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[ericsaid]

Couldn’t agree more. Quit taking the easy way out. Dig your heels in, practice and get better with your brothers. NFL doesn’t give those 2nd chances for borderline guys.

Hopefully our guys got better in December while others were sitting at home!

I don’t like where cfb is as much as anyone, but there’s something disgusting about the guy making $12MM a year telling the guys (mostly) making a small fraction of that to be happy with their place and not try to make more money? Would anyone agree if the CEO of wal mart said the same thing to the front line workers that make 1/10000 of what he does? I wouldn’t.


We had a chance to fix college football but when you have coaches making many times more than the university CEOs this was only ever going to lead to this.

Sorry, but I can't really agree with your perspective on this one. There's nothing "disgusting" about a coach who has paid his dues and climbed the ladder successfully advising players to do what he did. Work hard and get better. He's absolutely right. Many of the players on his roster have the opportunity to make more than he does. He's telling him what he believes to be the best path, and I agree with him 100%. Finish what you start. He's not telling them never to transfer. He's saying that December is the opportunity to get better. I really do understand your point. I personally think the money being thrown around in college sports (including coaching salaries) is obscene, but I can't blame them for taking advantage of the situation as it exists. That applies to both the coaches and the players.

Merry Christmas!

Kirby had 5 jobs in 5 years “climbing the ladder”

The players only get 5 years total. Most of them are not going to the nfl.

Kirby himself is tampering with anybody he thinks can help him next year

Position coaches work for menial wages relative to an hourly rate and are almost always on a one year contract. They are also employees of the school and not participating in extra-curricular acitivities as a part of their education. Their education is typically completed by that point.


Had the NCAA argued their case correctly, that they are comprised of non-profit membership which does not seek to profit off of players but rather acts in the public interest as educational, research, and providing athletics opportunities that individuals would otherwise not receive, they may have had a different outcome. There is a lot of legalese to this that I don’t necessarily understand but they could have taken a different defense, focusing on being non-profit and constantly reinvesting every cent back into the school, but they didn’t. It’s an educational mission, not athletic.

Furthermore, I’m not sure how you can 1099 an athlete and require that they be a student or have any eligibility criteria enforced, at all. They are employees. The fact this hasn’t been ruled on is because no one wants to rock the boat that hard yet.


Personally, if I were a lawyer, I’d fish to find someone willing to do it because then the entire system burns to the ground. Kill it off.

[AppDawg]

Position coaches work for menial wages relative to an hourly rate and are almost always on a one year contract. They are also employees of the school and not participating in extra-curricular acitivities as a part of their education. Their education is typically completed by that point.


Had the NCAA argued their case correctly, that they are comprised of non-profit membership which does not seek to profit off of players but rather acts in the public interest as educational, research, and providing athletics opportunities that individuals would otherwise not receive, they may have had a different outcome. There is a lot of legalese to this that I don’t necessarily understand but they could have taken a different defense, focusing on being non-profit and constantly reinvesting every cent back into the school, but they didn’t. It’s an educational mission, not athletic.

Furthermore, I’m not sure how you can 1099 an athlete and require that they be a student or have any eligibility criteria enforced, at all. They are employees. The fact this hasn’t been ruled on is because no one wants to rock the boat that hard yet.


Personally, if I were a lawyer, I’d fish to find someone willing to do it because then the entire system burns to the ground. Kill it off.

This is exactly why it is imperative UGA Wins their lawsuit. Best write up I have seen explaining the nuance and needle colleges and universities/NCAa have tried to thread. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... er-damages

[Yosef84]

Hey, you guys are free to hate Kirby, but there's nothing about Georgia's program that isn't true of every other elite P4. Regarding the "tampering" comment, I'd be interested what that is based on. Georgia relies less on transfers than any other team in the playoffs by a LONG shot. If App were to learn lessons from a P4 program about building and maintaining a winning culture, we could do worse than to take lessons from Georgia. I do realize that he has the advantage of being at the top of the food chain, which is difficult to duplicate at the G6 level.

Just seems that discounting the comments of the top coach in the sport just being the wage disparity is a bit of a naive position. I'm NOT calling the individual(s) naive...just the position in this instance. There is a hierarchy. There always has been and always will be. Those at the bottom are paid better than ever before (players in particular). I don't think there is any support for the concept that everyone should fit into the same template. Even the original concept of NIL had nothing to do with an equitable distribution of wealth. It has to do with the perceived value of the individual. That's the reality. It's not likely to change. Again...I'm not defending the extreme pay of head coaches (a long with the guarantees they have) these days. That's another topic and it's out of control. I'm just talking about an elite coach who make 100% correct comments about how his team should be focused in December.

[Mjohn1988]

Couldn’t agree more. Quit taking the easy way out. Dig your heels in, practice and get better with your brothers. NFL doesn’t give those 2nd chances for borderline guys.

Hopefully our guys got better in December while others were sitting at home!

I don’t like where cfb is as much as anyone, but there’s something disgusting about the guy making $12MM a year telling the guys (mostly) making a small fraction of that to be happy with their place and not try to make more money? Would anyone agree if the CEO of wal mart said the same thing to the front line workers that make 1/10000 of what he does? I wouldn’t.


We had a chance to fix college football but when you have coaches making many times more than the university CEOs this was only ever going to lead to this.

Sorry, but I can't really agree with your perspective on this one. There's nothing "disgusting" about a coach who has paid his dues and climbed the ladder successfully advising players to do what he did. Work hard and get better. He's absolutely right. Many of the players on his roster have the opportunity to make more than he does. He's telling him what he believes to be the best path, and I agree with him 100%. Finish what you start. He's not telling them never to transfer. He's saying that December is the opportunity to get better. I really do understand your point. I personally think the money being thrown around in college sports (including coaching salaries) is obscene, but I can't blame them for taking advantage of the situation as it exists. That applies to both the coaches and the players.

Merry Christmas!

Kirby had 5 jobs in 5 years “climbing the ladder”

The players only get 5 years total. Most of them are not going to the nfl.

Kirby himself is tampering with anybody he thinks can help him next year

Position coaches work for menial wages relative to an hourly rate and are almost always on a one year contract. They are also employees of the school and not participating in extra-curricular acitivities as a part of their education. Their education is typically completed by that point.


Had the NCAA argued their case correctly, that they are comprised of non-profit membership which does not seek to profit off of players but rather acts in the public interest as educational, research, and providing athletics opportunities that individuals would otherwise not receive, they may have had a different outcome. There is a lot of legalese to this that I don’t necessarily understand but they could have taken a different defense, focusing on being non-profit and constantly reinvesting every cent back into the school, but they didn’t. It’s an educational mission, not athletic.

Furthermore, I’m not sure how you can 1099 an athlete and require that they be a student or have any eligibility criteria enforced, at all. They are employees. The fact this hasn’t been ruled on is because no one wants to rock the boat that hard yet.


Personally, if I were a lawyer, I’d fish to find someone willing to do it because then the entire system burns to the ground. Kill it off.

I’m a huge college football fan but the truth is they should have been putting any profits from sports back into academics. The facilities got crazy, the coaches salaries got crazy and now we have what we have. College sports should have stayed a tool to help round out education and attract students that otherwise might not have gone to college.

[appdaze]

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[Bootsy]

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You cannot make this stuff up; we are going further and further into the looking glass.

[MrCraig]

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You cannot make this stuff up; we are going further and further into the looking glass.

Not tryna be a jerk, but high school players have been manipulating their residence in order to “transfer” for… ever. Add onto that how private schools are allowed to recruit. Honestly, college football is just catching up to what HS has been doing for a long time.

I WILL say that down here in GA, the GHSA has gotten a lot more strict with students moving schools and making them sit out a year unless they fully establish primary residence in the school district.

[T-Dog]

Yeah, for years there's been a lot of unoccupied bedrooms at aunt's and uncle's houses that happened to be in a certain school district. I personally know of one case where an assistant coach for one school followed a player home to prove they were at the wrong school. And this was way before this modern era of collegiate athletics.

[311neers]

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You cannot make this stuff up; we are going further and further into the looking glass.

Not tryna be a jerk, but high school players have been manipulating their residence in order to “transfer” for… ever. Add onto that how private schools are allowed to recruit. Honestly, college football is just catching up to what HS has been doing for a long time.

I WILL say that down here in GA, the GHSA has gotten a lot more strict with students moving schools and making them sit out a year unless they fully establish primary residence in the school district.

Guilty. But only did it due to a re-zoning of school district lines.

School district re-zoned the map.
My immediate next door neighbors went to one HS, we got re-zoned for another.
Rented an apartment (bedroom) to get back into said district of the previous zoned high school.
Got caught after 2 weeks of enrollment.
Ended up going to private school.

Shoot, Independence was doing this during their insane football run. Joe Cox lived next door to East Meck.
And yes, Private schools do “recruit”…just look at Providence Day.

[BeauFoster]

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You cannot make this stuff up; we are going further and further into the looking glass.

Not tryna be a jerk, but high school players have been manipulating their residence in order to “transfer” for… ever. Add onto that how private schools are allowed to recruit. Honestly, college football is just catching up to what HS has been doing for a long time.

I WILL say that down here in GA, the GHSA has gotten a lot more strict with students moving schools and making them sit out a year unless they fully establish primary residence in the school district.

Hough HS in Huntersville was rumored to have 25+ “transfers” this year on their state championship run. Drake Maye was supposed to be at Myers Park, but his parents “separated”, and his father moved to Huntersville. They reconciled after Drake graduated.

[BambooRdApp]

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You cannot make this stuff up; we are going further and further into the looking glass.

Not tryna be a jerk, but high school players have been manipulating their residence in order to “transfer” for… ever. Add onto that how private schools are allowed to recruit. Honestly, college football is just catching up to what HS has been doing for a long time.

I WILL say that down here in GA, the GHSA has gotten a lot more strict with students moving schools and making them sit out a year unless they fully establish primary residence in the school district.

Hough HS in Huntersville was rumored to have 25+ “transfers” this year on their state championship run. Drake Maye was supposed to be at Myers Park, but his parents “separated”, and his father moved to Huntersville. They reconciled after Drake graduated.

Raising D1 basketball, baseball and football players can be difficult on a marriage

[postalapp90]

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You cannot make this stuff up; we are going further and further into the looking glass.

Not tryna be a jerk, but high school players have been manipulating their residence in order to “transfer” for… ever. Add onto that how private schools are allowed to recruit. Honestly, college football is just catching up to what HS has been doing for a long time.

I WILL say that down here in GA, the GHSA has gotten a lot more strict with students moving schools and making them sit out a year unless they fully establish primary residence in the school district.

Hough HS in Huntersville was rumored to have 25+ “transfers” this year on their state championship run. Drake Maye was supposed to be at Myers Park, but his parents “separated”, and his father moved to Huntersville. They reconciled after Drake graduated.

Maye was at Hough his freshman year and at Myers Park his last 2 and a half hrs then enrolled early at UNC

[Cro-Magnon App]

Go back to Chip Ferguson in the early 80s.
And even further back.

[BallantyneApp]

Hey, you guys are free to hate Kirby, but there's nothing about Georgia's program that isn't true of every other elite P4. Regarding the "tampering" comment, I'd be interested what that is based on. Georgia relies less on transfers than any other team in the playoffs by a LONG shot. If App were to learn lessons from a P4 program about building and maintaining a winning culture, we could do worse than to take lessons from Georgia. I do realize that he has the advantage of being at the top of the food chain, which is difficult to duplicate at the G6 level.

Just seems that discounting the comments of the top coach in the sport just being the wage disparity is a bit of a naive position. I'm NOT calling the individual(s) naive...just the position in this instance. There is a hierarchy. There always has been and always will be. Those at the bottom are paid better than ever before (players in particular). I don't think there is any support for the concept that everyone should fit into the same template. Even the original concept of NIL had nothing to do with an equitable distribution of wealth. It has to do with the perceived value of the individual. That's the reality. It's not likely to change. Again...I'm not defending the extreme pay of head coaches (a long with the guarantees they have) these days. That's another topic and it's out of control. I'm just talking about an elite coach who make 100% correct comments about how his team should be focused in December.

1. They are relying less on the portal but still use it which is why I said he is tampering “if someone can help him” uga has all the money to get HS talent and keep it once they develop it, leading to less need in the TP.


2. Kirby is obviously a very good coach, but UGA is not a program I’d like App to emulate. They are the epitome of “lack of institutional control” and have the arrest record and dead bodies to prove it.

I’d much rather App emulate Clemson and daggone Dabo even with all his warts

[spacemonkey]

Hey, you guys are free to hate Kirby, but there's nothing about Georgia's program that isn't true of every other elite P4. Regarding the "tampering" comment, I'd be interested what that is based on. Georgia relies less on transfers than any other team in the playoffs by a LONG shot. If App were to learn lessons from a P4 program about building and maintaining a winning culture, we could do worse than to take lessons from Georgia. I do realize that he has the advantage of being at the top of the food chain, which is difficult to duplicate at the G6 level.

Just seems that discounting the comments of the top coach in the sport just being the wage disparity is a bit of a naive position. I'm NOT calling the individual(s) naive...just the position in this instance. There is a hierarchy. There always has been and always will be. Those at the bottom are paid better than ever before (players in particular). I don't think there is any support for the concept that everyone should fit into the same template. Even the original concept of NIL had nothing to do with an equitable distribution of wealth. It has to do with the perceived value of the individual. That's the reality. It's not likely to change. Again...I'm not defending the extreme pay of head coaches (a long with the guarantees they have) these days. That's another topic and it's out of control. I'm just talking about an elite coach who make 100% correct comments about how his team should be focused in December.

1. They are relying less on the portal but still use it which is why I said he is tampering “if someone can help him” uga has all the money to get HS talent and keep it once they develop it, leading to less need in the TP.


2. Kirby is obviously a very good coach, but UGA is not a program I’d like App to emulate. They are the epitome of “lack of institutional control” and have the arrest record and dead bodies to prove it.

I’d much rather App emulate Clemson and daggone Dabo even with all his warts

100% agree....stick to the moral compass as others go their way. More to AppState than winning football games. Education/training first.

[rbarthle17]

Hey, you guys are free to hate Kirby, but there's nothing about Georgia's program that isn't true of every other elite P4. Regarding the "tampering" comment, I'd be interested what that is based on. Georgia relies less on transfers than any other team in the playoffs by a LONG shot. If App were to learn lessons from a P4 program about building and maintaining a winning culture, we could do worse than to take lessons from Georgia. I do realize that he has the advantage of being at the top of the food chain, which is difficult to duplicate at the G6 level.

Just seems that discounting the comments of the top coach in the sport just being the wage disparity is a bit of a naive position. I'm NOT calling the individual(s) naive...just the position in this instance. There is a hierarchy. There always has been and always will be. Those at the bottom are paid better than ever before (players in particular). I don't think there is any support for the concept that everyone should fit into the same template. Even the original concept of NIL had nothing to do with an equitable distribution of wealth. It has to do with the perceived value of the individual. That's the reality. It's not likely to change. Again...I'm not defending the extreme pay of head coaches (a long with the guarantees they have) these days. That's another topic and it's out of control. I'm just talking about an elite coach who make 100% correct comments about how his team should be focused in December.

If by "difficult", you mean "impossible" then you are onto something. It is apples to oranges comparing Georgia to any G6 school, and also apples and oranges comparing Georgia to quite a few P4 schools as well.

What 17-22 year old is going to want to stick around in Boone for 5 years in this environment? One that is not good enough to warrant ever getting bought by a P4 school, or one that finally blossoms in that final year (which will be a tiny percentage). Regardless, these are kids who will see us as their ceiling. That doesn't translate into much better than 6-6 seasons at best case.

Kirby has had how many years coaching to "pay his dues"? Way more than 5. These kids are getting shots at difference-making money, even if it's just the ability to build some kind of foundation for their post football lives after college. It is selfish and irresponsible for us to tell them to decline that opportunity offered elsewhere if we cannot at least match it.

So yeah, count me in the "shut up, Kirby" group until things change in the environment of college football as a whole.

[Bootsy]

All of you make valid points, yet none make me feel better about the current state/future prospects of G6 football.

[rbarthle17]

All of you make valid points, yet none make me feel better about the current state/future prospects of G6 football.

You shouldn't feel good about it. The "successful" program at our level is going to be the one the embraces the new normal and makes the most of it.

Nevada has the right idea. Pitch to the kids that need the opportunity to showcase and improve that you are the right ones to help them grow until they are ready for the P2 programs to come calling. Then go out and actually make good on your part of it and become that developmental program that becomes a mid-path destination for that second level talent to blossom at and move on.

That's who we are now. We do the player development and become basically a juco for the p2.

[appst89]

JMU’s entire starting 22 and most of the 2s on the depth chart is in the portal. It’s just the world we live in now.

[ASUTodd]

JMU’s entire starting 22 and most of the 2s on the depth chart is in the portal. It’s just the world we live in now.

UCLA here we come!! lol The Beverly HIllbilys! So they loaded up the truck and moved to UCLA....