No tailgate spots for students this season

[T-Dog]

Seen it online. Not happy. Students are what makes the App State gameday experience special. And they wonder why only 3% of students turn into donors post graduation.

[AppStateNews]

Seen it online. Not happy. Students are what makes the App State gameday experience special. And they wonder why only 3% of students turn into donors post graduation.

It's a bummer for sure, but it's not a permanent thing. Also, there's things in the works to give them a tailgate spot still -- just may not be a park and play kind of set up.

This is not the reason they don't donated after graduation. This is the first time something like this has happened (that I know of at least) outside of taking away spots from students in Raley/Peacock and they weren't donating before. Surely, it's not going to help build the desire for these set of students, but in the long run (again, it's temporary) it'll benefit the department as a whole tremendously. Also, students were given this as a potential option for the past 2 season. It shouldn't have snuck up on them.

And, if they did any kind of clean up after their tailgate, this may not have happened... It costs more to clean the student half of peacock and the student section in the stadium than it does to clean every other tailgate lot and section in the stadium combined...

Again, it's temporary. It's not permanent.

[BambooRdApp]

Seen it online. Not happy. Students are what makes the App State gameday experience special. And they wonder why only 3% of students turn into donors post graduation.

This is the dumbest policy decision ever if there is truly no taligating area for students...if you lose the atmosphere, you eventually lose the interest....

[J_Mountaineers]

This sucks for students but hopefully it starts a new tradition. Sanford Mall and the new quad on west campus are prime locations for a grove style setup if they’ll let it happen.

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

Seen it online. Not happy. Students are what makes the App State gameday experience special. And they wonder why only 3% of students turn into donors post graduation.

It's a bummer for sure, but it's not a permanent thing. Also, there's things in the works to give them a tailgate spot still -- just may not be a park and play kind of set up.

This is not the reason they don't donated after graduation. This is the first time something like this has happened (that I know of at least) outside of taking away spots from students in Raley/Peacock and they weren't donating before. Surely, it's not going to help build the desire for these set of students, but in the long run (again, it's temporary) it'll benefit the department as a whole tremendously. Also, students were given this as a potential option for the past 2 season. It shouldn't have snuck up on them.

And, if they did any kind of clean up after their tailgate, this may not have happened... It costs more to clean the student half of peacock and the student section in the stadium than it does to clean every other tailgate lot and section in the stadium combined...

Again, it's temporary. It's not permanent.

What's the purpose of doing something like this temporarily, and would it really have been prevented if they cleaned up after themselves?

Even after the temporary pause, I don't think the clean up efforts will improve, at least not by those creating the mess.

[AppStateNews]

This sucks for students but hopefully it starts a new tradition. Sanford Mall and the new quad on west campus are prime locations for a grove style setup if they’ll let it happen.

That is one of the options being discussed by the university. Athletic department is also discussing other options.

[AppStateNews]

Seen it online. Not happy. Students are what makes the App State gameday experience special. And they wonder why only 3% of students turn into donors post graduation.

It's a bummer for sure, but it's not a permanent thing. Also, there's things in the works to give them a tailgate spot still -- just may not be a park and play kind of set up.

This is not the reason they don't donated after graduation. This is the first time something like this has happened (that I know of at least) outside of taking away spots from students in Raley/Peacock and they weren't donating before. Surely, it's not going to help build the desire for these set of students, but in the long run (again, it's temporary) it'll benefit the department as a whole tremendously. Also, students were given this as a potential option for the past 2 season. It shouldn't have snuck up on them.

And, if they did any kind of clean up after their tailgate, this may not have happened... It costs more to clean the student half of peacock and the student section in the stadium than it does to clean every other tailgate lot and section in the stadium combined...

Again, it's temporary. It's not permanent.

What's the purpose of doing something like this temporarily, and would it really have been prevented if they cleaned up after themselves?

Even after the temporary pause, I don't think the clean up efforts will improve, at least not by those creating the mess.

No, the clean up issue was more tongue in cheek. Perhaps, other options might be available to them if they did clean up, but that's not the case. I know of at least one location that was given an immediate veto due to the mess -- I'm sure there are more. It's nothing that is specific to App. It's every student section at every college football game.

It's due to the lack of spaces for Yosef Club donors because of the construction. And maybe construction to peacock Hall/lot? Not sure if that's starting now...

[Saint3333]

For the games I can’t make I might call the athletic office and give my parking pass to a student based on “points”. Do they track those for students?

[appstate24]

I’m sorry, but this is an absolutely terrible decision. Terrible, terrible decision. I honestly thought it was a joke at first. I’m sure there are plenty of “reasons” but none of them will fly. Our students deserve better, they have been incredible for years. We pride ourselves on our student section and involvement, and then come up with this??

Hopefully the atmosphere and electricity doesn’t suffer, but I feel certain it will.

Again, terrible decision.

GO APPS!!

[AppSt94]

We are already in a bad spot with the availability of parking. Lots closing only made a bad problem worse and tough decisions were made. It sucks for sure. But as it has been said. It is temporary. Life is about adapting to change or forever be stuck.

[BallantyneApp]

How many spots did students get? The optics are worse than the reality. Imo turning Sanford mall or the west side quad into a huge tailgate zone if they can figure out the transportation thing might be even better than old raley lot tailgate which was >>>>>>>

[kornegaylw]

Why don't recent grads donate?
1. They're all paying off student loan debt
2. They make very little money...and with the ever rising cost of living and stagnant wage growth donating to the Yosef Club is not near the top of the list of priorities.

Hear me Boomers...pay the young people

3. Its not well marketed to anyone that donating, even a little, will help.

I know the Yosef Club is still operated by the University and therefore is restricted in how it can operate but if they would market at a grass roots level on social media to the younger graduates I'm sure you'd see a swell of $5, $10, $20 donations...."Donate a dollar for evey firstdown, $5 for a sack, $10 touchdown, $15 for a turnover"

Oh and don't ask the current undergrads for money. They don't have any and thats just classless.

[ASUFan4863]

I know I’m going to get bashed but I’ll say it anyways. I swear I’m not just being an asshole.

Yosef club members (season ticket holders) deserve a parking spot over students. Especially if you met the requirements to get a spot this season. There are YC members who have gave thousands for several years being affected this season. They should get priority over students. It sounds like there will be someone tailgating areas allowed for students and students will make their own spots too if we’re being honest. It won’t be the same and it does suck, but it’s the right decision given the circumstances. There was going to be a parking desk there anyways so everyone was going to be mad in 2023 or 2024 or 2025, etc..

[appdaze]

Why don't recent grads donate?
1. They're all paying off student loan debt
2. They make very little money...and with the ever rising cost of living and stagnant wage growth donating to the Yosef Club is not near the top of the list of priorities.

Hear me Boomers...pay the young people

3. Its not well marketed to anyone that donating, even a little, will help.

I know the Yosef Club is still operated by the University and therefore is restricted in how it can operate but if they would market at a grass roots level on social media to the younger graduates I'm sure you'd see a swell of $5, $10, $20 donations...."Donate a dollar for evey firstdown, $5 for a sack, $10 touchdown, $15 for a turnover"

Oh and don't ask the current undergrads for money. They don't have any and thats just classless.

On average about half graduate in debt. Donating to App has nothing to do with the current wage issue. Its been an issue for decades. The issue is that my guess about 70% of app students graduate and never look back. They go back to their home cities and root for the blue bloods or maybe home is a different state. App being in the tiny town of Boone absolutely kills its ability to have a large donor population. Lots of stats out there show that universities in larger cities have larger donor bases because the graduates stick around after graduation. The college becomes more of their life and a bigger sense of pride. 99% of App grads do not live in Boone.

I'm not a Boomer. I'm probably half the age of that old West Virginian fart that passes through here. I made a decision to work my way through App and came out debt free. It is possible even with today's prices. It is a matter of personal choice. Sit back and let the debt pile up while you frolick around or bust your butt and work your way through. I promise you can still have a social life.

The Yosef Club is active on social media. The problem is that we go back to my previous answer that so many App grads never look back that they won't even follow our social media to see it. They just don't care.

Student Yosef club
https://twitter.com/studentyosef?lang=en

https://www.instagram.com/studentyosefclub/

https://www.tiktok.com/@student_yosef_c ... vu4YI&_r=1

https://www.facebook.com/StudentYosef/


Now about App students not having any money.

"The median family income of a student from Appalachian State is $107,500, and 49% come from the top 20 percent. Less than 1% of students at Appalachian State came from a poor family but became a rich adult."

from top 1% 1.7%
...from top 5% 12%
...from top 10% 28%
...from top 20% 49%
...from bottom 20% 3.3%

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/pro ... ch%20adult.

[Howard Street Hooligan]

Why don't recent grads donate?
1. They're all paying off student loan debt
2. They make very little money...and with the ever rising cost of living and stagnant wage growth donating to the Yosef Club is not near the top of the list of priorities.

Hear me Boomers...pay the young people

3. Its not well marketed to anyone that donating, even a little, will help.

I know the Yosef Club is still operated by the University and therefore is restricted in how it can operate but if they would market at a grass roots level on social media to the younger graduates I'm sure you'd see a swell of $5, $10, $20 donations...."Donate a dollar for evey firstdown, $5 for a sack, $10 touchdown, $15 for a turnover"

Oh and don't ask the current undergrads for money. They don't have any and thats just classless.

On average about half graduate in debt. Donating to App has nothing to do with the current wage issue. Its been an issue for decades. The issue is that my guess about 70% of app students graduate and never look back. They go back to their home cities and root for the blue bloods or maybe home is a different state. App being in the tiny town of Boone absolutely kills its ability to have a large donor population. Lots of stats out there show that universities in larger cities have larger donor bases because the graduates stick around after graduation. The college becomes more of their life and a bigger sense of pride. 99% of App grads do not live in Boone.

I'm not a Boomer. I'm probably half the age of that old West Virginian fart that passes through here. I made a decision to work my way through App and came out debt free. It is possible even with today's prices. It is a matter of personal choice. Sit back and let the debt pile up while you frolick around or bust your butt and work your way through. I promise you can still have a social life.

The Yosef Club is active on social media. The problem is that we go back to my previous answer that so many App grads never look back that they won't even follow our social media to see it. They just don't care.

Student Yosef club
https://twitter.com/studentyosef?lang=en

https://www.instagram.com/studentyosefclub/

https://www.tiktok.com/@student_yosef_c ... vu4YI&_r=1

https://www.facebook.com/StudentYosef/


Now about App students not having any money.

"The median family income of a student from Appalachian State is $107,500, and 49% come from the top 20 percent. Less than 1% of students at Appalachian State came from a poor family but became a rich adult."

from top 1% 1.7%
...from top 5% 12%
...from top 10% 28%
...from top 20% 49%
...from bottom 20% 3.3%

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/pro ... ch%20adult.

A whole hell of a lot easier to work your way through in your day than now. I worked and got scholarships and graduated in 2013 and still came out with debt.

[VNova]

Why don't recent grads donate?
1. They're all paying off student loan debt
2. They make very little money...and with the ever rising cost of living and stagnant wage growth donating to the Yosef Club is not near the top of the list of priorities.

Hear me Boomers...pay the young people

3. Its not well marketed to anyone that donating, even a little, will help.

I know the Yosef Club is still operated by the University and therefore is restricted in how it can operate but if they would market at a grass roots level on social media to the younger graduates I'm sure you'd see a swell of $5, $10, $20 donations...."Donate a dollar for evey firstdown, $5 for a sack, $10 touchdown, $15 for a turnover"

Oh and don't ask the current undergrads for money. They don't have any and thats just classless.

On average about half graduate in debt. Donating to App has nothing to do with the current wage issue. Its been an issue for decades. The issue is that my guess about 70% of app students graduate and never look back. They go back to their home cities and root for the blue bloods or maybe home is a different state. App being in the tiny town of Boone absolutely kills its ability to have a large donor population. Lots of stats out there show that universities in larger cities have larger donor bases because the graduates stick around after graduation. The college becomes more of their life and a bigger sense of pride. 99% of App grads do not live in Boone.

I'm not a Boomer. I'm probably half the age of that old West Virginian fart that passes through here. I made a decision to work my way through App and came out debt free. It is possible even with today's prices. It is a matter of personal choice. Sit back and let the debt pile up while you frolick around or bust your butt and work your way through. I promise you can still have a social life.

The Yosef Club is active on social media. The problem is that we go back to my previous answer that so many App grads never look back that they won't even follow our social media to see it. They just don't care.

Student Yosef club
https://twitter.com/studentyosef?lang=en

https://www.instagram.com/studentyosefclub/

https://www.tiktok.com/@student_yosef_c ... vu4YI&_r=1

https://www.facebook.com/StudentYosef/


Now about App students not having any money.

"The median family income of a student from Appalachian State is $107,500, and 49% come from the top 20 percent. Less than 1% of students at Appalachian State came from a poor family but became a rich adult."

from top 1% 1.7%
...from top 5% 12%
...from top 10% 28%
...from top 20% 49%
...from bottom 20% 3.3%

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/pro ... ch%20adult.

A whole hell of a lot easier to work your way through in your day than now. I worked and got scholarships and graduated in 2013 and still came out with debt.

Same here, in 2014. "Work your way through college" hasn't been a thing this century. App State is still a fantastic bargain, but the average student is still graduating with an average $10k in debt. However, kudos to App for continually pushing to lessen that debt load: https://www.appstate.edu/appalachians-f ... ce-metrics. Working can help, but the minimum wage in NC is the same as it was when I attended App in the early 10's, it's just not enough.

[smokeshow]

Couldn't be happier with the decision to bounce students there was a large demand for these parking spots in a premium lot where YC could really make some money. The Lot looked like a bomb went off after games bc students never cleaned up after themselves. I know for a fact the whole lottery thing was a joke. New grads were coming back and getting tailgate spots that were part of that lottery I witnessed that first hand on many occasions. This doesn't take away from the GameDay atmosphere if anything it improves it.

If anything it teaches kids if you want to tailgate like this for home games in the future you should start giving early no matter what it costs. App benefits as a yosef club member have been a bargain for years. We are trying to step up and play for with the big boys and if that means bouncing some small percentage of students out of tailgating spots for higher donating alumni than so be it. Call me a boomer but I graduated in 14' the folks who will be paying to come back to games after graduation are the ones standing in line to get in early for the best seats they don't have time to tailgate.

[311neers]

We’ve got a loud and obnoxious certain few students on the internet, maybe deservingly so, but my goodness they are quite annoying. Bashing the University/players every chance they get when they don’t agree with a decision. Some UncCheat type of behavior. They’ll whine and moan about anything.

[ArmantiWaterSafety]

I always try to keep my perception as a student of what the Yosef Club was (I graduated in '14)

Yosef Club in my 18-23 year old mind:
1) No idea.
2) No idea what people donated to get in the lots
3) No idea what people donated to get into seats, I just figured the people in "those yellow seats on the 50" donated a lot

I literally had zero idea what Yosef Club was until 4 years after graduation when I finally got everything paid off and had enough money that I thought I could swing season tickets.

I don't think this decision will sway students one way or another in joining Yosef, I think their love of watching App football games will.

That said, I still think a contingency plan should have been laid out before sending that announcement. If they said hey you can't tailgate in Raley anymore but you can in Sanford Mall, I think most would have been ok with it. My concern as a student would be the fact that when I was there, if you were caught with an open container anywhere other than your lot, you were ticketed and I felt we were always being watched, which we were, because the undercover ALE officers were not very well undercover. I don't know how it works now.

[AppSt94]

When they blew up the stadium lot to put up much needed new dorms. Students lost the Duck Pond field for the sake of progress. They adjusted. Now they are being displaced again for the sake of progress. And again they will adjust. It sucks but life isn’t always fair. If your biggest issue in your life is finding somewhere else to drink and hang out, then you lead a very envious life.