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[ASUFan4863]

Now you’ve done it. You made Saint and I see eye to eye.

No one is calling for his job because of the on field product. And yes, you need to trust the process. However, there are instances where situations occur that make one question the hire being the right fit. Everyone has good and bad qualities. Sometimes you can tolerate the bad because of the good. That goes for coaches as well as over zealous donors. I don’t expect DLo to walk up to me with my favorite drink in hand and hit on me. But when you rely on the generosity of others to fund your program then you have to put forth some proactive effort to press the flesh.

Are there other things that are going on behind the scenes that are cause for concern? Absolutely. Are there things going on behind the scenes that resemble some of the same stuff that went on last year? Apparently so. And yes, just like you can fire an alum with an overall winning % over .500 and get someone to take the job, there are ways to remove a coach after one year without firing them and someone else will take the job.

I get your point but if we were 10-1 nobody would be pointing that out. The Patriots had a toxic environment but people called it the Patriot Way because they were winning. I kept reading people here and on 247 complain of lack of coach continuity as to why the offense would struggle and we should let this play out. If we are worse or no better in year 3 then we should consider a change.

So the argument against keeping last years staff was that it won’t get better under their watch. So you are willing to wait and see if this staff can do it? I understand the point and agree to an extent. But if those in charge can see that it’s a bad fit, then why wait? Again, you are looking at it from a wins and losses standpoint alone. Thats what fans do. And I do agree that he has had only 11 months. But we don’t have the luxury of seeing behind the curtain everyday. If we were 10-1 then that would mean that we were executing better and we were fortunate with injuries. And yes, folks would tolerate the bad because of the good. But going 10-1 against one of the softest schedules in CFB isn’t a flex. Going 5-6 against it with “96 years of NFL experience” seems meh.

You enjoy comparing things to the NFL. This isn’t the NFL. It’s college football. You can take elements of the NFL operation and incorporate them, but you can’t have a sustainable model that replicates the NFL. Especially at this level.

The argument against last years staff was that they were in year 5 and the program has cratered under their watch. This staff is in year 1 with an abbreviated offseason and is producing the exact same results with less continuity and less playing experience. Don’t you think that proves in of itself that a change was necessary?

Are you publicly advocating for another firing because you believe he isn’t a good fit because he doesn’t make drinking buddies like Clark did?

Since I have never advocated for the firing of anyone, I’m not about to start now. I was against the change last year in that time for reasons that I gave. Upon learning more about the situation after the fact, that were going on behind the scenes, I understand why it was made. You can assume it was made based on the on the field results if you like, but while there were discussions to make changes, that’s not what forced the change.

But I’ve also been privy to some information that tells me that nothing has changed in terms of the issues. We only changed out the leadership. The only difference between my relationship with DLo and my relationship with Shawn is that Shawn knew my name. Kerns knows my name, Sharp knows my name, Gillin knows my name. I guess in your eyes, that makes us drinking buddies. DLo was a below average NFL coach and a somewhat average college coach that no one at SC seemed to mind that he left. I know that your allegiance lies with anyone but Clark, and that’s fine, but let’s not pretend that he has done anything here that gives any indication that he is a better option.

How do you expect a decline that happened over 5 years to be fixed in 1? Of course the same issues exist. It’s ridiculous to think they wouldn’t. We just have a leader who is better equipped to fix them.

[AppSt94]

I get your point but if we were 10-1 nobody would be pointing that out. The Patriots had a toxic environment but people called it the Patriot Way because they were winning. I kept reading people here and on 247 complain of lack of coach continuity as to why the offense would struggle and we should let this play out. If we are worse or no better in year 3 then we should consider a change.

So the argument against keeping last years staff was that it won’t get better under their watch. So you are willing to wait and see if this staff can do it? I understand the point and agree to an extent. But if those in charge can see that it’s a bad fit, then why wait? Again, you are looking at it from a wins and losses standpoint alone. Thats what fans do. And I do agree that he has had only 11 months. But we don’t have the luxury of seeing behind the curtain everyday. If we were 10-1 then that would mean that we were executing better and we were fortunate with injuries. And yes, folks would tolerate the bad because of the good. But going 10-1 against one of the softest schedules in CFB isn’t a flex. Going 5-6 against it with “96 years of NFL experience” seems meh.

You enjoy comparing things to the NFL. This isn’t the NFL. It’s college football. You can take elements of the NFL operation and incorporate them, but you can’t have a sustainable model that replicates the NFL. Especially at this level.

The argument against last years staff was that they were in year 5 and the program has cratered under their watch. This staff is in year 1 with an abbreviated offseason and is producing the exact same results with less continuity and less playing experience. Don’t you think that proves in of itself that a change was necessary?

Are you publicly advocating for another firing because you believe he isn’t a good fit because he doesn’t make drinking buddies like Clark did?

Since I have never advocated for the firing of anyone, I’m not about to start now. I was against the change last year in that time for reasons that I gave. Upon learning more about the situation after the fact, that were going on behind the scenes, I understand why it was made. You can assume it was made based on the on the field results if you like, but while there were discussions to make changes, that’s not what forced the change.

But I’ve also been privy to some information that tells me that nothing has changed in terms of the issues. We only changed out the leadership. The only difference between my relationship with DLo and my relationship with Shawn is that Shawn knew my name. Kerns knows my name, Sharp knows my name, Gillin knows my name. I guess in your eyes, that makes us drinking buddies. DLo was a below average NFL coach and a somewhat average college coach that no one at SC seemed to mind that he left. I know that your allegiance lies with anyone but Clark, and that’s fine, but let’s not pretend that he has done anything here that gives any indication that he is a better option.

How do you expect a decline that happened over 5 years to be fixed in 1? Of course the same issues exist. It’s ridiculous to think they wouldn’t. We just have a leader who is better equipped to fix them.

If you are referring to DLo, we will agree to disagree.

[WASU 93]

How do you expect a decline that happened over 5 years to be fixed in 1? Of course the same issues exist. It’s ridiculous to think they wouldn’t. We just have a leader who is better equipped to fix them.
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Do you have any facts to support your opinion?

I hope DLo succeeds, but what are you seeing to back that statement?

[ASUFan4863]

How do you expect a decline that happened over 5 years to be fixed in 1? Of course the same issues exist. It’s ridiculous to think they wouldn’t. We just have a leader who is better equipped to fix them.

Do you have any facts to support your opinion?

I hope DLo succeeds, but what are you seeing to back that statement?
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One of the primary issues facing our program is lack of resources. How to compete in the new age when you are strapped financially? You recruit, recruit, recruit. That starts with high school recruiting and extends into the portal when needed.

Loggains can recruit. He can sell a vision and get players fired up to come here.

The main similarity between Loggains and Clark is that they are/were recruiting players who shouldn’t be here. The main difference is that Loggains is recruiting players who should be in the P4 and Clark was recruiting players who should be in FCS.

[ASUFan4863]

So the argument against keeping last years staff was that it won’t get better under their watch. So you are willing to wait and see if this staff can do it? I understand the point and agree to an extent. But if those in charge can see that it’s a bad fit, then why wait? Again, you are looking at it from a wins and losses standpoint alone. Thats what fans do. And I do agree that he has had only 11 months. But we don’t have the luxury of seeing behind the curtain everyday. If we were 10-1 then that would mean that we were executing better and we were fortunate with injuries. And yes, folks would tolerate the bad because of the good. But going 10-1 against one of the softest schedules in CFB isn’t a flex. Going 5-6 against it with “96 years of NFL experience” seems meh.

You enjoy comparing things to the NFL. This isn’t the NFL. It’s college football. You can take elements of the NFL operation and incorporate them, but you can’t have a sustainable model that replicates the NFL. Especially at this level.

The argument against last years staff was that they were in year 5 and the program has cratered under their watch. This staff is in year 1 with an abbreviated offseason and is producing the exact same results with less continuity and less playing experience. Don’t you think that proves in of itself that a change was necessary?

Are you publicly advocating for another firing because you believe he isn’t a good fit because he doesn’t make drinking buddies like Clark did?

Since I have never advocated for the firing of anyone, I’m not about to start now. I was against the change last year in that time for reasons that I gave. Upon learning more about the situation after the fact, that were going on behind the scenes, I understand why it was made. You can assume it was made based on the on the field results if you like, but while there were discussions to make changes, that’s not what forced the change.

But I’ve also been privy to some information that tells me that nothing has changed in terms of the issues. We only changed out the leadership. The only difference between my relationship with DLo and my relationship with Shawn is that Shawn knew my name. Kerns knows my name, Sharp knows my name, Gillin knows my name. I guess in your eyes, that makes us drinking buddies. DLo was a below average NFL coach and a somewhat average college coach that no one at SC seemed to mind that he left. I know that your allegiance lies with anyone but Clark, and that’s fine, but let’s not pretend that he has done anything here that gives any indication that he is a better option.

How do you expect a decline that happened over 5 years to be fixed in 1? Of course the same issues exist. It’s ridiculous to think they wouldn’t. We just have a leader who is better equipped to fix them.

If you are referring to DLo, we will agree to disagree.

You always act very high and mighty by saying things such as “I will support DLo and will always want him to succeed”. The truth is, is that you don’t want him to succeed. You want him to fail so you can get on here and other places and say, SEE! TOLD YOU SO! We just snapped a 4 game losing streak and are 1 game away from accomplishing what your buddy couldn’t last year - a bowl opportunity.

However, have you said 1 positive thing about the win? Have you complimented anything about the game? Have you actually supported the program the way you claim you do? All you’ve done since Saturday is say DLo is a bad fit, should be fired, doesn’t talk to you like you deserve, isn’t cut out for the job and that there is no point to wait and see because it’s time to make a change now.

So, I ask you. Nay, I implore you to say one positive about the win Saturday. I bet you can’t bring yourself to do it because you are so blinded by your hatred for Loggains.

[AppStFan1]

So the argument against keeping last years staff was that it won’t get better under their watch. So you are willing to wait and see if this staff can do it? I understand the point and agree to an extent. But if those in charge can see that it’s a bad fit, then why wait? Again, you are looking at it from a wins and losses standpoint alone. Thats what fans do. And I do agree that he has had only 11 months. But we don’t have the luxury of seeing behind the curtain everyday. If we were 10-1 then that would mean that we were executing better and we were fortunate with injuries. And yes, folks would tolerate the bad because of the good. But going 10-1 against one of the softest schedules in CFB isn’t a flex. Going 5-6 against it with “96 years of NFL experience” seems meh.

You enjoy comparing things to the NFL. This isn’t the NFL. It’s college football. You can take elements of the NFL operation and incorporate them, but you can’t have a sustainable model that replicates the NFL. Especially at this level.

The argument against last years staff was that they were in year 5 and the program has cratered under their watch. This staff is in year 1 with an abbreviated offseason and is producing the exact same results with less continuity and less playing experience. Don’t you think that proves in of itself that a change was necessary?

Are you publicly advocating for another firing because you believe he isn’t a good fit because he doesn’t make drinking buddies like Clark did?

Since I have never advocated for the firing of anyone, I’m not about to start now. I was against the change last year in that time for reasons that I gave. Upon learning more about the situation after the fact, that were going on behind the scenes, I understand why it was made. You can assume it was made based on the on the field results if you like, but while there were discussions to make changes, that’s not what forced the change.

But I’ve also been privy to some information that tells me that nothing has changed in terms of the issues. We only changed out the leadership. The only difference between my relationship with DLo and my relationship with Shawn is that Shawn knew my name. Kerns knows my name, Sharp knows my name, Gillin knows my name. I guess in your eyes, that makes us drinking buddies. DLo was a below average NFL coach and a somewhat average college coach that no one at SC seemed to mind that he left. I know that your allegiance lies with anyone but Clark, and that’s fine, but let’s not pretend that he has done anything here that gives any indication that he is a better option.

How do you expect a decline that happened over 5 years to be fixed in 1? Of course the same issues exist. It’s ridiculous to think they wouldn’t. We just have a leader who is better equipped to fix them.

If you are referring to DLo, we will agree to disagree.

To put a bow on this. My whole point is that we don't know either way for sure yet because there has not been enough time. I have seen coaches struggle at first and then get it all under control and do very well while others let it slip and never get a grip on things. He might be right and you might be right but we just need more time.

[AppStFan1]

How do you expect a decline that happened over 5 years to be fixed in 1? Of course the same issues exist. It’s ridiculous to think they wouldn’t. We just have a leader who is better equipped to fix them.

Do you have any facts to support your opinion?

I hope DLo succeeds, but what are you seeing to back that statement?
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I am also curious. I think there is a lot of hearsay and usually the people who talk the most within the media, COE, and the admin tend to have a certain agenda one way or the other. If he is so bad for us I want to know what exactly it is.

[Stonewall]

My agenda is winning , with class .And staying out of trouble.

[bcoach]

I don't think he was a good hire, but I am not in the group that want's to fire him right now. We can't afford it anyway. Now with that said I don't see what he has brought to the table so far. He has a lot more money to work with but I see no results so far. We need to find out if he want's to be a head coach or an OC. There is way too much for the head coach to do and be the OC also. If you are trying to do two jobs you are not spending enough time on one of them. The bad choice to do both lays in the lap of the AD. He needs to correct his mistakes. If DLo does not work out we need to have someone who can make the decision to hire an experienced COLLEGE head coach. I hope he works out because if he does not it means we fail somemore and I want us to win. If he does not work out we need an administrator who can make better decisions.

[Stonewall]

To be clear , the AD owns the hiring decision and he knows it .

[BallantyneApp]

To be clear , the AD owns the hiring decision and he knows it .

ipso facto if this one doesn’t work out he probably won’t be picking the next coach

[AppStFan1]

To be clear , the AD owns the hiring decision and he knows it .

ipso facto if this one doesn’t work out he probably won’t be picking the next coach

That is what I would think as well. It just shows how powerful football is that an AD could make tons of good hires but if they make multiple bad football hires they could be fired.

[Seattleapp]

You always act very high and mighty by saying things such as “I will support DLo and will always want him to succeed”. The truth is, is that you don’t want him to succeed. You want him to fail so you can get on here and other places and say, SEE! TOLD YOU SO! We just snapped a 4 game losing streak and are 1 game away from accomplishing what your buddy couldn’t last year - a bowl opportunity.

However, have you said 1 positive thing about the win? Have you complimented anything about the game? Have you actually supported the program the way you claim you do? All you’ve done since Saturday is say DLo is a bad fit, should be fired, doesn’t talk to you like you deserve, isn’t cut out for the job and that there is no point to wait and see because it’s time to make a change now.

So, I ask you. Nay, I implore you to say one positive about the win Saturday. I bet you can’t bring yourself to do it because you are so blinded by your hatred for Loggains.
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Are people not allowed to critique DLO? You attack 94 for now fawning over him as you take a classless swipe at the LATE Shawn Clark.

[mike87]

To be clear , the AD owns the hiring decision and he knows it .

ipso facto if this one doesn’t work out he probably won’t be picking the next coach

That is what I would think as well. It just shows how powerful football is that an AD could make tons of good hires but if they make multiple bad football hires they could be fired.

who are the multiple bad football hires?