The ASU coaching search and potential candidates to discuss

[Gonzo]

[W]hy UNCC fired him with 3 years left on his contract.

Because like their small contingent of fans, their administration has delusions of grandeur. They're outraged that they're not in the final four every year, even though they haven't made a run like that in 40 years.

[moehler]

an 83-75 record in the last 4 years of his tenure at UNCC isn't great, but, he did play in a tough conference, having said that, it obvious something was wrong, being a member in a strong conference like the A10, he should have been able to recruit better players. Also, if there was nothing wrong with his coaching and UNCC had unrealistic expectations and unjustly fired him, then why wasn't he picked up immediately for another head coaching job? You would have thought he could have got a job atleast at a smaller school. If Lutz is our coach, so be it, not a big fan but I will support him, I just hope CC asked alot of questions about his past before we hire him.

[APPARJ]

Forgot about how Lutz ended his tenure at UNCC:. Four years left on contract probably means they were still subsidizing part of his salary as an assisthttp://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4996808ant at Iowa St. and NC State? Anyone have insight into how buyout was negotiated at UNCC?

Lutz had his best years in CUSA (135-83 OA, 70-42 C) and struggled once he got into the A-10 (83-75 OA, 41-39 C). His 09-10 (last) team was supposed to be his best and they flopped to 9-7 Conference record and a 5th place finish. A overall record of 218-158 isn't exactly terrible so you wonder why UNCC fired him with 3 years left on his contract.

From what I've heard Lutz started bringing in a lot of questionable character guys towards the end via the Capel Special: JUCO Transfers.

[firemoose]

From what I've heard Lutz started bringing in a lot of questionable character guys towards the end via the Capel Special: JUCO Transfers.

Which is the absolute last thing we need unless we like the idea of not even being able to sniff at the post season for a LONG time.

[moehler]

If that is true, and he was taking some short cuts by bringing in questionable JUCO players, that to me says he knew that he couldn't recruit at the level needed to compete in the A10, that is a big red flag, if he cant recruit at UNCC, than what makes us think it will be any different in Boone?

[Niner National]

[W]hy UNCC fired him with 3 years left on his contract.

Because like their small contingent of fans, their administration has delusions of grandeur. They're outraged that they're not in the final four every year, even though they haven't made a run like that in 40 years.

Not grandeur, but making the tournament and being relevant.

We had the second highest winning percentage in CUSA when it had Cincy (when they were always top 15), Louisville, Marquette, and Memphis.

We routinely pulled in great recruits and played games of high importance on ESPN.

We were on our way to becoming one of the premier teams in the country outside a power conference and we did it the hard way; by being a consistently relevant team instead of making one miracle run to the final four like GMU or VCU. Shitting the bed in the NCAA tournament prevented us from ever really cementing that position and then 5 years of terrible recruiting and crappy performance on the court in a league with very little television presence killed all the positive momentum we had.

It was time to hit the reset button.

Lutz seemingly lost his passion for coaching temporarily. He was being left behind by schools he not only competed with, but beat. Hall of fame coaches and storied programs moved on. Then to seal things, Bruce Pearl went on a run to the Sweet 16 at Milwaukee and took the Tennessee job that many thought Lutz was a leader for.

After being an assistant for several years now, I think his passion for being a HC will be back and I think he'll be successful at App if hired. Like I said on the SBC board though, he needs to bring in new blood. He can't keep surrounding himself with his former coaches on the sidelines. I do think that if he hired Demarco Johnson or Byron Dinkins they would be successful assistants. Both were great Charlotte players and have recruiting ties in the Charlotte area. Dinkins coached Keyshawn Woods, the Charlotte commit that just won NC POY on the #1 or #2 HS team in the country. Another one of his players, James Demery, is a top 150 recruit and is headed to St Joes.

[EastHallApp]

If that is true, and he was taking some short cuts by bringing in questionable JUCO players, that to me says he knew that he couldn't recruit at the level needed to compete in the A10, that is a big red flag, if he cant recruit at UNCC, than what makes us think it will be any different in Boone?

Recruiting is relative to the competition you're playing. It's harder to recruit the talent needed to win in the A-10 than it is in the Sun Belt. One of the reasons there are plenty of coaches who win at the low- and mid-major levels but don't succeed at a high-major.

[EastHallApp]

From what I've heard Lutz started bringing in a lot of questionable character guys towards the end via the Capel Special: JUCO Transfers.

Which is the absolute last thing we need unless we like the idea of not even being able to sniff at the post season for a LONG time.

Agree on character issues, but not on JUCOs overall. That's a big way schools from non-power conferences can get talent on their roster. Same goes for transfers. The coach just has to exercise good judgment (and cut bait when it doesn't work).

[firemoose]

From what I've heard Lutz started bringing in a lot of questionable character guys towards the end via the Capel Special: JUCO Transfers.

Which is the absolute last thing we need unless we like the idea of not even being able to sniff at the post season for a LONG time.

Agree on character issues, but not on JUCOs overall. That's a big way schools from non-power conferences can get talent on their roster. Same goes for transfers. The coach just has to exercise good judgment (and cut bait when it doesn't work).

Main reason I put that section in red. We can't discount any players, from HS to JUCO's to transfers to try and right this sinking ship. I was only talking about the character players. We've had enough of that. Plenty of teams out there can and do win games with good moral players and it's time we go that direction. Not saying kids won't screw up. Just that if we know of issues coming in then they shouldn't be offered a spot on any team.

[JCline0429]

Forgot about how Lutz ended his tenure at UNCC:. Four years left on contract probably means they were still subsidizing part of his salary as an assisthttp://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4996808ant at Iowa St. and NC State? Anyone have insight into how buyout was negotiated at UNCC?

Lutz had his best years in CUSA (135-83 OA, 70-42 C) and struggled once he got into the A-10 (83-75 OA, 41-39 C). His 09-10 (last) team was supposed to be his best and they flopped to 9-7 Conference record and a 5th place finish. A overall record of 218-158 isn't exactly terrible so you wonder why UNCC fired him with 3 years left on his contract.

Answer: The Charlotte Media and high roller donors.

[moehler]

your making my point, if he couldn't improve his recruiting once they joined the Atlantic 10, recruiting against bigger, better programs, than what makes you believe he will ever be able to compete for recruits against solid mid majors such as Butler, and Daytons of the world? Bottom line to me he is a good, solid coach who will clean up the mess made by Capels, grades will improve, talent will slightly improve, few more wins every year, and he will eventually get us consistently winning 15-18 games a year, but I don't believe he will get us to the point where we, on a consistant basis gets us into the big dance, or even the NIT. If the fan base is happy with just a solid program, that gives us something to do while we are waiting for football season to start, then he is the right choice.

[goapps93]

I think the conference footprint has a lot to do with recruitability. UNCC was on the extreme Southern end of the A-10. Playing against Northern schools with little in common with your area and school is a big hurdle to the recruits in our region. I would bet that had App joined the MAC we would have seen a similar drop in our football recruiting.

[Niner National]

your making my point, if he couldn't improve his recruiting once they joined the Atlantic 10, recruiting against bigger, better programs, than what makes you believe he will ever be able to compete for recruits against solid mid majors such as Butler, and Daytons of the world? Bottom line to me he is a good, solid coach who will clean up the mess made by Capels, grades will improve, talent will slightly improve, few more wins every year, and he will eventually get us consistently winning 15-18 games a year, but I don't believe he will get us to the point where we, on a consistant basis gets us into the big dance, or even the NIT. If the fan base is happy with just a solid program, that gives us something to do while we are waiting for football season to start, then he is the right choice.

As an App fan, I'm sure you paid 0 attention to our recruiting, but Lutz/Moxley loved to target the 4 star top 100 guys. There were so many recruits that we went all in on only to lose them to an ACC or SEC school after they blew up. We never stood a chance. We only won two of those battles that I can recall. One was Phil Jones, who chose us over Indiana and a couple other big names. The other was Chris Braswell who chose us over about 5 big time programs.

We lost more recruits than I can remember to Clemson, VT, Wake, and NCSU.

Since we went all in on a lot of these guys, we didn't have backup plans or they were really bad.

I don't think Lutz would even attempt to recruit at that level in the SBC. I don't think he'd have problems signing players that are SBC caliber. You guys have a great arena and he can always point to your football support as what is possible with a winning program. Not many others in the SBC can do that.

[EastHallApp]

your making my point, if he couldn't improve his recruiting once they joined the Atlantic 10, recruiting against bigger, better programs, than what makes you believe he will ever be able to compete for recruits against solid mid majors such as Butler, and Daytons of the world? Bottom line to me he is a good, solid coach who will clean up the mess made by Capels, grades will improve, talent will slightly improve, few more wins every year, and he will eventually get us consistently winning 15-18 games a year, but I don't believe he will get us to the point where we, on a consistant basis gets us into the big dance, or even the NIT. If the fan base is happy with just a solid program, that gives us something to do while we are waiting for football season to start, then he is the right choice.

The problem with recruiting against bigger, better programs is that you also have to play against those bigger, better programs. He wouldn't need to recruit at an A-10 level to win in the Sun Belt.

[ASUMountaineer]

Can you imagine him geting into it with Charlie Cobb?

Can imagine CC's head getting so red it explodes like a tomato.
Would be worth seeing.
Doubt Lattener would take the job, and some don't like him
but he is the only player to start in four final four's ever.
Not that that has a lot to do with coaching, but could be
a good recruiter.

With people here thinking CC is arrogant, it's probably best to keep Laettner away.

Good one --- I will say that I never had a problem with Laettner's arrogance because he always delivered !!!

Yeah, not saying it's a bad thing. But, his head is bigger than a Goodyear blimp.

[JCline0429]

Can you imagine him geting into it with Charlie Cobb?

Can imagine CC's head getting so red it explodes like a tomato.
Would be worth seeing.
Doubt Lattener would take the job, and some don't like him
but he is the only player to start in four final four's ever.
Not that that has a lot to do with coaching, but could be
a good recruiter.

With people here thinking CC is arrogant, it's probably best to keep Laettner away.

Good one --- I will say that I never had a problem with Laettner's arrogance because he always delivered !!!

Yeah, not saying it's a bad thing. But, his head is bigger than a Goodyear blimp.

Have I "misremembered" (as Hillary used to say), wasn't Christian Laettner the one the Tar Heel fans used to chant cheers about him being homosexual?

[Maddog1956]

Main reason I put that section in red. We can't discount any players, from HS to JUCO's to transfers to try and right this sinking ship. I was only talking about the character players. We've had enough of that. Plenty of teams out there can and do win games with good moral players and it's time we go that direction. Not saying kids won't screw up. Just that if we know of issues coming in then they shouldn't be offered a spot on any team.

Also many times "moral" players will work hard. I don't necessarily mean "religious", just that they tend to make the right decisions in life...one of them being practice.

[newtoasu]

I'm guessing you've never been to Hounds Ears or Beech Mountain then. Nothing but old people. My great uncle retire to Beech. He's old.

Understand it could be a typo, so I am definitely not trying to bust your chops. Just trying to make sure people know that it is Hound Ears. Not Hounds Ear or Hounds Ear. Easiest way to remember is: one dog, two ears. It bothers me almost as much as hearing AppaLAYshun.

[Goapps15]

The three names I am hearing are...

Ryan Odom- Charlotte Assistant Coach
http://www.charlotte49ers.com/ViewArtic ... EASON=2013


Mike Rhoades-VCU Associate Head Men's Basketball Coach
http://vcuathletics.com/information/dir ... oades_Mike


Derrick Clark- Metro State Head Men's Basketball Coach
http://gometrostate.com/coaches.aspx?rc=345&path=mbball

This is where I again put in my vote for Rhoades.

Rhoades is at Rice..........

[newtoasu]

Didn't see this anywhere on the board, but Steve Masiello who was just named as the new USF coach after leading Manhatten to the tourney and a 60-39 record in three years, has been released from USF. It appears that his undergraduate degree from Kentucky is not actually a degree. In other words, he never graduated and none of the places he coached at until now (Tulane, Manhatten (twice) and Louisville) either checked or cared.

Manhatten has placed him on leave pending a review becuase their coaching position requires an actual degree.

Interesting development.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mens-colleg ... s-reviewed