Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs

[AppFan11]

Appnews, I like your posts. We disagree. There are no magic plays... I believe this was a personnel and execution problem not a play design problem. I respect your opinion.

[PhillyApp1]

As a former coach(yes of a different sport but this applies to all) when you lose multiple personnel at the same position and this occurs at multiple position groups on the same side of the ball, you will experience inconsistent play from those positions and this will make that side of the ball inconsistent. This occurred to the WR group throughout most of this season as well as the TE group and to a lesser degree the RB. From a coaching perspective, you can only do with what you have...... the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th team guys while showing promise are not starters for a reason. This is not to say that they won’t be starters in the future, but right now they are/were not ready. Contrary to what some people think, there is only so much you can do “to hide” them. Opposing teams figured this out pretty early and when we went up against a team that could slow down our run game, they exposed our inconsistencies with the passing game, particularly when Virgil and Henni were not playing or not close to 100%. Hypothetically, Horn and Wells get open 1-5 routes and when Zac goes back, looks at his reads and he’s thinking is this the one time they’re open or is it the 80% they are not, he looks and takes a sack. Again this is a hypothetical example. It is my opinion that it is far less the OC’s fault than it is the multitudes of injuries we had on the same side of the ball that made us inconsistent throwing the ball effectively when Virgil and Henni were not up to speed. Put a different way, if a team loses its number one, number two and number three WR’s.... would you think that team would’ve successful throwing the ball over a season? Heck no. Do Championship teams incur the type of injuries we did ? Nope. Do I like that ... nope. Just how the ball bounces. Imagine CC losing their top 2 WR’s an top RB..... do you think they’d be 10-0..... say it with me.....Nope. I’d also say a new OC is not blameless either but just much less than the injuries.

Tony Peterson, is that you?

You have become a Philly guy..... nice

[PhillyApp1]

Why don’t we use more misdirection,slants, and hurry up offense.....especially in 4th quarter?
How come our red zone offense is brutal to watch?

I know many of you ex-coaches have sympathy for Peterson BUT his history is becoming our present and recent past.... I find it amazing how his past follows him from coaching staff to coaching staff

I also believe he is well liked by staff and administration.

The offensive results over 10 games scare me.... I am praying for help, healing, mercy

[AppFan11]

Look I agree there were/are some things we can do schematically to change things up. I would like to see more misdirection, I would also like to see us play with way more tempo during the game.... even in the red zone. While I believe it would help and maybe lead to some more scores, it would not in my opinion substitute for our first team guys playing more.

[NavyApp]

As a former coach(yes of a different sport but this applies to all) when you lose multiple personnel at the same position and this occurs at multiple position groups on the same side of the ball, you will experience inconsistent play from those positions and this will make that side of the ball inconsistent. This occurred to the WR group throughout most of this season as well as the TE group and to a lesser degree the RB. From a coaching perspective, you can only do with what you have...... the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th team guys while showing promise are not starters for a reason. This is not to say that they won’t be starters in the future, but right now they are/were not ready. Contrary to what some people think, there is only so much you can do “to hide” them. Opposing teams figured this out pretty early and when we went up against a team that could slow down our run game, they exposed our inconsistencies with the passing game, particularly when Virgil and Henni were not playing or not close to 100%. Hypothetically, Horn and Wells get open 1-5 routes and when Zac goes back, looks at his reads and he’s thinking is this the one time they’re open or is it the 80% they are not, he looks and takes a sack. Again this is a hypothetical example. It is my opinion that it is far less the OC’s fault than it is the multitudes of injuries we had on the same side of the ball that made us inconsistent throwing the ball effectively when Virgil and Henni were not up to speed. Put a different way, if a team loses its number one, number two and number three WR’s.... would you think that team would’ve successful throwing the ball over a season? Heck no. Do Championship teams incur the type of injuries we did ? Nope. Do I like that ... nope. Just how the ball bounces. Imagine CC losing their top 2 WR’s an top RB..... do you think they’d be 10-0..... say it with me.....Nope. I’d also say a new OC is not blameless either but just much less than the injuries.

You are so correct --- too many on here are so anxious to attach blame they do not understand the huge difference between reasons and excuses - they think any reason given is an excuse - Not so ---

The other side of that coin is I have not seen a single REASON as to the lack of development or inventiveness of the offensive side of the ball this entire year. Why is that? We have ball players at every single position, and the most important position has been relatively healthy the entire year. What is the REASON for our head in the sand offense? Someone please explain to me how running into 8 man fronts ad nauseum makes sense, especially WHEN ITS NOT WORKING!?!? Listen I'm not calling for the man's job, I'm calling for him to DO HIS DAMN JOB! FIGURE IT OUT! That's why he is here, if we experience the same lackluster uninspired offense next year under TP then I will be saying he has to go. But what has he proven during his time on the mountain? NOT A DAMN THING, that's what. You don't have to have coa he'd anything to see that clear as day.

[WVAPPeer]

Come on my friend - NavyApp - there have been numerous posts citing perceived reasons (not excuses) for some of the problems we have faced - I am not sure any of us on the outside can add anything to that -
And just for the record (not pointing to you) - I have not made one comment this entire season in support of Coach Peterson - yes, we have had offensive problems, however without knowing all the inside info I also will not place all the blame on him either ---

Anchors Aweigh --- Go Navy !!!

[NavyApp]

Come on my friend - NavyApp - there have been numerous posts citing perceived reasons (not excuses) for some of the problems we have faced - I am not sure any of us on the outside can add anything to that -
And just for the record (not pointing to you) - I have not made one comment this entire season in support of Coach Peterson - yes, we have had offensive problems, however without knowing all the inside info I also will not place all the blame on him either ---

Anchors Aweigh --- Go Navy !!!

Nor have I placed all the blame on the man. But the play caller is in fact responsible for the plays that are called. This year the play calling has been bad, especially bad when the game is on the line. Whose doorstep should I leave that criticism then?

[Stonewall]

Shawn

[NavyApp]

Shawn

For:
Hiring Petersen?
Not taking the play calling duties from him?
Not firing Petersen mid season?

[mike87]

Free Zac Thomas!

Let him out of the pocked and run him. QB room is deepest room we have now so what's to lose?

[MrCraig]

This board may implode next year once we lose 4 starting OL, 3 WRs, and our QB?

Therefore, what may we expect next season? 4-7, 5-6 or worse? If so, you're correct this board will implode.

If App goes 4-7 next season with the highest ranked recruiting class ever, this board SHOULD implode and Tony Peterson, and probably Shawn Clark, should absolutely be fired.

[Saint3333]

The current year recruiting class probably doesn't have that large of an impact, but the two prior to this were very solid, the level of talent coaches have had to develop this last two years preparing for 2021 hasn't taken a step back by any means.

[Blackshirt68]

And the schedule isn’t getting easier (save Elon) until we get in conference play next season.

[The Rock]

This board may implode next year once we lose 4 starting OL, 3 WRs, and our QB?

Therefore, what may we expect next season? 4-7, 5-6 or worse? If so, you're correct this board will implode.

If App goes 4-7 next season with the highest ranked recruiting class ever, this board SHOULD implode and Tony Peterson, and probably Shawn Clark, should absolutely be fired.

So we aren’t giving time to develop talent any more? Every player we sign next week is expected to come in with the skill, knowledge and body type to not
only compete, but win immediately?
I guess that’s why satterfield went undefeated his first 2 seasons as HC??

[appvette]

I posted this over on the BGP 333 group and thought you all might be interested in seeing it.

Tony Petersen was offensive coordinator at 3 peer G5 schools from 2010 - 2018. He spent 3 years each at Marshall (2010-2012), LA Tech (2013-2015), and ECU (2016-2018). I looked up the teams' Points Per Game during his tenure at each as well as the 2 years prior and 2 years after the TP era to see how he affected each program.

1. At all 3 places, PPG dropped the year he joined and then rose the year after he left.

2. The average PPG at all three schools during his tenure was 28.33 whereas the average in the 2 years prior and 2 years after was 33.76.

3. Our PPG has gone 33, 37, 39, 32 with that last one being this year. That's not a terrible number but it is obviously a drop from our average of 35 PPG since 2015.

Riley was our #1 choice for OC but was stolen away by SMU. I'll let you be the judge on TP's performance before and during his tenure at App.

Your post was interesting so I thought I'd take a look at the numbers myself. What I found was not exactly as bad as it seemed. I looked at the 3 years prior to his arrival to have an equal time frame, but did not look at what happened after he left. Here are the actual numbers (rounded) for each school.

Marshall- 2007: YPG 413 PPG 25, 2008: YPG 330 PPG 21, 2009: YPG 349 PPG 22; 3 Year Avg YPG 364 PPG 23
2010: YPG 342 PPG 21, 2011: YPG 333 PPG 22, 2012: YPG 534 PPG 41; 3 Year Avg YPG 403 PPG 28

So at Marshall the offense actually improved under Peterson compared to the 3 years prior.

LA Tech- 2010: YPG 390 PPG 27, 2011: YPG 395 PPG 30, 2012: YPG 578 PPG 52; 3 Year Avg YPG 454 PPG 36
2013: YPG 366 PPG 19, 2014: YPG 407 PPG 36, 2015: YPG 483 PPG 38; 3 Year Avg YPG 419 PPG 31

The big year in 2012 really eschews the prior numbers here to show a drop. I looked at 2009 and that was similar to 2010 and 2011. Not sure what happened for them in 2012 but it was drastically different from the previous years. Otherwise they improved each year.

ECU- 2013: YPG 468 PPG 40, 2014: YPG 533 PPG 36, 2015: YPG 415 PPG 27; 3 Year Avg YPG 472 PPG 34
2016: YPG 467 PPG 27, 2017: YPG 426 PPG 25, 2018: YPG 414 PPG 23; 3 Year Avg YPG 436 PPG 25

His time at ECU was bad no question about it. It is interesting that he actually improved the offense in 2016 compared to 2015 (which was a steep decline from the prior two years), but their performance did decline the following two years.

You seem to be dismissing an outlier that makes him look bad (2012 LA Tech) but not the one that makes him look good (Marshall 2012). He went 21, 22, then 41 when he had Rakeem Cato who had Heisman hype.

Why not include years after he left? I truly feel that looking at the 2 years before and 2 years after gives a more accurate view of how he affected each program.

[trjinc@triad.rr.com]

I have to disagree with those that says its personnel. We have the best personnel we have ever had!
We have been out coached in every game we have lost.

Every spread offense runs RPOs. We might do it once every 5 games. Also, at Marshall, they had 8 in the box in the first half. He continuously ran the ball off 2 and 3 gaps with 0 yardage. In the second half we made no adjustments until it was too late. 10 min left in game.

Also the ex coach mentioned personnel. Well, Zack is the World's worst at deciding who he is going to be throwing to before he has the ball. If that guy isn't open, then he won't throw it away and takes a sack or throws a pick. He did that at Coastal with the second pick when he could have ran and thrown a 5 yd pass to the TE.

This all comes down to coaching. We have the worst assts I have ever seen. I have never seen us give away all three loses the way we did this year. Eliah or Scott would be undefeated with this talent.

As for the defense, this crew has played good enough to win every game despite our DC. We never blitz, especially at Marshall that had a Freshman QB. Because we didn't, he stood back there and had a good game. We should have taken it to him. We have the best two corners, bringem!!!

This team plays with no heart or emotion! Thats coaching! If our coach can't get our players up, then he needs to go too! We better best GSU Sat! If we don't, there needs to be Assts heads roll!

[JTApps1]

I posted this over on the BGP 333 group and thought you all might be interested in seeing it.

Tony Petersen was offensive coordinator at 3 peer G5 schools from 2010 - 2018. He spent 3 years each at Marshall (2010-2012), LA Tech (2013-2015), and ECU (2016-2018). I looked up the teams' Points Per Game during his tenure at each as well as the 2 years prior and 2 years after the TP era to see how he affected each program.

1. At all 3 places, PPG dropped the year he joined and then rose the year after he left.

2. The average PPG at all three schools during his tenure was 28.33 whereas the average in the 2 years prior and 2 years after was 33.76.

3. Our PPG has gone 33, 37, 39, 32 with that last one being this year. That's not a terrible number but it is obviously a drop from our average of 35 PPG since 2015.

Riley was our #1 choice for OC but was stolen away by SMU. I'll let you be the judge on TP's performance before and during his tenure at App.

Your post was interesting so I thought I'd take a look at the numbers myself. What I found was not exactly as bad as it seemed. I looked at the 3 years prior to his arrival to have an equal time frame, but did not look at what happened after he left. Here are the actual numbers (rounded) for each school.

Marshall- 2007: YPG 413 PPG 25, 2008: YPG 330 PPG 21, 2009: YPG 349 PPG 22; 3 Year Avg YPG 364 PPG 23
2010: YPG 342 PPG 21, 2011: YPG 333 PPG 22, 2012: YPG 534 PPG 41; 3 Year Avg YPG 403 PPG 28

So at Marshall the offense actually improved under Peterson compared to the 3 years prior.

LA Tech- 2010: YPG 390 PPG 27, 2011: YPG 395 PPG 30, 2012: YPG 578 PPG 52; 3 Year Avg YPG 454 PPG 36
2013: YPG 366 PPG 19, 2014: YPG 407 PPG 36, 2015: YPG 483 PPG 38; 3 Year Avg YPG 419 PPG 31

The big year in 2012 really eschews the prior numbers here to show a drop. I looked at 2009 and that was similar to 2010 and 2011. Not sure what happened for them in 2012 but it was drastically different from the previous years. Otherwise they improved each year.

ECU- 2013: YPG 468 PPG 40, 2014: YPG 533 PPG 36, 2015: YPG 415 PPG 27; 3 Year Avg YPG 472 PPG 34
2016: YPG 467 PPG 27, 2017: YPG 426 PPG 25, 2018: YPG 414 PPG 23; 3 Year Avg YPG 436 PPG 25

His time at ECU was bad no question about it. It is interesting that he actually improved the offense in 2016 compared to 2015 (which was a steep decline from the prior two years), but their performance did decline the following two years.

You seem to be dismissing an outlier that makes him look bad (2012 LA Tech) but not the one that makes him look good (Marshall 2012). He went 21, 22, then 41 when he had Rakeem Cato who had Heisman hype.

Why not include years after he left? I truly feel that looking at the 2 years before and 2 years after gives a more accurate view of how he affected each program.

I didn't dismiss it as it was included in the averages. I just stayed that it was much higher than previous years. I forgot you looked at the years after he left, and didn't want to go back. As I said before though, I think looking at a 3 year window was more accurate than 2. It's a larger sample size, and matched his term at each school.

[boonetown1]

It is nice to say that we should have called “other” plays to adjust to our personnel situation. Again there is only so much you can do “in season” that would utilize wrs differently. They have trained a set number of plays and that’s it.... and then it’s about executing those plays better than your opponent. This is where inexperienced players get exposed... going against experienced CB’s and Safeties.

Wait, so you mean to tell me you think the playbook is set beginning of season and not changed throughout the year? It appears that is the case this year, but every other college playbook evolves throughout the year. They aren't trained on a set number of plays and that's it. The WRs are trained on the entire route tree all year.

Regardless, if that was the case, then it is on Petersen still for only giving the players long developing plays in his playbook....

I trust Clark and Petersen will make the changes. They are well aware of what is needed.

It’s ironic. As I read this, I hear Troy Aikman saying on Thursday night football say “the great playcallers really know how to take their offense and adapt it to the personnel on the field”.

With TP we’re heading towards mediocrity. I would be interested to hear what players think.

[boonetown1]

And the schedule isn’t getting easier (save Elon) until we get in conference play next season.

Unfortunately the way ecu ended the season, I think we’re in for an embarrassing opening game

[Saint3333]

This board may implode next year once we lose 4 starting OL, 3 WRs, and our QB?

Therefore, what may we expect next season? 4-7, 5-6 or worse? If so, you're correct this board will implode.

If App goes 4-7 next season with the highest ranked recruiting class ever, this board SHOULD implode and Tony Peterson, and probably Shawn Clark, should absolutely be fired.

So we aren’t giving time to develop talent any more? Every player we sign next week is expected to come in with the skill, knowledge and body type to not
only compete, but win immediately?
I guess that’s why satterfield went undefeated his first 2 seasons as HC??

Comparing the talent level left for Satt to what we’ve recruited the last three years isn’t in the same stratosphere.