Dowell Loggains SI Article

[ASUFan4863]

I found this article today and had not seen it previously or seen it shared anywhere so I am linking it here. It was a very good ready and got me excited for the upcoming season.

https://www.si.com/college/arkansas/foo ... razorbacks

[Seattleapp]

Appreciate you sharing the article, but besides it being poorly written, it was a pretty depressing account of what the current landscape is. And should DL enjoy any success he’s outta here with the first good offer.

[Yosef10]

Appreciate you sharing the article, but besides it being poorly written, it was a pretty depressing account of what the current landscape is. And should DL enjoy any success he’s outta here with the first good offer.

What’s depressing about it? Sounds like a microcosm of American life to me. And yes, outside of a shooting star in Jerry Moore, folks are always going to be looking to move up in their profession. I don’t see that as depressing.

[Seattleapp]

Appreciate you sharing the article, but besides it being poorly written, it was a pretty depressing account of what the current landscape is. And should DL enjoy any success he’s outta here with the first good offer.

What’s depressing about it? Sounds like a microcosm of American life to me. And yes, outside of a shooting star in Jerry Moore, folks are always going to be looking to move up in their profession. I don’t see that as depressing.

I know I’m in the minority here, but I’m never going to love what college sports have turned into. Entitled teenagers shaking down pretty much everyone so they can pretend to be a student athlete for a year before they go shakedown another school, all while guys like DL grind and grind year after year coaching those kids for a fraction of the money. That’s what’s depressing to me. And no it’s not a microcosm of American life. It’s actually the opposite of what American life is. No entry level employee walks in and makes more than everyone else.

[ASUFan4863]

Most people don’t have App State at the top of their career aspirations. I don’t think that’s a bad thing to say.

[EastHallApp]

While I don't doubt Loggains, like most coaches, would look to move on to a bigger job if given the opportunity, I didn't see him say anything like that in the article. The author himself made a few comparisons to other jobs, and then awkwardly inserted the line about "one day maybe he'll finally get to be the head coach at Arkansas." Which is obviously a much higher-profile and higher-paying job than App, but probably not atop most coaches' list of dream jobs. In any case, that's not really the focus of the article at all. It's about how he's navigating coaching at recruiting at App given the resources that are available at this level.

Anyway, like most SI articles, no, the writing isn't top-quality, but the interview quotes are worth a read IMO.

[appfanjj]

Most people don’t have App State at the top of their career aspirations. I don’t think that’s a bad thing to say.

I would rather have a head coach who does not see us as their career dream job than one that does.
It means they see the value in coming to App and will work diligently to make the program better while increasing their own market value. They have self confidence.
Then we hire the next Satterfield, Drinkwitz, or hopefully Loggains.

Some may argue this point.

[AtlAppMan]

I liked the article. There is really nothing in there that surprises me but it does give some insight into what DLo is thinking as he interviews players. He is also realistic that to compete there will be a few that you do you have to "play the money game" with them. He tries to strike a balance and load the team with as many players that really want to be there for the right reasons. Also the writer is the one speculating about the next level not DLo and, again, not be surprise to anyone that is reasonable.

[Seattleapp]

I liked the article. There is really nothing in there that surprises me but it does give some insight into what DLo is thinking as he interviews players. He is also realistic that to compete there will be a few that you do you have to "play the money game" with them. He tries to strike a balance and load the team with as many players that really want to be there for the right reasons. Also the writer is the one speculating about the next level not DLo and, again, not be surprise to anyone that is reasonable.

That’s a pretty good assessment!

[ASUFan4863]

Agree it was the author, not Loggains making that Arkansas reference.
Now that I think about it, It appears that most Alumni don’t actually work out as HC. Maybe it is the pressure, internally and externally, that creates the rifts.

[Bigdaddyg1]

I’ve asked many times about what I would perceive as locker room envy. Some have agreed it must exist and some dismiss the notion. You see those pro guys who sometimes make the public statements about their teammates “getting the bag”. Human nature and competitiveness exists. There is no way in hell otherwise poorer 18-22 year olds don’t envy the teammate with big NIL, that same 18-22 year old who practices daily, blocks for that NIL overpaid star. I love the guys here who were all in on paying players years ago. It’s going to erupt in some locker rooms guaranteed.

[EastHallApp]

Agree it was the author, not Loggains making that Arkansas reference.
Now that I think about it, It appears that most Alumni don’t actually work out as HC. Maybe it is the pressure, internally and externally, that creates the rifts.

But most coaching hires don't work out, period. Do alumni do worse than everyone else? I don't know that answer.

[EastHallApp]

Most people don’t have App State at the top of their career aspirations. I don’t think that’s a bad thing to say.

I would rather have a head coach who does not see us as their career dream job than one that does.
It means they see the value in coming to App and will work diligently to make the program better while increasing their own market value. They have self confidence.
Then we hire the next Satterfield, Drinkwitz, or hopefully Loggains.

Some may argue this point.

In a perfect world, I'd love to have a great coach who wants to spend his whole career at App.

The problem is, doing a search that way would force you to eliminate virtually all qualified candidates for the job.

And even if you do hire someone who dreamed of this job - which I imagine Satt did at the time he was hired - eventually, if he wins enough, he's going to start getting the kind of offers that make you think maybe you have a new dream to chase.

[appvette]

I’ve asked many times about what I would perceive as locker room envy. Some have agreed it must exist and some dismiss the notion. You see those pro guys who sometimes make the public statements about their teammates “getting the bag”. Human nature and competitiveness exists. There is no way in hell otherwise poorer 18-22 year olds don’t envy the teammate with big NIL, that same 18-22 year old who practices daily, blocks for that NIL overpaid star. I love the guys here who were all in on paying players years ago. It’s going to erupt in some locker rooms guaranteed.

I assume that it's not a problem in some cases where everyone sees the star player making more because they know they deserve it. But when some players come in with a big deal and don't pan out, I imagine players that perform well with little or no deal get angry.

[ASUFan4863]

Agree it was the author, not Loggains making that Arkansas reference.
Now that I think about it, It appears that most Alumni don’t actually work out as HC. Maybe it is the pressure, internally and externally, that creates the rifts.

But most coaching hires don't work out, period. Do alumni do worse than everyone else? I don't know that answer.

I don’t think it makes a difference with on-field results. It was probably just recency bias for me to say that with a few notable coaches flaming out and being fired in recent seasons like Clark, Frost (Nebraska), Avalos (Boise)

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/it ... lp-either/

[mike87]

Just win baby. that's all you gotta do.

[Stonewall]

I’ve asked many times about what I would perceive as locker room envy. Some have agreed it must exist and some dismiss the notion. You see those pro guys who sometimes make the public statements about their teammates “getting the bag”. Human nature and competitiveness exists. There is no way in hell otherwise poorer 18-22 year olds don’t envy the teammate with big NIL, that same 18-22 year old who practices daily, blocks for that NIL overpaid star. I love the guys here who were all in on paying players years ago. It’s going to erupt in some locker rooms guaranteed.

A preseason number one learned about this the hard way a few years back , as it was related to me by a former coach.

[Pikapp79]

Just win baby. that's all you gotta do.

And the big contract will come.

[fjblair]

I’ve asked many times about what I would perceive as locker room envy. Some have agreed it must exist and some dismiss the notion. You see those pro guys who sometimes make the public statements about their teammates “getting the bag”. Human nature and competitiveness exists. There is no way in hell otherwise poorer 18-22 year olds don’t envy the teammate with big NIL, that same 18-22 year old who practices daily, blocks for that NIL overpaid star. I love the guys here who were all in on paying players years ago. It’s going to erupt in some locker rooms guaranteed.

Absolutely, it will eventually become a cancer in the locker room.

[BambooRdApp]

The NFL deals with very high salaries at QB and significantly less at OL for each of the 32 teams. Good coaching and culture can make it work.