New Alternate Unis

[MountainMan]

I like 'em.


And I agree with the comment to "keep that corn-cob pipe & hillbilly head off the helmets" -- I'd suggest putting that logo in a trophy case honoring the history of App football, but don't let it ever see the field again. If football has any role in promoting the university, that image is the LAST thing we need nowadays. JMO.

[AppBandMan]

Is that white helmet on the table in the background new?

[kiddbrewer]

I like 'em.


And I agree with the comment to "keep that corn-cob pipe & hillbilly head off the helmets" -- I'd suggest putting that logo in a trophy case honoring the history of App football, but don't let it ever see the field again. If football has any role in promoting the university, that image is the LAST thing we need nowadays. JMO.

What? You don't want the long-haired, unshaven, beard down to the knees, weeks between baths, taking a swig of shine from a jug, outhouse using hillbilly image plastered in the brains of all of those across the nation who might happen to catch an App game on TV? How dare you?

I'm right there with you.

[JCline0429]

I just wish we would make a decision to go with the uni style we had through the 3Champ run and keep them going forward and establish tradition with those, keeping the gold jersey in the mix with the black and white of course.

We can't. Those were "stylish" uniforms from the early 2000s (see: Miami 2001). They look simply outdated. Not old enough to be "classic" or "traditional", too old to look good on their own.

Our uniform tradition is change. Plain and simple.

I understand what you're saying but most of the changes have more to do with logos, stripes and styles. There have been relatively few deviations in the basic uniform during the modern era. Other than 1982 when white pants (home and road) were used the only real change from gold pants with black/white tops was when Mack Brown introduced the the black helmet. Jerry Moore used a mixed bag in 1989 & 90 (gold pants with white/black tops, all black, all white and black pants white tops) before settling on all black as our standard home uniform in 1991, with black/white & white/white on the road.

I don't object an occasional deviation on special days but prefer we stick to a traditional look 99% of the time. I'm not thrilled with the Tron look of these, esp the lettering and numbers font. It seems we are trying to be like Oregon in a lot of ways.

Today's jerseys are head and shoulders above the outdated jerseys from almost a decade ago, much less when you're referring to 1989 & 1990. I think the athletic department along with nike have a pretty firm grasp on our apparel and are doing a damn good job. Looking on twitter during recruiting kids loved the facility and the uniforms. For those who interact with the generation currently playing college football, I don't think it's a bad thing in the least bit if we have an Oregon approach to uniforms. By the way our uniforms are nowhere near as flashy as oregons...unfortunately

I didn't say App's uniforms were as "flashy" as Oregon's and I'm glad they aren't. I admit to being a traditionalist. I despise all the constant change and believe all it does is blur who you are. A little change this year, a little change next year and ten years down the road you have become what the uniform company wants, not what you're supposed to be. These companies try to outshine each other in order to promote their latest fabric. Their designers have to come up with something different every couple of years. It's all part of their marketing plan to promote their products. It has nothing to do with Appalachian or any other school. We signed a deal and are at their mercy. I have a hard time allowing uniform design subject to the whims of a new coach, or in the case of App football the equipment guy. IMO, the university should develop a basic design and stick with it throughout the department. When that team is on the field or court, people should be able to instantly realize what school they represent.

Before responding please apply some common sense to my last statement. Don't go off on some tangent about App not having the national awareness to be instantly recognizable by the uniform our teams wear. Think on a regional, conference scale and not nationally.

kgfish, It's good to know that I'm not the only traditionalist on this MMB. You said what I don't have the articulateness to post.

[ASUMountaineer]

I like 'em.


And I agree with the comment to "keep that corn-cob pipe & hillbilly head off the helmets" -- I'd suggest putting that logo in a trophy case honoring the history of App football, but don't let it ever see the field again. If football has any role in promoting the university, that image is the LAST thing we need nowadays. JMO.

What? You don't want the long-haired, unshaven, beard down to the knees, weeks between baths, taking a swig of shine from a jug, outhouse using hillbilly image plastered in the brains of all of those across the nation who might happen to catch an App game on TV? How dare you?

I'm right there with you.

I don't see the problem. I heart "Victory" Yosef!

[ASUMountaineer]

We can't. Those were "stylish" uniforms from the early 2000s (see: Miami 2001). They look simply outdated. Not old enough to be "classic" or "traditional", too old to look good on their own.

Our uniform tradition is change. Plain and simple.

I understand what you're saying but most of the changes have more to do with logos, stripes and styles. There have been relatively few deviations in the basic uniform during the modern era. Other than 1982 when white pants (home and road) were used the only real change from gold pants with black/white tops was when Mack Brown introduced the the black helmet. Jerry Moore used a mixed bag in 1989 & 90 (gold pants with white/black tops, all black, all white and black pants white tops) before settling on all black as our standard home uniform in 1991, with black/white & white/white on the road.

I don't object an occasional deviation on special days but prefer we stick to a traditional look 99% of the time. I'm not thrilled with the Tron look of these, esp the lettering and numbers font. It seems we are trying to be like Oregon in a lot of ways.

Today's jerseys are head and shoulders above the outdated jerseys from almost a decade ago, much less when you're referring to 1989 & 1990. I think the athletic department along with nike have a pretty firm grasp on our apparel and are doing a damn good job. Looking on twitter during recruiting kids loved the facility and the uniforms. For those who interact with the generation currently playing college football, I don't think it's a bad thing in the least bit if we have an Oregon approach to uniforms. By the way our uniforms are nowhere near as flashy as oregons...unfortunately

I didn't say App's uniforms were as "flashy" as Oregon's and I'm glad they aren't. I admit to being a traditionalist. I despise all the constant change and believe all it does is blur who you are. A little change this year, a little change next year and ten years down the road you have become what the uniform company wants, not what you're supposed to be. These companies try to outshine each other in order to promote their latest fabric. Their designers have to come up with something different every couple of years. It's all part of their marketing plan to promote their products. It has nothing to do with Appalachian or any other school. We signed a deal and are at their mercy. I have a hard time allowing uniform design subject to the whims of a new coach, or in the case of App football the equipment guy. IMO, the university should develop a basic design and stick with it throughout the department. When that team is on the field or court, people should be able to instantly realize what school they represent.

Before responding please apply some common sense to my last statement. Don't go off on some tangent about App not having the national awareness to be instantly recognizable by the uniform our teams wear. Think on a regional, conference scale and not nationally.

kgfish, It's good to know that I'm not the only traditionalist on this MMB. You said what I don't have the articulateness to post.

I'm a traditionalist too, in that I like more simplistic unis. However, I'm trying to determine what jersey design is App State's traditional jersey design. Could you tell me which uni design is our "tradition" that is similar to Michigan, Penn State, etc.?

[Kgfish]

I like 'em.


And I agree with the comment to "keep that corn-cob pipe & hillbilly head off the helmets" -- I'd suggest putting that logo in a trophy case honoring the history of App football, but don't let it ever see the field again. If football has any role in promoting the university, that image is the LAST thing we need nowadays. JMO.

What? You don't want the long-haired, unshaven, beard down to the knees, weeks between baths, taking a swig of shine from a jug, outhouse using hillbilly image plastered in the brains of all of those across the nation who might happen to catch an App game on TV? How dare you?

I'm right there with you.

I accept and embrace our history and tradition instead of trying to hide from it. Obviously a great number of App fans do as well. Otherwise the sales of that "corn-cob pipe & hillbilly head" would not have been so great the university saw fit to reinstate it as our logo. I'm sorry it doesn't fit the cosmopolitan image you feel Appalachian "needs nowadays". Your poor attempt to ridicule the logo is demeaning and juvenile. I suppose you think he should be clean shaven, hair filled hair gel forming a point in the middle, wearing Tommy Bahama clothes and Maui Jim sunglasses, sipping a glass of Chateau Bellevue Mondotte St. Emilion 2005. Give me a break.

[bcoach]

I like 'em.


And I agree with the comment to "keep that corn-cob pipe & hillbilly head off the helmets" -- I'd suggest putting that logo in a trophy case honoring the history of App football, but don't let it ever see the field again. If football has any role in promoting the university, that image is the LAST thing we need nowadays. JMO.

What? You don't want the long-haired, unshaven, beard down to the knees, weeks between baths, taking a swig of shine from a jug, outhouse using hillbilly image plastered in the brains of all of those across the nation who might happen to catch an App game on TV? How dare you?

I'm right there with you.

I accept and embrace our history and tradition instead of trying to hide from it. Obviously a great number of App fans do as well. Otherwise the sales of that "corn-cob pipe & hillbilly head" would not have been so great the university saw fit to reinstate it as our logo. I'm sorry it doesn't fit the cosmopolitan image you feel Appalachian "needs nowadays". Your poor attempt to ridicule the logo is demeaning and juvenile. I suppose you think he should be clean shaven, hair filled hair gel forming a point in the middle, wearing Tommy Bahama clothes and Maui Jim sunglasses, sipping a glass of Chateau Bellevue Mondotte St. Emilion 2005. Give me a break.

It just depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If you are trying to establish a program on a regional level and most of the SB footprint then people will see it for what it is. If you are going for a national image which some are then it is probably not the best choice. I don't like it on the helmet as I like the block A. But the logo its self doesn't bother me. Then again I really don't give a c___ what people in Washington or California think about our football program.

[JCline0429]

I like 'em.


And I agree with the comment to "keep that corn-cob pipe & hillbilly head off the helmets" -- I'd suggest putting that logo in a trophy case honoring the history of App football, but don't let it ever see the field again. If football has any role in promoting the university, that image is the LAST thing we need nowadays. JMO.

What? You don't want the long-haired, unshaven, beard down to the knees, weeks between baths, taking a swig of shine from a jug, outhouse using hillbilly image plastered in the brains of all of those across the nation who might happen to catch an App game on TV? How dare you?

I'm right there with you.

I accept and embrace our history and tradition instead of trying to hide from it. Obviously a great number of App fans do as well. Otherwise the sales of that "corn-cob pipe & hillbilly head" would not have been so great the university saw fit to reinstate it as our logo. I'm sorry it doesn't fit the cosmopolitan image you feel Appalachian "needs nowadays". Your poor attempt to ridicule the logo is demeaning and juvenile. I suppose you think he should be clean shaven, hair filled hair gel forming a point in the middle, wearing Tommy Bahama clothes and Maui Jim sunglasses, sipping a glass of Chateau Bellevue Mondotte St. Emilion 2005. Give me a break.

It just depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If you are trying to establish a program on a regional level and most of the SB footprint then people will see it for what it is. If you are going for a national image which some are then it is probably not the best choice. I don't like it on the helmet as I like the block A. But the logo its self doesn't bother me. Then again I really don't give a c___ what people in Washington or California think about our football program.

Then again I really don't give a c___ what people in Washington or California think about our football program

I don't very much either as long as we beat them.

[Maddog1956]

I don't know the financial arrangement but if this means we save/make money on uniforms they can change them every day and at practice. We have a color scheme as long as they stay within that I'm good. If it cost money pull a JM and stay with the same uniforms forever.

[JCline0429]

I don't know the financial arrangement but if this means we save/make money on uniforms they can change them every day and at practice. We have a color scheme as long as they stay within that I'm good. If it cost money pull a JM and stay with the same uniforms forever.

JM? I seem to recall we had a bunch of alternate and throwback uniforms as well under Coach Moore.

[Appftw]

I don't mind the uniforms or even the shiny gold, but that font is no bueno. We kinda having a thing going with the capital A, so why not at least put one in our name?

[Maddog1956]

I don't know the financial arrangement but if this means we save/make money on uniforms they can change them every day and at practice. We have a color scheme as long as they stay within that I'm good. If it cost money pull a JM and stay with the same uniforms forever.

JM? I seem to recall we had a bunch of alternate and throwback uniforms as well under Coach Moore.

Sorry I didn't mean never, yes over his 20+ years he did change a few times.

I shouldn't have used "forever" (I should have known that would throw a few people off).

I was meaning to use "forever" as it's defined in Webster.

: for an endless time : for all time

: for a very long time

: at all times

I'll leave it to others to debate how many times.

[asutrnr81]

I accept and embrace our history and tradition instead of trying to hide from it. Obviously a great number of App fans do as well. Otherwise the sales of that "corn-cob pipe & hillbilly head" would not have been so great the university saw fit to reinstate it as our logo. I'm sorry it doesn't fit the cosmopolitan image you feel Appalachian "needs nowadays". Your poor attempt to ridicule the logo is demeaning and juvenile. I suppose you think he should be clean shaven, hair filled hair gel forming a point in the middle, wearing Tommy Bahama clothes and Maui Jim sunglasses, sipping a glass of Chateau Bellevue Mondotte St. Emilion 2005. Give me a break.

Dang Fish....I could not have said it better!.....Is this me really agreeing with the King Fish!

[MountainMan]

I like 'em.


And I agree with the comment to "keep that corn-cob pipe & hillbilly head off the helmets" -- I'd suggest putting that logo in a trophy case honoring the history of App football, but don't let it ever see the field again. If football has any role in promoting the university, that image is the LAST thing we need nowadays. JMO.

What? You don't want the long-haired, unshaven, beard down to the knees, weeks between baths, taking a swig of shine from a jug, outhouse using hillbilly image plastered in the brains of all of those across the nation who might happen to catch an App game on TV? How dare you?

I'm right there with you.

I accept and embrace our history and tradition instead of trying to hide from it. Obviously a great number of App fans do as well. Otherwise the sales of that "corn-cob pipe & hillbilly head" would not have been so great the university saw fit to reinstate it as our logo. I'm sorry it doesn't fit the cosmopolitan image you feel Appalachian "needs nowadays". Your poor attempt to ridicule the logo is demeaning and juvenile. I suppose you think he should be clean shaven, hair filled hair gel forming a point in the middle, wearing Tommy Bahama clothes and Maui Jim sunglasses, sipping a glass of Chateau Bellevue Mondotte St. Emilion 2005. Give me a break.

Too funny, Kgfish.
"demeaning and juvenile"? Huh? I never attempted to "ridicule" the logo; I think it had a time and place and should be remembered in the historical context of ASU football. It just should not be what we push forward as part of the image of the university. Not sure where you came up with the Tommy Bahama stuff as I never have suggested such. I do like Maui Jim sunglasses, even if I don't see them as a useful part of the logo/mascot we use. And the 2005 St. Emilion -- that's a good one; well, a good snarky comment, but not really such a great wine, as I'm sure you know. Very overhyped and overpriced. Anyway, it is just an opinion, as I originally stated. Take a chill pill, dude.

[kiddbrewer]

I like 'em.


And I agree with the comment to "keep that corn-cob pipe & hillbilly head off the helmets" -- I'd suggest putting that logo in a trophy case honoring the history of App football, but don't let it ever see the field again. If football has any role in promoting the university, that image is the LAST thing we need nowadays. JMO.

What? You don't want the long-haired, unshaven, beard down to the knees, weeks between baths, taking a swig of shine from a jug, outhouse using hillbilly image plastered in the brains of all of those across the nation who might happen to catch an App game on TV? How dare you?

I'm right there with you.

I accept and embrace our history and tradition instead of trying to hide from it. Obviously a great number of App fans do as well. Otherwise the sales of that "corn-cob pipe & hillbilly head" would not have been so great the university saw fit to reinstate it as our logo. I'm sorry it doesn't fit the cosmopolitan image you feel Appalachian "needs nowadays". Your poor attempt to ridicule the logo is demeaning and juvenile. I suppose you think he should be clean shaven, hair filled hair gel forming a point in the middle, wearing Tommy Bahama clothes and Maui Jim sunglasses, sipping a glass of Chateau Bellevue Mondotte St. Emilion 2005. Give me a break.

I fully understand the importance of the history of Appalachian State. I fully understand its purpose was to educate the residents of western North Carolina. But that was back in the day. Appalachian, although considered a regional university, has grown to much more than that. Our football team's victory versus Michigan was a very important cog in the move to a more national prominence. No matter what you want, I want, or any other member of the Appalachian family wants, Appalachian State is moving to a bigger stage, and I am not limiting that comment to a purely athletic stand point. So am I hiding from the history or tradition of Appalachian? No. I want Appalachian to move into the 21st century, where it rightfully belongs. And that corn cob pipe logo is not the logo to do that.

As to the demeaning and juvenile part, there may very well be others that agree, both inside and outside the App family. There may be some people on this board that might think that the hillbilly logo bring up those images, but they wont post it for fear of being insulted and bullied by those that tend to insult another person's opinions. Are you on one of those that tend to insult one's opinion? It seems so. Quite honestly, I could care less about your insults. They mean nothing to me.

To me, the image of Appalachian State with outsiders is very important. Since App is moving to the Sun Belt, hence a bigger national stage, I want our school and our athletic program to achieve a sense of legitimacy, nationally. We're going to have a difficult time if others are thinking outhouse, moonshine, etc.... The performance of our athletes will certainly help, but we need to retire the hillbilly logo, go with a more modern look, and give our university a chance at national legitimacy.

As to the rest of what you wrote, I don't know where to start, so I am not.

Obviously, what I wrote is all my opinion, if you don't like it, well, you just don't like it. But I will not bow down to your insults and bullying techniques, which you have successfully mastered.

[kiddbrewer]

I like 'em.


And I agree with the comment to "keep that corn-cob pipe & hillbilly head off the helmets" -- I'd suggest putting that logo in a trophy case honoring the history of App football, but don't let it ever see the field again. If football has any role in promoting the university, that image is the LAST thing we need nowadays. JMO.

What? You don't want the long-haired, unshaven, beard down to the knees, weeks between baths, taking a swig of shine from a jug, outhouse using hillbilly image plastered in the brains of all of those across the nation who might happen to catch an App game on TV? How dare you?

I'm right there with you.

I accept and embrace our history and tradition instead of trying to hide from it. Obviously a great number of App fans do as well. Otherwise the sales of that "corn-cob pipe & hillbilly head" would not have been so great the university saw fit to reinstate it as our logo. I'm sorry it doesn't fit the cosmopolitan image you feel Appalachian "needs nowadays". Your poor attempt to ridicule the logo is demeaning and juvenile. I suppose you think he should be clean shaven, hair filled hair gel forming a point in the middle, wearing Tommy Bahama clothes and Maui Jim sunglasses, sipping a glass of Chateau Bellevue Mondotte St. Emilion 2005. Give me a break.

Too funny, Kgfish.
"demeaning and juvenile"? Huh? I never attempted to "ridicule" the logo; I think it had a time and place and should be remembered in the historical context of ASU football. It just should not be what we push forward as part of the image of the university. Not sure where you came up with the Tommy Bahama stuff as I never have suggested such. I do like Maui Jim sunglasses, even if I don't see them as a useful part of the logo/mascot we use. And the 2005 St. Emilion -- that's a good one; well, a good snarky comment, but not really such a great wine, as I'm sure you know. Very overhyped and overpriced. Anyway, it is just an opinion, as I originally stated. Take a chill pill, dude.

I think he was talking to me.

[SpeedkingATL]

Actually for one game I would like to see App show up in the 2007 road uniforms............this August in Ann Arbor!

[Gonzo]

It happened. The whining on this thread has shifted to an actual conversation about wine.

[JCline0429]

It happened. The whining on this thread has shifted to an actual conversation about wine.

Better than shine?