UNCC sees recruiting boost

[ASUMountaineer]

The fact that so many of our fans rip UNCC at every turn tells me that they are really anxious about Charlotte stealing alot of our thunder and competing for the same athletes. I'm no fan of the 49ers and really don't have much knowledge about the school but I find it a bit unseemly that some persist in trashing them at every turn. Seems jealousy at UNCC's good fortunes is behind some of the vitriol.

FWIW, they look to be on the level of ECU.

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/sat/a/n ... na-sat.htm

I don't engage in ripping UNCC at every turn. But, living in Charlotte, I have met several alums and some of them talk more trash about ASU than what you see App fans doing on this board.

The last time I was on UNCC's campus was when ASU played them in basketball. I was there with my wife and their fans were almost as bad as GSU fans (at least GSU is a rival). We were taunted, yelled and cursed at, and not just in the stands (not in the student section), but on our way to the car in the parking deck. Even had a group gather around my Jeep on the way out yelling about how badly ASU sucks.

I don't necessarily have anything against UNCC as an institution, but because of my personal experiences with their fans, I will pull for them to lose every game they play.

And I will tell you that we have had to protect visitors from our fans also.

I don't doubt it, and that's a shame. But, then again, I wasn't speaking of Appalachian, I was speaking of my experience at UNCC.

[ASUMountaineer]

So, should the folks at NC State, UNC-CH, UNC-A, and UNC-W look down on us?

In reality folks are focusing on Charlotte's lower SAT scores as a veiled effort to discredit whatever they happen to do on the football field. I never thought that most App fans were elitists.

Amen, Hapapp! I don't know when App adopted such an elitest attitude toward sister institutions. I am as proud of my diploma from App as anyone on this board, and I believe the education that I received was second to none (including UNC). That being said, in 1980 Appalachian had exactly the reputation that many on here are denouncing others for. It was a "backup" option for many of the students who chose it. Even then, we were known for having excellent programs in music, education and a few other areas (not intended to be an exhaustive list), but admission standards (SAT & GPA) were well below those for UNC, NCSU and several others. That gap began closing in the 90's and the gap effectively slammed shut with the increase in apps during our football run (2005 - 2007). We really haven't looked back since.

I know that I have hired UNCC alums here at Bank of America and I've never noticed them being deficient in any way. They have a good business program. They also have a good engineering program and a solid nursing school. Those are the undergrad programs that I have some knowledge about. I just don't see the need to trash another university with these overblown generalizations. I personally consider UNCC to be a peer insititution, and I see us benefiting from improving athletic relations with them....not estranging ourselves. Is their recruiting list inflated? Sure it is, but we don't need to be casting stones. Let's enjoy our own success and meet them on the field sometime soon. That's where these debates should be settled.

Just my two cents.

I respect your opinions above, and it's certainly an objective one. However, I hope we operate like we are in competition with every school in the state

Of course we are in competition. I completely agree. We compete for students, and in some cases on the athletic field. I just don't think that should include trashing the reputation of the institutions at every opportunity. App can and does compete on the strength of our own programs. There is no need to tear down other institutions.

I wouldn't worry too much about what a bunch of people on an anonymous message board say about an institution. If we had any effect, ASU would be in the ACC now.

[ASUMountaineer]

The fact that so many of our fans rip UNCC at every turn tells me that they are really anxious about Charlotte stealing alot of our thunder and competing for the same athletes. I'm no fan of the 49ers and really don't have much knowledge about the school but I find it a bit unseemly that some persist in trashing them at every turn. Seems jealousy at UNCC's good fortunes is behind some of the vitriol.

FWIW, they look to be on the level of ECU.

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/sat/a/n ... na-sat.htm

I don't engage in ripping UNCC at every turn. But, living in Charlotte, I have met several alums and some of them talk more trash about ASU than what you see App fans doing on this board.

The last time I was on UNCC's campus was when ASU played them in basketball. I was there with my wife and their fans were almost as bad as GSU fans (at least GSU is a rival). We were taunted, yelled and cursed at, and not just in the stands (not in the student section), but on our way to the car in the parking deck. Even had a group gather around my Jeep on the way out yelling about how badly ASU sucks.

I don't necessarily have anything against UNCC as an institution, but because of my personal experiences with their fans, I will pull for them to lose every game they play.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not defending them in anyway. I just don't think we should obsess over them and put them down at every turn because they have something (FBS) we don't at the moment.

Well said. Trying to make them look bad does nothing to make us look better, in fact it does just the opposite.

Not well said, it was an assumption based on my post which mentioned nothing about FBS.

I wasn't trying to make UNCC look bad. I simply gave a reason as to why I root against UNCC's sports teams. I also said that I have nothing against UNCC as an institution. No need to get preachy.

[bcoach]

So, should the folks at NC State, UNC-CH, UNC-A, and UNC-W look down on us?

In reality folks are focusing on Charlotte's lower SAT scores as a veiled effort to discredit whatever they happen to do on the football field. I never thought that most App fans were elitists.

Amen, Hapapp! I don't know when App adopted such an elitest attitude toward sister institutions. I am as proud of my diploma from App as anyone on this board, and I believe the education that I received was second to none (including UNC). That being said, in 1980 Appalachian had exactly the reputation that many on here are denouncing others for. It was a "backup" option for many of the students who chose it. Even then, we were known for having excellent programs in music, education and a few other areas (not intended to be an exhaustive list), but admission standards (SAT & GPA) were well below those for UNC, NCSU and several others. That gap began closing in the 90's and the gap effectively slammed shut with the increase in apps during our football run (2005 - 2007). We really haven't looked back since.

I know that I have hired UNCC alums here at Bank of America and I've never noticed them being deficient in any way. They have a good business program. They also have a good engineering program and a solid nursing school. Those are the undergrad programs that I have some knowledge about. I just don't see the need to trash another university with these overblown generalizations. I personally consider UNCC to be a peer insititution, and I see us benefiting from improving athletic relations with them....not estranging ourselves. Is their recruiting list inflated? Sure it is, but we don't need to be casting stones. Let's enjoy our own success and meet them on the field sometime soon. That's where these debates should be settled.

Just my two cents.

I respect your opinions above, and it's certainly an objective one. However, I hope we operate like we are in competition with every school in the state

Of course we are in competition. I completely agree. We compete for students, and in some cases on the athletic field. I just don't think that should include trashing the reputation of the institutions at every opportunity. App can and does compete on the strength of our own programs. There is no need to tear down other institutions.

I wouldn't worry too much about what a bunch of people on an anonymous message board say about an institution. If we had any effect, ASU would be in the ACC now.

That is a classic

[bcoach]

The fact that so many of our fans rip UNCC at every turn tells me that they are really anxious about Charlotte stealing alot of our thunder and competing for the same athletes. I'm no fan of the 49ers and really don't have much knowledge about the school but I find it a bit unseemly that some persist in trashing them at every turn. Seems jealousy at UNCC's good fortunes is behind some of the vitriol.

FWIW, they look to be on the level of ECU.

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/sat/a/n ... na-sat.htm

I don't engage in ripping UNCC at every turn. But, living in Charlotte, I have met several alums and some of them talk more trash about ASU than what you see App fans doing on this board.

The last time I was on UNCC's campus was when ASU played them in basketball. I was there with my wife and their fans were almost as bad as GSU fans (at least GSU is a rival). We were taunted, yelled and cursed at, and not just in the stands (not in the student section), but on our way to the car in the parking deck. Even had a group gather around my Jeep on the way out yelling about how badly ASU sucks.

I don't necessarily have anything against UNCC as an institution, but because of my personal experiences with their fans, I will pull for them to lose every game they play.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not defending them in anyway. I just don't think we should obsess over them and put them down at every turn because they have something (FBS) we don't at the moment.

Well said. Trying to make them look bad does nothing to make us look better, in fact it does just the opposite.

Not well said, it was an assumption based on my post which mentioned nothing about FBS.

I wasn't trying to make UNCC look bad. I simply gave a reason as to why I root against UNCC's sports teams. I also said that I have nothing against UNCC as an institution. No need to get preachy.

I don't pretend to speak for hapapp but my comment was not a direct result of yours but of the whole body of work. Just slam after slam against UNCC for no real reason at all. Day after day it just makes us look really bad. I understand where you are coming from as I feel the same way about JMU. I will never go back there. I just get so tired of the UNCC thing every single day. What is the reason other than what hapapp stated?

[3rd]

idk why were all freaking out about slamming UNCC i mean the entire state slames ECU and everyone is okay with it...its not that big of a deal. yall must not understand that in the past when teams had a chance to beat us they threw up as many points as possible, as where we (jerry moore) always toned it down because he had too much respect for the other team

[JTApps1]

I met a girl that is an English professor at UNCC and App State grad. When I asked about the academics there she laughed and said the curriculum at UNCC is a joke, and she was almost embarrassed that she had to teach such easy classes. She even went as far as to say the courses she taught at CPCC were more demanding than UNCC. To be fair she did say some of the professional college's such as engineering were very good but that’s about it.

At the very least this means they will be able to get some guys in school that we would have no chance of getting through admissions.

It also means she should be fired for the comments she makes about her employer or at the very least have the balls not to cah her paycheck.

You can't be serious...

Do you have some sort of connection to UNCC?

[asu66]

It's not a very complimentary comment, but she's within her rights to express her "professional" opinion under the auspices of "academic freedom" and freedom of speech [You know, that First Amendment stuff. ]. Plus, she's probably a tenured professor now and is virtually untouchable as long as her classroom work remains competent.

In my opinion, the UNCC bashing is childish. We need to mind ASU's affairs, because UNCC will be a handful in every sport and every program going forward.

My opinion has changed over time. I was certain the Niners would cave in and pass on football when their efforts to sell stadium seat licensing went south. We know the rest of that story. They've far exceeded their own expectations--before their first kickoff.

[asutrnr81]

Until UNC-C plays us in all sports....they do not exist in my mind!

Funny thing about this trashing UNC-C....we (ASU) actually met with the ACC about conference admission in the recent past.....now how do you think we would have been received by UVA, UNC, DUKE, and Ga. Tech?

[MAD Doctor]

Apples and Oranges. Charlotte's vision includes adding as many programs and bodies as possible to meet some arbitrary criteria for a "major research institution." In this regard, they have been successful, as evidenced by enrollment and campus enhancements. However, when it comes to overall academic quality, natural beauty, history, school pride, and a true sense of FAMILY, they just can't hold a candle to APP State. I feel that I can say this objectively, as I hold degrees from both institutions.

During my son's senior year at App, he was admitted to the hospital with a high fever and virus. I was amazed when two of his Business professors showed up at the hospital to see if there was anything they could do for him. I guess some students may be content with just being a number, but as for me and my family....It's great to be Mountaineers!!

[ImfromClayton]

We will not see a noticeable impact on recruiting as a result of UNCC unless we take to long to secure FBS status. This is just one more school, people. We recruit against 50 better schools and 50 worse schools every year and we've done so for 80+ years. I refuse to believe that one new program is going to utterly doom Appalachian football as most UNCC fans think. They are a drop in the bucket.

We've historically gotten our players from Georgia and SC. Even this year, after Satterfield voiced his commitment to recruiting heavily in our home state, only 3 of 16 recruits this year are from North Carolina.

Move along people, nothing to see here.

I write this with the knowledge that Rivals info is not always 100% accurate, but I checked their commit's offers and They didn't sign one recruit that we offered

LOL

[Kgfish]

Getting back to the original intent of this thread.... According to their their Rivals page, of the 19 players UNCC inked 8 had offers from FBS schools, 3 showed offers from FCS schools and 8 showed no other offers than the 49er schollie. Their new class had 13 cumulative FBS offers - of which 10 went to 3 players - and 14 FCS offers. I have my doubts they compete in CUSA bringing in that quality of players. When offensive lineman Tevin Lawshe was offered by ASU he was a 2 star recruit, now listed as a 3 and 4 star recruit. Funny how that happens. Even the players with no other offers were listed as 2 star recruits.

Interesting story on signee Jordan Starnes who got an early offer from Georgia Tech but waited hoping for an offer from NC State that never came. After he found out they were not going to offer he called Georgia Tech and wanted to commit but they had already had a linebacker to fill that spot. The 49ers offered Starnes two days before he took his first visit to campus. ASU had recruited him the hardest but never extended an offer. "It was really between Charlotte and Appalachian," Starnes said. "But Appalachian had not offered and I did not want to miss this opportunity with Charlotte so I just went ahead and jumped on it."

[JCline0429]

Apples and Oranges. Charlotte's vision includes adding as many programs and bodies as possible to meet some arbitrary criteria for a "major research institution." In this regard, they have been successful, as evidenced by enrollment and campus enhancements. However, when it comes to overall academic quality, natural beauty, history, school pride, and a true sense of FAMILY, they just can't hold a candle to APP State. I feel that I can say this objectively, as I hold degrees from both institutions.

During my son's senior year at App, he was admitted to the hospital with a high fever and virus. I was amazed when two of his Business professors showed up at the hospital to see if there was anything they could do for him. I guess some students may be content with just being a number, but as for me and my family....It's great to be Mountaineers!!

Great story about your son's experience.

[bcoach]

I met a girl that is an English professor at UNCC and App State grad. When I asked about the academics there she laughed and said the curriculum at UNCC is a joke, and she was almost embarrassed that she had to teach such easy classes. She even went as far as to say the courses she taught at CPCC were more demanding than UNCC. To be fair she did say some of the professional college's such as engineering were very good but that’s about it.

At the very least this means they will be able to get some guys in school that we would have no chance of getting through admissions.

It also means she should be fired for the comments she makes about her employer or at the very least have the balls not to cah her paycheck.

You can't be serious...

Do you have some sort of connection to UNCC?

I have never seen UNCC. If you can't see the problem there then I probably can't explain it to you.

[Kgfish]

I met a girl that is an English professor at UNCC and App State grad. When I asked about the academics there she laughed and said the curriculum at UNCC is a joke, and she was almost embarrassed that she had to teach such easy classes. She even went as far as to say the courses she taught at CPCC were more demanding than UNCC. To be fair she did say some of the professional college's such as engineering were very good but that’s about it.

At the very least this means they will be able to get some guys in school that we would have no chance of getting through admissions.

It also means she should be fired for the comments she makes about her employer or at the very least have the balls not to cah her paycheck.

You can't be serious...

Do you have some sort of connection to UNCC?

I have never seen UNCC. If you can't see the problem there then I probably can't explain it to you.

Never realized one's opinion was grounds to be fired. She did what she was required and was paid for her services. Her opinion is her opinion. In many ways UNCC is an overgrown community college. They have some excellent professional programs but for the most part anybody with a pulse can get accepted.

[bcoach]

I met a girl that is an English professor at UNCC and App State grad. When I asked about the academics there she laughed and said the curriculum at UNCC is a joke, and she was almost embarrassed that she had to teach such easy classes. She even went as far as to say the courses she taught at CPCC were more demanding than UNCC. To be fair she did say some of the professional college's such as engineering were very good but that’s about it.

At the very least this means they will be able to get some guys in school that we would have no chance of getting through admissions.

It also means she should be fired for the comments she makes about her employer or at the very least have the balls not to cah her paycheck.

You can't be serious...

Do you have some sort of connection to UNCC?

I have never seen UNCC. If you can't see the problem there then I probably can't explain it to you.

Never realized one's opinion was grounds to be fired. She did what she was required and was paid for her services. Her opinion is her opinion. In many ways UNCC is an overgrown community college. They have some excellent professional programs but for the most part anybody with a pulse can get accepted.

It also looks like anyone with a pulse can teach there. If she feels the need to talk about her employer that way she should not be cashing his check. She should go somewhere else and then expound on her theory. Of course she may be too lazy or unqualified to go elswhere. My point is, be loyal to your employer or leave. OR If you really want to be someone who offers value rather than just cashing a check you could shut your mouth and work to improve the quality of the program.

[ASUMountaineer]

idk why were all freaking out about slamming UNCC i mean the entire state slames ECU and everyone is okay with it...its not that big of a deal. yall must not understand that in the past when teams had a chance to beat us they threw up as many points as possible, as where we (jerry moore) always toned it down because he had too much respect for the other team

Agreed.

[ASUMountaineer]

I met a girl that is an English professor at UNCC and App State grad. When I asked about the academics there she laughed and said the curriculum at UNCC is a joke, and she was almost embarrassed that she had to teach such easy classes. She even went as far as to say the courses she taught at CPCC were more demanding than UNCC. To be fair she did say some of the professional college's such as engineering were very good but that’s about it.

At the very least this means they will be able to get some guys in school that we would have no chance of getting through admissions.

It also means she should be fired for the comments she makes about her employer or at the very least have the balls not to cah her paycheck.

You can't be serious...


I have never seen UNCC. If you can't see the problem there then I probably can't explain it to you.

Never realized one's opinion was grounds to be fired. She did what she was required and was paid for her services. Her opinion is her opinion. In many ways UNCC is an overgrown community college. They have some excellent professional programs but for the most part anybody with a pulse can get accepted.

It also looks like anyone with a pulse can teach there. If she feels the need to talk about her employer that way she should not be cashing his check. She should go somewhere else and then expound on her theory. Of course she may be too lazy or unqualified to go elswhere. My point is, be loyal to your employer or leave. OR If you really want to be someone who offers value rather than just cashing a check you could shut your mouth and work to improve the quality of the program.

I was somewhat with you, until this point. Show me a company that shows loyalty, and I will show loyalty. Most companies, nowadays, have little loyalty to their employees and so the employees respond in kind.

[AppinVA]

It also looks like anyone with a pulse can teach there. If she feels the need to talk about her employer that way she should not be cashing his check. She should go somewhere else and then expound on her theory. Of course she may be too lazy or unqualified to go elswhere. My point is, be loyal to your employer or leave. OR If you really want to be someone who offers value rather than just cashing a check you could shut your mouth and work to improve the quality of the program.

Wow. You'd say that about a member of the Appalachian Family. Stand down.

[ASUMountaineer]

The fact that so many of our fans rip UNCC at every turn tells me that they are really anxious about Charlotte stealing alot of our thunder and competing for the same athletes. I'm no fan of the 49ers and really don't have much knowledge about the school but I find it a bit unseemly that some persist in trashing them at every turn. Seems jealousy at UNCC's good fortunes is behind some of the vitriol.

FWIW, they look to be on the level of ECU.

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/sat/a/n ... na-sat.htm

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not defending them in anyway. I just don't think we should obsess over them and put them down at every turn because they have something (FBS) we don't at the moment.

Well said. Trying to make them look bad does nothing to make us look better, in fact it does just the opposite.

Not well said, it was an assumption based on my post which mentioned nothing about FBS.

I wasn't trying to make UNCC look bad. I simply gave a reason as to why I root against UNCC's sports teams. I also said that I have nothing against UNCC as an institution. No need to get preachy.

I don't pretend to speak for hapapp but my comment was not a direct result of yours but of the whole body of work. Just slam after slam against UNCC for no real reason at all. Day after day it just makes us look really bad. I understand where you are coming from as I feel the same way about JMU. I will never go back there. I just get so tired of the UNCC thing every single day. What is the reason other than what hapapp stated?

I think a lot of it comes from personal experiences like I have had. I was fairly indifferent to UNCC until I moved to Charlotte. Most of the UNCC alums I have met had embodied the attitudes of those fans I encountered at the game. The most quality UNCC alum I have met doesn't follow UNCC athletics, but Clemson.

My BIL had a similar experience that I had when he went to the ECU/UNCC game this season. He grew up way down east and went to ECU. He never really knew anything about UNCC until they moved to Charlotte. He dealt with the same BS that my wife and I did, but he also stepped in to prevent a UNCC "fan" from berating a 60-year old woman because she was decked out in purple and gold. The sad part is that the fan was not a student, but an alum.

As I said, I don't have anything against UNCC the institution (save Judy Rose's snobbery), but I do against their GSU-esque fans.