High Country Hurricane Damage

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Stonewall » Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:51 am

BambooRdApp wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:33 am
Stonewall wrote:
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FEMA was overwhelmed. I get it. No one could have foreseen this level of devastation. Again if you aren’t living it you are unlikely to understand. My criticism is not of them . I do believe that whoever failed to authorize the deployment of troops on stand by the day of the event should be held accountable.
Especially with Fort Bragg, Camp Lejeune, Seymour, etc. right on our back yard so to speak. Given the devastation known as early Friday morning, may helped to locate people more quickly and ID immediate needs, etc ..that has been my issue...
Yes. I can’t say it would have saved lives. We will never know. But I do know they were ready , and anxious to do their thing. What they uniquely can do.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Saint3333 » Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:54 am

WVAPPeer wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:07 am
Saint3333 wrote:
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Everyone understands the foreign aid is budgeted, however those using a level of discernment are questioning should that level of capital allocation be there from those programs versus helping those in need domestically.
We don't get to choose where the tax dollars are allocated - however I absolutely don't believe there is one person on here if given the choice, who wouldn't send every penny possible to help those in need in our country.
This currently isn’t a communist country so indirectly we do.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by AppDub » Wed Oct 09, 2024 11:06 am

311neers wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:48 am
Seattleapp wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:30 am
pop5app wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:28 am
Seattleapp wrote:
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Do not call me a liar!
Well then don’t lie. It’s pretty simple. I’m glad your community and you are pulling together to help one another and if I could I’d shake your hand for that but I’m not going to allow falsehoods regarding fema
To be spread by those who have a different agenda. The bottom line is nationally no one cares about poor rural folks in Appalachia. They just don’t.
Out of my entire post you chose FEMA to be your complaint. Sounds like y
YOU have AN anti government agenda. And I don’t lie. Don’t call me a liar!
Yeah I have an anti government agenda. You got me. I’ll still give you credit for helping your community. I’ll still challenge your assertion that fema has responded promptly.
Co-worker is in the National Guard. He just returned from his 10 day deployment to Augusta and Asheville. Said they beat FEMA by a couple of days in response time and all FEMA did was hold a clipboard and collect money while they were there.
Be careful of spreading mis-information. Of course freedom loving folks would call it exercising your 1st ammendment right.
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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Seattleapp » Wed Oct 09, 2024 11:31 am

BambooRdApp wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:33 am
Stonewall wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:25 am
FEMA was overwhelmed. I get it. No one could have foreseen this level of devastation. Again if you aren’t living it you are unlikely to understand. My criticism is not of them . I do believe that whoever failed to authorize the deployment of troops on stand by the day of the event should be held accountable.
Especially with Fort Bragg, Camp Lejeune, Seymour, etc. right on our back yard so to speak. Given the devastation known as early Friday morning, may helped to locate people more quickly and ID immediate needs, etc ..that has been my issue...
The Redneck Air Force is crushing it!

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by hapapp » Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:03 pm

Mjohn1988 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:15 am
WVAPPeer wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:07 am
Saint3333 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:31 am
Everyone understands the foreign aid is budgeted, however those using a level of discernment are questioning should that level of capital allocation be there from those programs versus helping those in need domestically.
We don't get to choose where the tax dollars are allocated - however I absolutely don't believe there is one person on here if given the choice, who wouldn't send every penny possible to help those in need in our country.
I beg to differ. As a country we get to decide who represents us in DC. If we send the right people and hold their feet to the fire we do get to decide how tax dollars are spent. It’s not easy to send the right people and it’s very hard to control them once they get to DC but it can be done. As a whole we the people have gotten to be lazy about the whole process. The thing we really need to do is to keep most of the money away from DC and in the state treasury. It’s much easier to control folks at the state level and our state actually has to have and stay within a budget. When you have basically unlimited funds like our federal government does it’s real easy to spend money.
Its not like the money that the federal government collects doesn't return to the states.
https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/stat ... -rankings/

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:44 pm

hapapp wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:03 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:15 am
WVAPPeer wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:07 am
Saint3333 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:31 am
Everyone understands the foreign aid is budgeted, however those using a level of discernment are questioning should that level of capital allocation be there from those programs versus helping those in need domestically.
We don't get to choose where the tax dollars are allocated - however I absolutely don't believe there is one person on here if given the choice, who wouldn't send every penny possible to help those in need in our country.
I beg to differ. As a country we get to decide who represents us in DC. If we send the right people and hold their feet to the fire we do get to decide how tax dollars are spent. It’s not easy to send the right people and it’s very hard to control them once they get to DC but it can be done. As a whole we the people have gotten to be lazy about the whole process. The thing we really need to do is to keep most of the money away from DC and in the state treasury. It’s much easier to control folks at the state level and our state actually has to have and stay within a budget. When you have basically unlimited funds like our federal government does it’s real easy to spend money.
Its not like the money that the federal government collects doesn't return to the states.
https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/stat ... -rankings/
Some of it, the money that went to Lebanon isn’t coming back and I will bet there are pretty hefty administrative fees on the money that does come back. And there are usually strings attached, do this and we will give some of your money back. I liken it to blackmail. I’m not saying there is no purpose for the federal government but I’m a small local and state government guy. The thing that jumps out to me in the information you shared is that federal support may allow some states to continue poor policy. If you can make up budget deficits with federal dollars do you really have an insensitive to solve problems. If states are forced to stand on there own two feet they will be forced to make better policy decisions or risk there population moving to states who make better decisions. It’s called voting with your feet. Removing overarching federal policy is also good for diversity and freedom in general. NC can be different than CA. There is a perfect example of this going on in Montana right now. The federal department of education is withholding funds because Montana isn’t meeting some federal DEI hiring standard. A (D) senator from Montana is pleading his case and saying Montana needs to be allowed to be Montana. But the federal government has the money. I say the money never should have gone to DC and Montana could have been Montana. But this is getting deep now.
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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Bootsy » Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:40 pm

Small business owners are a critical part of WNC communities and economies. And many are really hurting from storm damage, not to mention losing out on a leaf-lookers and the revenue they bring. Two weeks ago, I had a conversation with a neighbor in BE who happens to be from Florida. I mentioned that it will probably take a good while before things get back to normal and businesses reopen. He disagreed, saying that it will happen fast because "all that federal money will flow in soon to rebuild."

Like many of you, I don't think anyone in our federal government cares much about WNC, regardless of their political affiliation. But they will care a lot about what happens from Milton's beatdown on the Sunshine State.

Florida: lots of voters. WNC: not so many.

On a related note...I absolutely will NOT be able to suffer next summer is 100-year old Floridians whining about the inconvenience because businesses they patronized in the HC are no longer around.

[rant over]

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Saint3333 » Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:54 pm

The local government response in Florida pre hurricane is quite impressive. They are getting out in front of this. Will be interesting to see how they weather this storm, looks like a bad one.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by BeauFoster » Wed Oct 09, 2024 3:58 pm

I think it’s time to lock this thread or get it back on track talking about specific damage (damage porn, if you will). It’s veered completely into “my politics is better than your politics” and there’s enough of that mess on every other platform.
Give 'em hell!

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:14 pm

Our daughter and son-in-law (both APP grads) are heading up to Ashe Co. with truckloads of supplies on Friday morning - Very happy they are able to do this to help.
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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by mountaineerman » Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:33 pm

WVAPPeer wrote:
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Our daughter and son-in-law (both APP grads) are heading up to Ashe Co. with truckloads of supplies on Friday morning - Very happy they are able to do this to help.
Awesome. I had to tell this poor fellow this was not my scope of work. He’s heartbroken. I turned him onto my engineer. It has been one crushed house after one crushed house overwhelming honestly.
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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Stonewall » Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:59 am

We have stacks and stacks of water piled up and it keeps rolling in. Non perishable food is a bigger need. Better is donation to Sams Purse as they cover so many needs.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by 311neers » Thu Oct 10, 2024 8:18 am

Stonewall wrote:
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We have stacks and stacks of water piled up and it keeps rolling in. Non perishable food is a bigger need. Better is donation to Sams Purse as they cover so many needs.
That's great to know, thank you for this. We had planned to bring a bunch of water but will now load up non-perishables. Making a COSCO run today and flying supplies to Asheville tomorrow. Will fill as much as the plane weight allows! We had to schedule our flight a few days ago, the air traffic is very busy and loaded up as of right now. But, that's a good thing... a lot of hands wanting to help.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Stonewall » Thu Oct 10, 2024 8:47 am

the Salvation Army fed us , somehow, the first night first responders, on through the weekend. We joked that we weren’t really sure what we were eating but it tasted like ….love.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Stonewall » Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:54 pm

First aid supplies . Baby and feminine hygiene products. Baby formula.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by App_in_Maiden » Thu Oct 10, 2024 6:02 pm

Stonewall wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:54 pm
First aid supplies . Baby and feminine hygiene products. Baby formula.
Diapers and formula were hard to find last week at Sam’s in hickory. We had someone from work take supplies up to Boone last Friday and I went to Sam’s Wednesday to buy what I could for him to take. Only about 12 boxes of diapers and 2 things of formula were there at 10 am. Hope it’s better now.
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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by appdaze » Thu Oct 10, 2024 6:14 pm

Thats been an issue the last week in the foothills. People are cleaning out the stores to send them up the mountain for a good cause, but its causing stress for those in need down the mountain.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Stonewall » Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:04 pm

Thank you for whatever you can do. You are making a difference and not just materially. The fact that people like you care is just about as important.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Bootsy » Thu Oct 10, 2024 8:58 pm

Everyone, sharing an update here from Town of Banner Elk-

"Temperatures are starting to fall in the HC and there is a real need for cold-weather supplies like:
  • Heaters
  • New Sleeping bags
  • New Blankets
  • New Jackets (adult & child)
Important: No matter the size of the donation, please contact the agency you want to help before making a delivery. At this time, many relief agencies are overwhelmed and need to pause donations. This is because so many non-cold weather supplies have been received, they need to be diverted to larger warehouses where they will be stored for future distribution in Avery County."

I realize this might sound like a contradiction, but there are still needs. And thanks again to everyone who has given so selflessly during this trying time!

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