Low Attendance?

[Rekdiver]

Just curious why people sitting on the hill dont move to the empty east side stands after the game starts.
It is tough sitting on that slope.

[asunewbie]

Seems like every thread started these days either starts as, or turns to, complaining about what we don't have. Don't really understand it to be honest. We have a good team and a great tradition, yet all we do on here is poke holes in the system in place. This is Yosef's Cabin. Let's not turn it into Pack Pride.

[Yosef84]

Seems like every thread started these days either starts as, or turns to, complaining about what we don't have. Don't really understand it to be honest. We have a good team and a great tradition, yet all we do on here is poke holes in the system in place. This is Yosef's Cabin. Let's not turn it into Pack Pride.

I agree and I hope I wasn't sounding like I was complaining. I was simply replying to the comment that we don't need to expand seating. I think we are fine for now.

I also don't think this SSU game can be used to predict ANYTHING about this year's attendance. We will see what we will see.

[Rick83]

I agree that the temporary seating is an affordable and reasonable option for now. That's why there is not a rush. I just don't believe this should be our permanent solution.

I would also like to see more visiting fans, but I think we'll see some of that with CCU coming into the conference. GS travels well, and if GSU ever starts winning a few, there is potential. If we get P5 games (or good G5 teams) from within our geographical area, that will also help. Miami and WF both sold a bunch. ODU brought quite a few. Marshall and ECU will bring plenty. Who knows what Charlotte will do.

YES. When local teams like Marshal, ECU, UNC, WFU, maybe CCU, Etc. come to Boone they will bring way more people than our normal Sun Belt opponents. Also, Georgia Southern has historically brought a lot of people but if their downturn continues it'll probably drop off, we've been playing them on Thursday nights which obviously limits their fan travel. Keep in mind that stadium changes don't happen overnight so you have to plan WAY ahead for needs and we're just in our what, 4th FBS year? We're just getting started people...another thing is that if we develop rivalries with other Sun Belt teams like Troy or Ark State that'll help as well. Rivalries don't happen overnight. Also, imagine when we host a Sun Belt Conference championship game in Boone when that gets started next season (hopefully we won't have a down season with Lamb gone), but I hope that we will in the not-too-distant future, host a SBC Conference championship game.

[yosef13]

We need to built a facility in the north end zone that will seat 3k with as many additional club seats as we can fit. Club level currently has a waiting list. This will put us around 25,000, which is close to our average over the past 5 season.

Why are you arguing, this is exactly what I've been proposing for two years on here?

We don't need to add general seating.

Are these your words? Not really arguing, just stating why we need more seats, including general seats, despite the attendance last weekend. Your statement seemed to suggest we don't. I'm sorry if I missed your statements over the years. I don't spend enough time here to know everyone points. I'm just responding to your most recent statement. The complex in the north end zone will, and should include general seating. I guess you are for the end zone project, but with no general seats?

[EastHallApp]

If the hill is such terrible seating, then why do hundreds of people choose to sit there while virtually entire sections on the East Side are empty? Is it possible that not everyone who attends a game has the same preferred experience?

I might buy the hurricane argument if we'd sold most of the tickets and people just didn't show up. But there were thousands of unsold seats, despite App announcing a discount sale just days after the public on-sale date. No way to blame that on the hurricane.

The "over capacity" stats are meaningless, because our announced "capacity" of 24,000 and change isn't really capacity. It basically assumes that GA seating doesn't exist. Yet we know that for almost every game, we sell a bunch of GA tickets while thousands of reserved seats go unsold. The stadium's true capacity is over 30,000.

[bcoach]

We need to built a facility in the north end zone that will seat 3k with as many additional club seats as we can fit. Club level currently has a waiting list. This will put us around 25,000, which is close to our average over the past 5 season.

Why are you arguing, this is exactly what I've been proposing for two years on here?

We don't need to add general seating.

Are these your words? Not really arguing, just stating why we need more seats, including general seats, despite the attendance last weekend. Your statement seemed to suggest we don't. I'm sorry if I missed your statements over the years. I don't spend enough time here to know everyone points. I'm just responding to your most recent statement. The complex in the north end zone will, and should include general seating. I guess you are for the end zone project, but with no general seats?

Are you trying to say that the folks on the waiting list for club seats are sitting home waiting? They will be giving up general seating. I don't see why we need more general seating.

[NewApp]

I would venture to say that the opponent and the fact that maybe a lot of those who would have attended were concerned with family, weather, Irma, and how it might affect them.

For me, it's the late date they have for allowing fans to purchase non-season ticket seats.
I like to purchase mine in time to schedule around other things that might get in the way of attending and get motel rooms in Boone as well as get half way decent seats. I understand the rationale in giving season ticket holders first shot, but good lord, speed it up.

It's not an excuse, it's a valid reason.

[NewApp]

If the hill is such terrible seating, then why do hundreds of people choose to sit there while virtually entire sections on the East Side are empty? Is it possible that not everyone who attends a game has the same preferred experience?

I might buy the hurricane argument if we'd sold most of the tickets and people just didn't show up. But there were thousands of unsold seats, despite App announcing a discount sale just days after the public on-sale date. No way to blame that on the hurricane.

The "over capacity" stats are meaningless, because our announced "capacity" of 24,000 and change isn't really capacity. It basically assumes that GA seating doesn't exist. Yet we know that for almost every game, we sell a bunch of GA tickets while thousands of reserved seats go unsold. The stadium's true capacity is over 30,000.

I don't have anyway of knowing for sure, but from my experience trying to find tickets at a late date, many of those seats were sold but the buyers just didn't attend. I know I had a hard time finding decent seats due to the chart showing sold. You can bet they will be filled for Wake..hopefully by App fans only.

[Saint3333]

You can cancel hotel reservations up to 24-48 hours of your stay...

[NewApp]

Just curious why people sitting on the hill dont move to the empty east side stands after the game starts.
It is tough sitting on that slope.

Probably because they don't know they can. When I buy a ticket, I expect that seat to be filled by me only even if I left to go the can or arrived late. Not being selfish, but have had to run people out of my seats when the stadium was filled more than one time.

The hill leaves much to be desired, but it does offer some advantages. It's easier to socialize with more fans around you as well as to jockey for a space you like.

[NewApp]

You can cancel hotel reservations up to 24-48 hours of your stay...

Not talking about canceling, but getting one to start with. I know very well what the policies are for canceling rooms in Boone. BTW, on certain key week ends, they won't allow you to cancel that late.

[NewApp]

Seems like every thread started these days either starts as, or turns to, complaining about what we don't have. Don't really understand it to be honest. We have a good team and a great tradition, yet all we do on here is poke holes in the system in place. This is Yosef's Cabin. Let's not turn it into Pack Pride.

Some of us aren't poking holes, just recommending change or improvement in certain areas. Mine is the sound system between plays drowning out the band.
Overall, we have probably the best atmosphere, convenience, and accommodations of any program in the state. A few more reasonable motel rooms would be nice especially during the leaf season.

[NewApp]

I agree that the temporary seating is an affordable and reasonable option for now. That's why there is not a rush. I just don't believe this should be our permanent solution.

I would also like to see more visiting fans, but I think we'll see some of that with CCU coming into the conference. GS travels well, and if GSU ever starts winning a few, there is potential. If we get P5 games (or good G5 teams) from within our geographical area, that will also help. Miami and WF both sold a bunch. ODU brought quite a few. Marshall and ECU will bring plenty. Who knows what Charlotte will do.

YES. When local teams like Marshal, ECU, UNC, WFU, maybe CCU, Etc. come to Boone they will bring way more people than our normal Sun Belt opponents. Also, Georgia Southern has historically brought a lot of people but if their downturn continues it'll probably drop off, we've been playing them on Thursday nights which obviously limits their fan travel. Keep in mind that stadium changes don't happen overnight so you have to plan WAY ahead for needs and we're just in our what, 4th FBS year? We're just getting started people...another thing is that if we develop rivalries with other Sun Belt teams like Troy or Ark State that'll help as well. Rivalries don't happen overnight. Also, imagine when we host a Sun Belt Conference championship game in Boone when that gets started next season (hopefully we won't have a down season with Lamb gone), but I hope that we will in the not-too-distant future, host a SBC Conference championship game.

We'll always jam the joint for quality, name, and area opponents. That's not a problem.

[NewApp]

All fan bases have changed. https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... ight-year/

App's attendance was up 22% last year over 2015 due to all Saturday games and 34k for Miami. Even with the Wake game we are trending down based upon pre-game sales.

You don't add a $50M+ capex project to sale an additional 10k seats for a "big" game every other year and have them empty 90% of the time.

If we must add seats you add premium seating that pays for itself.

You will continue to see a trend of college stadiums reducing capacity (which we don't need to do obviously) to make way for club and box seating options.

Amen!

[yosef13]

We need to built a facility in the north end zone that will seat 3k with as many additional club seats as we can fit. Club level currently has a waiting list. This will put us around 25,000, which is close to our average over the past 5 season.

Why are you arguing, this is exactly what I've been proposing for two years on here?

We don't need to add general seating.

Are these your words? Not really arguing, just stating why we need more seats, including general seats, despite the attendance last weekend. Your statement seemed to suggest we don't. I'm sorry if I missed your statements over the years. I don't spend enough time here to know everyone points. I'm just responding to your most recent statement. The complex in the north end zone will, and should include general seating. I guess you are for the end zone project, but with no general seats?

Are you trying to say that the folks on the waiting list for club seats are sitting home waiting? They will be giving up general seating. I don't see why we need more general seating.

No. I would imagine they are ticket holders. There are currently 600 club level seats, if we double that you are not giving up anything in the general seats. When I see erector set bleachers go up at any stadium, I see a demand.

If we are going to cater to the high end fans, we should do the same for all of our fans. In my opinion temporary bleacher, porta johns, and a wet hill is not going to do the job long term.

[EastHallApp]

You can cancel hotel reservations up to 24-48 hours of your stay...

Not talking about canceling, but getting one to start with. I know very well what the policies are for canceling rooms in Boone. BTW, on certain key week ends, they won't allow you to cancel that late.

Couldn't you make the hotel reservations as soon as the schedule came out, then cancel them if you were unable to buy satisfactory tickets? That would give you a month's notice before the first game.

[Rick83]

I agree that the temporary seating is an affordable and reasonable option for now. That's why there is not a rush. I just don't believe this should be our permanent solution.

I would also like to see more visiting fans, but I think we'll see some of that with CCU coming into the conference. GS travels well, and if GSU ever starts winning a few, there is potential. If we get P5 games (or good G5 teams) from within our geographical area, that will also help. Miami and WF both sold a bunch. ODU brought quite a few. Marshall and ECU will bring plenty. Who knows what Charlotte will do.

YES. When local teams like Marshal, ECU, UNC, WFU, maybe CCU, Etc. come to Boone they will bring way more people than our normal Sun Belt opponents. Also, Georgia Southern has historically brought a lot of people but if their downturn continues it'll probably drop off, we've been playing them on Thursday nights which obviously limits their fan travel. Keep in mind that stadium changes don't happen overnight so you have to plan WAY ahead for needs and we're just in our what, 4th FBS year? We're just getting started people...another thing is that if we develop rivalries with other Sun Belt teams like Troy or Ark State that'll help as well. Rivalries don't happen overnight. Also, imagine when we host a Sun Belt Conference championship game in Boone when that gets started next season (hopefully we won't have a down season with Lamb gone), but I hope that we will in the not-too-distant future, host a SBC Conference championship game.

We'll always jam the joint for quality, name, and area opponents. That's not a problem.

Exactly, so why limit ourselves to 35K max with people standing shoulder to shoulder on a hill that's not even close to the south end zone? If we added 5k to 10K actual seats (and not sure how feasible that is) and we have ECU, Marshall, WFU, Carolina then we'd have 40 to 50K in attendance...easy. Start having 50K in attendance (not as an average but for a game or two each season) and see what that does to recruiting...why would we want to limit ourselves? We have to think big, we can be the next Boise State or Houston...let's think as big as our resources allow us to.

[NewApp]

You can cancel hotel reservations up to 24-48 hours of your stay...

Not talking about canceling, but getting one to start with. I know very well what the policies are for canceling rooms in Boone. BTW, on certain key week ends, they won't allow you to cancel that late.

Couldn't you make the hotel reservations as soon as the schedule came out, then cancel them if you were unable to buy satisfactory tickets? That would give you a month's notice before the first game.

Schedule means nothing when games are switched to Wednesdays, Thursdays, or Fridays . And yes I have made reservations well in advance like the Wake game even though I have seats right in the middle of Wake fans. The room rate is ridiculously. priced. Hell, if the game is televised, I may sell my tickets to a Wake fan in my civic club. All he has been able to find are from scalping websites. The sad thing (and galls me) is that he is an App grad, yet has never attended a game in Boone since he graduated in the mid to late '70's. He is a proud Wake fan.

[NewApp]

I agree that the temporary seating is an affordable and reasonable option for now. That's why there is not a rush. I just don't believe this should be our permanent solution.

I would also like to see more visiting fans, but I think we'll see some of that with CCU coming into the conference. GS travels well, and if GSU ever starts winning a few, there is potential. If we get P5 games (or good G5 teams) from within our geographical area, that will also help. Miami and WF both sold a bunch. ODU brought quite a few. Marshall and ECU will bring plenty. Who knows what Charlotte will do.

YES. When local teams like Marshal, ECU, UNC, WFU, maybe CCU, Etc. come to Boone they will bring way more people than our normal Sun Belt opponents. Also, Georgia Southern has historically brought a lot of people but if their downturn continues it'll probably drop off, we've been playing them on Thursday nights which obviously limits their fan travel. Keep in mind that stadium changes don't happen overnight so you have to plan WAY ahead for needs and we're just in our what, 4th FBS year? We're just getting started people...another thing is that if we develop rivalries with other Sun Belt teams like Troy or Ark State that'll help as well. Rivalries don't happen overnight. Also, imagine when we host a Sun Belt Conference championship game in Boone when that gets started next season (hopefully we won't have a down season with Lamb gone), but I hope that we will in the not-too-distant future, host a SBC Conference championship game.

We'll always jam the joint for quality, name, and area opponents. That's not a problem.

Exactly, so why limit ourselves to 35K max with people standing shoulder to shoulder on a hill that's not even close to the south end zone? If we added 5k to 10K actual seats (and not sure how feasible that is) and we have ECU, Marshall, WFU, Carolina then we'd have 40 to 50K in attendance...easy. Start having 50K in attendance (not as an average but for a game or two each season) and see what that does to recruiting...why would we want to limit ourselves? We have to think big, we can be the next Boise State or Houston...let's think as big as our resources allow us to.

Let's fully fund all our scholarships first. Right, Daphne? As to having better recruiting, playing Wake, ECU, and UNC should help that even without adding more seats.