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[NewApp]

Some of you can never be happy.

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We corner the market on second guessers. Nevermind, I just looked at the Toledo message board. They have way more than we do.

Toledo lost so it stands to reason that they would have more second guesses than we do.

[AppSt94]

They want Candle to resign.

[NewApp]

They want Candle to resign.

He led them to a Bowl game and lost by a FG and they want him to resign? Oh, brother!

[EastHallApp]

No problem with it. FG was far from certain with the wind. Don't think this thread would exist if it had worked (or if they'd thrown the PI flag).

If anything I thought we should have gone for it on 4th and 1 the next time, but our kicker came through and theirs didn't, so it all worked out.

Why?? Rubino had been solid for the last month or two especially at the 30-35 yd range. We were around the 20 I believe. So a 30+/- FG in a tie game when we were having trouble moving the ball should be a no brainer. We just as easily could not have made it to FG range on the next drive, and Toledo could have been going for the winning FG on their last drive as opposed to the tying one.
In the end, it neither helped nor hurt App, but seems like you would always put the "likely" points on the board at that point in the game with a tie score.

Because we probably would have gained 1 yard and had a chance to score a TD, and 7 points are better than 3.

[AppSt94]

They want Candle to resign.

He led them to a Bowl game and lost by a FG and they want him to resign? Oh, brother!

Oh yes. Some are threatening to cancel season tickets. They are calling their loss to us the most embarrassing loss of all time.

[EastHallApp]

They want Candle to resign.

He led them to a Bowl game and lost by a FG and they want him to resign? Oh, brother!

Oh yes. Some are threatening to cancel season tickets. They are calling their loss to us the most embarrassing loss of all time.

I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that's their lunatic fringe speaking. Game was a pick 'em and came down to a missed FG. If they expected an easy win that's their ignorance showing.

[ed62]

They want Candle to resign.

He led them to a Bowl game and lost by a FG and they want him to resign? Oh, brother!

Oh yes. Some are threatening to cancel season tickets. They are calling their loss to us the most embarrassing loss of all time.

I just didn't understand the no time out/delay thing.........I was talking to the TV going what the crap is he doing?......I could see how some of their fair weather fans would be upset.....but it was a solid, competitive game.......


But in the end the Good Guys win.....

[AppAlum1]

They want Candle to resign.

He led them to a Bowl game and lost by a FG and they want him to resign? Oh, brother!

Oh yes. Some are threatening to cancel season tickets. They are calling their loss to us the most embarrassing loss of all time.

Well, up until Saturday they had never lost to a Sunbelt team. I think I heard they were 12 - 0 vs. the Sunbelt. First time for everything.

Of course, that also means they thought App was somehow a lesser team. Too bad about that. The ratings I saw had the teams very close, and Vegas odds were even on this game. Massey ratings had App 42 and Toledo 43. Even the wizards at ESPN picked this to be a 5 football (star) game.

Plus, there already was a feeling over there on their message board that the Camellia Bowl was beneath them somehow.

Maybe they could learn something from us. Bring more fans and a better defense next time.

[AppinATL]

They want Candle to resign.

He led them to a Bowl game and lost by a FG and they want him to resign? Oh, brother!

Oh yes. Some are threatening to cancel season tickets. They are calling their loss to us the most embarrassing loss of all time.

I just didn't understand the no time out/delay thing.........I was talking to the TV going what the crap is he doing?......I could see how some of their fair weather fans would be upset.....but it was a solid, competitive game.......



But in the end the Good Guys win.....

I said it at the time on the game thread and Candle confirmed it later in post game interview. They were backing him up a bit to improve his angle on the kick. When you're in that close and out to the hash mark those goal posts can seem kind of narrow. The coach was doing him a favor and got repaid by the kicker screwing it up anyway. Five yards further back from that distance should have made the kick easier not harder. those people complaining about the coach have never been kickers.

[appchicago]

Of course, that also means they thought App was somehow a lesser team.

They'll know better next time.

And I hope there is a next time. I thought Toledo was a mighty worthy adversary. Controversial opinion, but I think their offense looked crisper and cleaner than ours. In addition to Woodside, they had great receivers and a special running back in Hunt. And their defense wasn't their strong point, but it was better than I expected it to be, especially against our RBs. I do believe the better team won in the end, but there's no denying that they have an extremely talented offense. And looking at their roster, I see Woodside is a junior and several of their receivers are underclassmen as well. They'll lose both of their starting RBs, but I think they'll be strong next year, too.

[ed62]

Not sure if this is in another thread, but how many flipping passes did the ASU receivers drop? Maybe they all should have taken the sticky gloves off.....

[EastHallApp]

They want Candle to resign.

He led them to a Bowl game and lost by a FG and they want him to resign? Oh, brother!

Oh yes. Some are threatening to cancel season tickets. They are calling their loss to us the most embarrassing loss of all time.

I just didn't understand the no time out/delay thing.........I was talking to the TV going what the crap is he doing?......I could see how some of their fair weather fans would be upset.....but it was a solid, competitive game.......



But in the end the Good Guys win.....

I said it at the time on the game thread and Candle confirmed it later in post game interview. They were backing him up a bit to improve his angle on the kick. When you're in that close and out to the hash mark those goal posts can seem kind of narrow. The coach was doing him a favor and got repaid by the kicker screwing it up anyway. Five yards further back from that distance should have made the kick easier not harder. those people complaining about the coach have never been kickers.

Good call, I didn't think of that at the time. But I still thought it made sense, as it was still a short FG and I figured they wanted to save their last time out in case they had a chance to get the ball back.

[Rick83]

I always try to keep an open mind on aggressive play calling. Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. We were playing a very good team and it felt like they were going to be able to sneak in enough big plays to keep getting 7 points so I think playing aggressively in that situation was a good call but Toledo defended it well. You can say the same thing about that silly little pooch punt we did early on. It looked like a bad call (at least poorly executed) but later in the game we were in a similar situation and Toledo was probably expecting another pooch punt but we ran a great play instead and got the first down.

[JTApps1]

Of course, that also means they thought App was somehow a lesser team.

They'll know better next time.

And I hope there is a next time. I thought Toledo was a mighty worthy adversary. Controversial opinion, but I think their offense looked crisper and cleaner than ours. In addition to Woodside, they had great receivers and a special running back in Hunt. And their defense wasn't their strong point, but it was better than I expected it to be, especially against our RBs. I do believe the better team won in the end, but there's no denying that they have an extremely talented offense. And looking at their roster, I see Woodside is a junior and several of their receivers are underclassmen as well. They'll lose both of their starting RBs, but I think they'll be strong next year, too.

I thought their offense was too much of an all or nothing approach. Over half of their yards came on about 6 plays, and the rest came on 2 other drives. We forced what 6 Three and Outs against them? I know we aren't flashy, but I'll take our ball control style over their style any day. Plus had we not had so many drops our offense would have looked much better.

[appchicago]

Of course, that also means they thought App was somehow a lesser team.

They'll know better next time.

And I hope there is a next time. I thought Toledo was a mighty worthy adversary. Controversial opinion, but I think their offense looked crisper and cleaner than ours. In addition to Woodside, they had great receivers and a special running back in Hunt. And their defense wasn't their strong point, but it was better than I expected it to be, especially against our RBs. I do believe the better team won in the end, but there's no denying that they have an extremely talented offense. And looking at their roster, I see Woodside is a junior and several of their receivers are underclassmen as well. They'll lose both of their starting RBs, but I think they'll be strong next year, too.

I thought their offense was too much of an all or nothing approach. Over half of their yards came on about 6 plays, and the rest came on 2 other drives. We forced what 6 Three and Outs against them? I know we aren't flashy, but I'll take our ball control style over their style any day. Plus had we not had so many drops our offense would have looked much better.

I totally get that. I should clarify: I think their offense looked sharp and were very talented, but I still think the better team won.

[appbio91]

They want Candle to resign.

He led them to a Bowl game and lost by a FG and they want him to resign? Oh, brother!

Oh yes. Some are threatening to cancel season tickets. They are calling their loss to us the most embarrassing loss of all time.

I just didn't understand the no time out/delay thing.........I was talking to the TV going what the crap is he doing?......I could see how some of their fair weather fans would be upset.....but it was a solid, competitive game.......



But in the end the Good Guys win.....

I said it at the time on the game thread and Candle confirmed it later in post game interview. They were backing him up a bit to improve his angle on the kick. When you're in that close and out to the hash mark those goal posts can seem kind of narrow. The coach was doing him a favor and got repaid by the kicker screwing it up anyway. Five yards further back from that distance should have made the kick easier not harder. those people complaining about the coach have never been kickers.

Yea, I've seen that many times, play out the same way, take the delay move the ball back, maybe we jump offsides in the meantime. I see nothing unusual there. Now they can bitch and say go for it on 4th and 1 but we had just stuffed them so not a bad call. Can't say I would not be second guessing our fake had we lost though so I understand the arm chair folks reaction.

[MtnDevil95]

Their offense looked sharp on the big plays (but then that's why they are big plays). They scored on less play and less time, and that can be good or bad. Playing a run first pound the ball down field type opponent like App State, quick strike offense can leave the defense winded at the end of the game, make it difficult to come up with the stops needed in a close one. The primary point of having a quick strike offense is to build and keep a lead that prevents needing defensive stops at the end of a game. Fortunately for App St, our defense limited the big plays and enabled App to play the game I believe our coaches wanted to play. While the App receivers definitely dropped more than a few key catchable passes, I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say, overall Toledo's offense looked sharper.

Back to the OP, I like the call to fake the FG, and not meant as an indication of a lack of confidence in Rubino. At that point in the game Toledo was answering scores, and App needed to press, and grab more momentum.

[appbio91]

I talked with one of their fans at the aviator before the game Saturday. He said they either quick strike score in two or three plays or three and out. I think he was right.

[t4pizza]

The call for the fake didnt make much sense to me, but I am glad that Scott tries things like that. I trust him, except with 2 minute clock management in close games, and take the results of those calls as they fall. Spent way too many years waiting and watching for us to try things like fake fgs, that i wont complain now that we make those calls.

[NewApp]

The fake kick should alleviate the complaints from those MMB'ers who complain that Coach Satterfield doesn't open up the play book enough.