Lamb?

[Saint3333]

MTSU fans weren't upset when we hired our current WR coach from them. I have no idea what the feedback from the current staff and players are however.

[JTApps1]

Here are Lamb's stats from every full game he's played against P-5 teams and against Sun Belt teams that were/are considered good on a national level.

2014 GA Southern 23/42 256 0td 2int

2015 Clemson 9/28 95 1td 3int -- Ok, ok this was against one of the best defenses in college football

2016 Tenn. 15/23 108yds 1td 1int -- Majority of these stats came from 1-foot passes...

2016 Miami 10/21 115yds 1 td 1int

2016 Troy 14/28 167yds 0td 1int

That is an average of 50% comp. 148.2yds .6tds and 1.6int...

I am not of the opinion that Lamb doesn't have a good football mind or that he makes bad decisions because neither of those assertions are true. I think he will be a good coach some day like his father and, for the most part, he doesn't force things and knows when to throw the ball away. However, I just don't think he has the talent (arm-strength or accuracy) to perform against talented, athletic defenses. He's perfectly fine against the ULMs, ULLs, and Georgia States of the world, but lets be honest, these are some of the worst teams in college football in arguably the worst conference in college football.

I'm also not saying he's not the best we have right now because he probably is. I'm just hoping the staff has their guy in Derrick. Adding a QB that presents a real downfield threat paired with Moore in the backfield would take this team to the next level.

First, I think it is ridiculous to evenly factor games against ranked P5 teams with Sun Belt games. Second, I find it interesting you left out Lamb's numbers against Arkansas State in 2014 and 2015, ULL in 2014, and GS in 2015 which were all top teams in the conference.

2014 Ark. State: 14-22 255yds 2TD 0INT

2014 ULL: 11-22 195yds 1TD 1INT

2015 Ark. State: 22-35 321yds 4TD 1INT

2015 GS: 14-20 220yds 2TD 0INT

That is an average of 61.6% comp. 248yds 2.25TD .5INT. Interestingly enough the game he had the best stats was the only one we lost.

That is why I included the bit about being respected as good team on a national level, not in the Sun Belt. Winning a bunch of Sun Belt games isn't the best measurement as these are normally some of the worst teams in college football. 3/4 of the teams you mentioned have pretty dismal out-of-conference records against fbs teams:

2014 Ark. State: 1-3
2014 ULL: 1-3
2015 Ark. State: 0-4
2015 GS: 2-2 -- Ok this is definitely a team I should've included; after getting blown out by WVU 44-0 they went on to beat Bowling Green, W. Mich, and took Georgia to OT.

Just because the national talking heads aren't taking about these teams doesn't mean they are quality opponents. Still, I would say both ULL and Ark. State had respect on a national level in 2014 and Ark. State did in 2015 as well.

I think most everyone agrees that Lamb doesn't have a strong arm and therefore can't make every throw, but he is still an above average QB that has won a lot of games against the toughest schedules that any App QB has faced.

[NewApp]

Reminder: Troy only lost to Clemson by 6 points at Clemson earlier in the season.

[bigdaddyg]

This might be the most ridiculous threads I think I have ever read. Sometimes it takes 4 pages of back and forth to really see it. Do some of you guys picking his game apart have any idea how hard it is to play the position? I have never played so I don't know. What I do know is that in the NFL there are only a precious few who can really play. At the college level it's slightly higher. How many Alabama QB's have been successful as NFL QB's? I realize it's apples and oranges to an extent. Geez you can find shortcomings with any college QB. If he had a better arm would Satt call more pass plays? Seriously doubt it. I can't believe guys are pointing to individual games and making some knee jerk comments that if he had played better we would have won a game. You have got to be kidding.

[Rick83]

This might be the most ridiculous threads I think I have ever read. Sometimes it takes 4 pages of back and forth to really see it. Do some of you guys picking his game apart have any idea how hard it is to play the position? I have never played so I don't know. What I do know is that in the NFL there are only a precious few who can really play. At the college level it's slightly higher. How many Alabama QB's have been successful as NFL QB's? I realize it's apples and oranges to an extent. Geez you can find shortcomings with any college QB. If he had a better arm would Satt call more pass plays? Seriously doubt it. I can't believe guys are pointing to individual games and making some knee jerk comments that if he had played better we would have won a game. You have got to be kidding.

Dude...I am so in agreement..

[bigdaddyg]

Someone needs to start a Duck thread. If he had jumped higher that UT receiver would not have caught the TD pass. There are a bunch of running plays this year that failed because Cox and Moore didn't get the extra yards needed to extend the drives. Someone get a RB? thread going so that we can critique those dudes. For that matter John Law has missed some easy tackles this year. We probably have a better linebacker than him who might be better!

[Appdoggy]

Someone needs to start a Duck thread. If he had jumped higher that UT receiver would not have caught the TD pass. There are a bunch of running plays this year that failed because Cox and Moore didn't get the extra yards needed to extend the drives. Someone get a RB? thread going so that we can critique those dudes. For that matter John Law has missed some easy tackles this year. We probably have a better linebacker than him who might be better!

This is a shortsighted post. We're not talking about a single bad play here or there. The offense can only be as good as the person at QB and, if you haven't noticed, the guy we have there currently has struggled every time we've played a competent team. The difference between him and the guys you mentioned is that they all made plays in the big games when he, for the most part, has struggled immensely.

[Yosef10]

Here are Lamb's stats from every full game he's played against P-5 teams and against Sun Belt teams that were/are considered good on a national level.

2014 GA Southern 23/42 256 0td 2int

2015 Clemson 9/28 95 1td 3int -- Ok, ok this was against one of the best defenses in college football

2016 Tenn. 15/23 108yds 1td 1int -- Majority of these stats came from 1-foot passes...

2016 Miami 10/21 115yds 1 td 1int

2016 Troy 14/28 167yds 0td 1int

That is an average of 50% comp. 148.2yds .6tds and 1.6int...

I am not of the opinion that Lamb doesn't have a good football mind or that he makes bad decisions because neither of those assertions are true. I think he will be a good coach some day like his father and, for the most part, he doesn't force things and knows when to throw the ball away. However, I just don't think he has the talent (arm-strength or accuracy) to perform against talented, athletic defenses. He's perfectly fine against the ULMs, ULLs, and Georgia States of the world, but lets be honest, these are some of the worst teams in college football in arguably the worst conference in college football.

I'm also not saying he's not the best we have right now because he probably is. I'm just hoping the staff has their guy in Derrick. Adding a QB that presents a real downfield threat paired with Moore in the backfield would take this team to the next level.

First, I think it is ridiculous to evenly factor games against ranked P5 teams with Sun Belt games. Second, I find it interesting you left out Lamb's numbers against Arkansas State in 2014 and 2015, ULL in 2014, and GS in 2015 which were all top teams in the conference.

2014 Ark. State: 14-22 255yds 2TD 0INT

2014 ULL: 11-22 195yds 1TD 1INT

2015 Ark. State: 22-35 321yds 4TD 1INT

2015 GS: 14-20 220yds 2TD 0INT

That is an average of 61.6% comp. 248yds 2.25TD .5INT. Interestingly enough the game he had the best stats was the only one we lost.

That is why I included the bit about being respected as good team on a national level, not in the Sun Belt. Winning a bunch of Sun Belt games isn't the best measurement as these are normally some of the worst teams in college football. 3/4 of the teams you mentioned have pretty dismal out-of-conference records against fbs teams:

2014 Ark. State: 1-3
2014 ULL: 1-3
2015 Ark. State: 0-4
2015 GS: 2-2 -- Ok this is definitely a team I should've included; after getting blown out by WVU 44-0 they went on to beat Bowling Green, W. Mich, and took Georgia to OT.

Ark St lost those 3 games to UT, UM and Toledo. We would've gone 1-3 at best as well.
ULL lost those 3 to La Tech, Boise and Ole miss. We would've went 1-3 at best as well.
Ark state lost those 4 games to USC, Missouri, Toledo and La Tech, good chance we go 0-4 as well.

Just because we've done well since transition doesn't mean our team, QB included is head and shoulders over everyone else. We haven't even won the worst conference in CFB yet. Taylor is no better or worse than any other SBC QBs. He's par for the course. If you're disappointed by TL I don't think there is a QB that comes a long you'll be happy with save for AE 2.0.

[App91]

Reminder: Troy only lost to Clemson by 6 points at Clemson earlier in the season.

NC State lost in OT, Pitt Beat 'em, all at home, what's your point?

[NewApp]

Reminder: Troy only lost to Clemson by 6 points at Clemson earlier in the season.

NC State lost in OT, Pitt Beat 'em, all at home, what's your point?

Clemson supposedly plays at a higher level and Troy came close to defeating them. In my opinion that puts our close loss to Troy in perspective showing that Taylor Lamb was up against a strong team and we shouldn't be so critical of him. It wasn't like Lamb was up against Mars Hill.

[RollNeers]

Reminder: Troy only lost to Clemson by 6 points at Clemson earlier in the season.

We almost beat Tennessee and their QB had no issue with us.

[bigdaddyg]

Someone needs to start a Duck thread. If he had jumped higher that UT receiver would not have caught the TD pass. There are a bunch of running plays this year that failed because Cox and Moore didn't get the extra yards needed to extend the drives. Someone get a RB? thread going so that we can critique those dudes. For that matter John Law has missed some easy tackles this year. We probably have a better linebacker than him who might be better!

This is a shortsighted post. We're not talking about a single bad play here or there. The offense can only be as good as the person at QB and, if you haven't noticed, the guy we have there currently has struggled every time we've played a competent team. The difference between him and the guys you mentioned is that they all made plays in the big games when he, for the most part, has struggled immensely.

Fair enough but I interpreted a few posts as single play critical (or a few plays a game). Someone pointed out a play here or there against UT. My Duck comment wasn't literal but the same minute critiques can be applied to anybody. I also don't see how anyone can see the entire field when they are focusing on one position. Can you see if receivers are getting separation, running the right routes, getting open period? Can you see if the blocking schemes are done properly? Can you see the defensive scheme? The short answer is no. I would like TL to be closer to perfect, have a higher completion percentage and never throw a PIC. I am realistic and know that we are not going to sign a blue chip 5 star QB. I personally love the win percentage.

[Rekdiver]

Monday morning QBs....who makes better decisions, Taylor Lamb, Desean Watson or Mitch Tribisky? Hmmmm a strong arm isn't everything.

[bigdaddyg]

Monday morning QBs....who makes better decisions, Taylor Lamb, Desean Watson or Mitch Tribisky? Hmmmm a strong arm isn't everything.

Jeff George had a monster arm

[NewApp]

Reminder: Troy only lost to Clemson by 6 points at Clemson earlier in the season.

We almost beat Tennessee and their QB had no issue with us.

....with Lamb at QB.

[AppSt94]

Is it too early to start a Bench Caruso thread? I mean I'm sure we will have some hot shot Freshman in 2018 that is currently dominating his JV competition right now to give ole JP a run at the starting job.

[Appdoggy]

Good one

[bigdaddyg]

Good one

Ditto. Also might exist the stud running circles around undersized defenses in front of huge high school crowds of like 500 screaming fans.

[Seattleapp]

Reminder: Troy only lost to Clemson by 6 points at Clemson earlier in the season.

NC State lost in OT, Pitt Beat 'em, all at home, what's your point?

Clemson supposedly plays at a higher level and Troy came close to defeating them. In my opinion that puts our close loss to Troy in perspective showing that Taylor Lamb was up against a strong team and we shouldn't be so critical of him. It wasn't like Lamb was up against Mars Hill.

Dude you are totally missing the point. He plays poorly against the best teams.

[Seattleapp]

The bottom line is it's his job as quarterback to make the receivers better. Period. And he ain't doin them any favors by being inaccurate and underthrowing passes on a consistent basis. And like i continue to say, against Idaho, he's gangbusters. But that level of play will not beat good teams. It will beat teams that we will beat no matter who is at quarterback and this would not be a thread if we weren't almost done with his THIRD year as a starter.