Whatever.

[YesAppCan]

Unfortunately, Moore=hot button emotions--On BOTH "sides"... Frankly, I wish the good folks here on the MMB, for the sake of putting Appalachian State University ahead of this pettiness, would just drop the "discussions" that compare Jerry to Scott and scratch the scabs right back off the wounds... Dang folks, it's time to heal and move foward!!!

[AppSt94]

Unfortunately, Moore=hot button emotions--On BOTH "sides"... Frankly, I wish the good folks here on the MMB, for the sake of putting Appalachian State University ahead of this pettiness, would just drop the "discussions" that compare Jerry to Scott and scratch the scabs right back off the wounds... Dang folks, it's time to heal and move foward!!!

I don't disagree with you on moving on but it is hard to discuss the issues of today without acknowledging the sins of the past as part of the root cause.

[App74]

Unfortunately, Moore=hot button emotions--On BOTH "sides"... Frankly, I wish the good folks here on the MMB, for the sake of putting Appalachian State University ahead of this pettiness, would just drop the "discussions" that compare Jerry to Scott and scratch the scabs right back off the wounds... Dang folks, it's time to heal and move foward!!!

I don't disagree with you on moving on but it is hard to discuss the issues of today without acknowledging the sins of the past as part of the root cause.

Putting Appalachian State first today will neutralize the past sins you speak of and discourage future ones.

Every single person associated with Appalachian, past and present, has daily opportunities to make a positive difference for Appalachian in what one says, the way one acts, in what one wears, the persona one displays, etc. That goes for current and former administrators, staff, coaches, alumni and students.

In math terms: Appalachian State > personal agendas.

[NewApp]

Two points. One defending Satt. One defending Moore. Moving to FBS means that we should have a redshirt program. Starting one leaves an empty year. That doesn't excuse the poor results because it could have been done better (e.g., Georgia Southern), but it explains it a bit. Maybe take a few years to build a redshirt program instead of doing it all at once?

It's not Moore's fault. He recruited the best players in App history. If anything, he underperformed with the quality of kids he recruited. If there was a drop off, he still went 8-4 in his last year. The next year, with much of the same team, Satt went 4-8. And now, all the talk is about how many Fresh and Sophs we have on the roster, which means we are paling with Satt's recruits. Young, I'll give you. Redshirt for the future, OK. But blaming Moore is beyond lame.

The team was almost the same however there was one major difference. Moore went 8-4 with a healthy QB and a little luck. (i.e. Price's TD against Samford). Scott went 4-8 with an unhealthy QB and a backup coming off knee surgery as well and a cancer that had to be eradicated mid season.

Better lucky than good, but right now we're neither. Guess Moore had lots of luck with only 1 losing season out of 24 if I recall correctly.

BINGO! RP