High Country Hurricane Damage

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Saint3333 » Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:56 am

Aid to foreign countries doesn’t seem to take long and is unlimited. Sad.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Rick83 » Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:25 am

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Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:56 am
Aid to foreign countries doesn’t seem to take long and is unlimited. Sad.
Sad indeed. The $157 million for Lebanon did not require an act of Congress but the additional FEMA funds that are about to run out does require an act of Congress. I also don't get why we're providing aid and assistance to the enemy of our friend and ally, Israel. The aid and assistance should be withheld until the enemy capitulates and agrees to lay down their arms. Lebanon allows Hezbollah to operate openly and freely and Hezbollah's sole purpose in life is to kill Israelis and eliminate the Jewish state from existence. I have nothing against the Lebanese people but they need to stop supporting terrorist organizations.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by pop5app » Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:28 am

Seattleapp wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:42 am
pop5app wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 5:34 am
Seattleapp wrote:
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I live in Vilas along Old 421. Cove creek ravaged the valley. I have seen nothing but a fantastic coordinated effort by volunteers, blue ridge electric, cable cos, DOT , law enforcement, emergency personnel and FEMA. From day one it has been a great effort by all. We are already seeing much improvement. I quit bitching and rolled my sleeves up with everyone else out here.
FEMA was not there on day one. Many others were. Stop lying
Do not call me a liar!
Well then don’t lie. It’s pretty simple. I’m glad your community and you are pulling together to help one another and if I could I’d shake your hand for that but I’m not going to allow falsehoods regarding fema
To be spread by those who have a different agenda. The bottom line is nationally no one cares about poor rural folks in Appalachia. They just don’t.
Out of my entire post you chose FEMA to be your complaint. Sounds like y
YOU have AN anti government agenda. And I don’t lie. Don’t call me a liar!

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Seattleapp » Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:30 am

pop5app wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:28 am
Seattleapp wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:42 am
pop5app wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 5:34 am
Seattleapp wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 10:16 pm
pop5app wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:43 am
I live in Vilas along Old 421. Cove creek ravaged the valley. I have seen nothing but a fantastic coordinated effort by volunteers, blue ridge electric, cable cos, DOT , law enforcement, emergency personnel and FEMA. From day one it has been a great effort by all. We are already seeing much improvement. I quit bitching and rolled my sleeves up with everyone else out here.
FEMA was not there on day one. Many others were. Stop lying
Do not call me a liar!
Well then don’t lie. It’s pretty simple. I’m glad your community and you are pulling together to help one another and if I could I’d shake your hand for that but I’m not going to allow falsehoods regarding fema
To be spread by those who have a different agenda. The bottom line is nationally no one cares about poor rural folks in Appalachia. They just don’t.
Out of my entire post you chose FEMA to be your complaint. Sounds like y
YOU have AN anti government agenda. And I don’t lie. Don’t call me a liar!
Yeah I have an anti government agenda. You got me. I’ll still give you credit for helping your community. I’ll still challenge your assertion that fema has responded promptly.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by hapapp » Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:35 am

Seattleapp wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:37 am
hapapp wrote:
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I'm certain you personally have not!
Obviously I haven't. I'm sure folks are frustrated as would anyone in that situation but there has been no evidence to suggest that what the government is doing in other areas as hampered the response here.
If you don’t know personally maybe you should stop posting lest your
Ideological
Ignorance show through
I made no mention of the response to WNC. My comments had nothing to do with the specific job FEMA was doing in the area. But, please don't suggest that this whole relief effort has been politicized by people on the left when there is a guy in a red tie who continues to perpetuate lie after lie about the resources FEMA has at its disposal. This is a devastatingly tragic event that needs not be political. As I acknowledged, I'm not in position to judge the timeliness or effectiveness of the relief effort but it seems clear that everyone's experience is different and I doubt you can speak for everyone in the region.
I’ve been all over the region. You don’t like the guy in the red tie so you are gonna go hard the other way and Prop up fema’s response and normally I would do care but you are taking the wrong stance now. You may not like that guy which is fine but pushing your own falsehood just to counter him makes you look like a typical politics over everything hack. And if that red tie was in office currently you’d be agreeing g with my posts. Again, I’ve seen a large area of wnc and East Tenn over the past 10 days. I don’t care what either side is saying. What I do care about is saying what I’ve seen and haven’t seen personally and that’s the actual truth
Where did I prop up FEMA's response? Did you read my post. I said I can't speak to the response to the region. I can speak to the misinformation that some continue to perpetuate with regards to what resources FEMA has put towards this disaster. That's all I can speak to. Please don't extrapolate from comments that I am disputing what you say.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by hapapp » Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:48 am

Rick83 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:25 am
Saint3333 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:56 am
Aid to foreign countries doesn’t seem to take long and is unlimited. Sad.
Sad indeed. The $157 million for Lebanon did not require an act of Congress but the additional FEMA funds that are about to run out does require an act of Congress. I also don't get why we're providing aid and assistance to the enemy of our friend and ally, Israel. The aid and assistance should be withheld until the enemy capitulates and agrees to lay down their arms. Lebanon allows Hezbollah to operate openly and freely and Hezbollah's sole purpose in life is to kill Israelis and eliminate the Jewish state from existence. I have nothing against the Lebanese people but they need to stop supporting terrorist organizations.
The $157m was already budgeted, in other words it was passed by congress as a part of the State Department and USAID budgets. The FEMA funds are not about to run out. What was said is that they could be in danger of such if the season continues as it has. We are supplying Israel with what they are using to defend themselves. The U.S. provides Israel with about $3.5B a year. Lebanon is not in a situation where it can prevent Hezbollah from existing. Of course, the more innocent Lebanese citizens are killed, the more support for Hezbollah. Its not as simple. The U.S. is trying to prop up the Lebanese army so that at some point they can counter Hezbollah. Lebanon is a complex place with both Muslim sects with varying degrees of power and a Christian minority (the largest Christian population in the Middle East).

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by 311neers » Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:48 am

Seattleapp wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:30 am
pop5app wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:28 am
Seattleapp wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:42 am
pop5app wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 5:34 am
Seattleapp wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 10:16 pm

FEMA was not there on day one. Many others were. Stop lying
Do not call me a liar!
Well then don’t lie. It’s pretty simple. I’m glad your community and you are pulling together to help one another and if I could I’d shake your hand for that but I’m not going to allow falsehoods regarding fema
To be spread by those who have a different agenda. The bottom line is nationally no one cares about poor rural folks in Appalachia. They just don’t.
Out of my entire post you chose FEMA to be your complaint. Sounds like y
YOU have AN anti government agenda. And I don’t lie. Don’t call me a liar!
Yeah I have an anti government agenda. You got me. I’ll still give you credit for helping your community. I’ll still challenge your assertion that fema has responded promptly.
Co-worker is in the National Guard. He just returned from his 10 day deployment to Augusta and Asheville. Said they beat FEMA by a couple of days in response time and all FEMA did was hold a clipboard and collect money while they were there.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:58 am

mountaineerman wrote:
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From FoxNews "Speaker of the House Mike Johnson addressed claims that the Biden administration diverted Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) funds to immigration efforts, saying the pools of funds are "different,""
From The Hill
"Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) on Tuesday said Congress has already authorized the disaster relief funds needed for the immediate response to Helene, the storm that has ravaged multiple states from Florida up through western North Carolina and Tennessee.

Speaking at the New York Stock Exchange before delivering remarks on his economic agenda, Johnson noted a replenishment of the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s (FEMA) disaster relief fund was included in a three-month stopgap government funding bill that Congress passed, and that President Biden signed into law, last week.


“Congress has previously provided the funds it [FEMA] needs to respond, so we will make sure that those resources are appropriately allocated,” Johnson said.
Rek and you are undisputed kings of gaslighting enjoy the thrown!
You do understand that these are quotes from the Speaker of the House about the funding - if you read anything else into it then it is you who has the problem
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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by goapps » Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:01 am

hapapp wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:48 am
Rick83 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:25 am
Saint3333 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:56 am
Aid to foreign countries doesn’t seem to take long and is unlimited. Sad.
Sad indeed. The $157 million for Lebanon did not require an act of Congress but the additional FEMA funds that are about to run out does require an act of Congress. I also don't get why we're providing aid and assistance to the enemy of our friend and ally, Israel. The aid and assistance should be withheld until the enemy capitulates and agrees to lay down their arms. Lebanon allows Hezbollah to operate openly and freely and Hezbollah's sole purpose in life is to kill Israelis and eliminate the Jewish state from existence. I have nothing against the Lebanese people but they need to stop supporting terrorist organizations.
The $157m was already budgeted, in other words it was passed by congress as a part of the State Department and USAID budgets. The FEMA funds are not about to run out. What was said is that they could be in danger of such if the season continues as it has. We are supplying Israel with what they are using to defend themselves. The U.S. provides Israel with about $3.5B a year. Lebanon is not in a situation where it can prevent Hezbollah from existing. Of course, the more innocent Lebanese citizens are killed, the more support for Hezbollah. Its not as simple. The U.S. is trying to prop up the Lebanese army so that at some point they can counter Hezbollah. Lebanon is a complex place with both Muslim sects with varying degrees of power and a Christian minority (the largest Christian population in the Middle East).
Don't come at 'em with facts, they hate that.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Rick83 » Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:06 am

hapapp wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:48 am
Rick83 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:25 am
Saint3333 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:56 am
Aid to foreign countries doesn’t seem to take long and is unlimited. Sad.
Sad indeed. The $157 million for Lebanon did not require an act of Congress but the additional FEMA funds that are about to run out does require an act of Congress. I also don't get why we're providing aid and assistance to the enemy of our friend and ally, Israel. The aid and assistance should be withheld until the enemy capitulates and agrees to lay down their arms. Lebanon allows Hezbollah to operate openly and freely and Hezbollah's sole purpose in life is to kill Israelis and eliminate the Jewish state from existence. I have nothing against the Lebanese people but they need to stop supporting terrorist organizations.
The $157m was already budgeted, in other words it was passed by congress as a part of the State Department and USAID budgets. The FEMA funds are not about to run out. What was said is that they could be in danger of such if the season continues as it has. We are supplying Israel with what they are using to defend themselves. The U.S. provides Israel with about $3.5B a year. Lebanon is not in a situation where it can prevent Hezbollah from existing. Of course, the more innocent Lebanese citizens are killed, the more support for Hezbollah. Its not as simple. The U.S. is trying to prop up the Lebanese army so that at some point they can counter Hezbollah. Lebanon is a complex place with both Muslim sects with varying degrees of power and a Christian minority (the largest Christian population in the Middle East).
Direct quote from Mayorkis:
“We are meeting the immediate needs with the money that we have. We are expecting another hurricane hitting,” Mayorkas said. “FEMA does not have the funds to make it through the season.” I interpret that to mean that the money's about to run out, perhaps you interpret it differently?
Here's an article link: https://apnews.com/article/hurricane-he ... 410cf2c1cb

Funds are moved and re-appropriated all the time in the Federal Government. Anyone with any sense can figure out that they announced the Lebanon funding at this time (literally days away from election day) to try to bring back the Arab/Muslim Democratic base to support Harris as they've threatened to withhold their votes which could mean the difference in the Blue Wall swing states like Michigan.
I suspect any aid we send to Lebanon will be intercepted by Hezbollah which will strengthen them in their pursuit of destroying Israel.
This is just my opinion...you're welcome to yours.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by appst89 » Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:06 am

Dial back the political rhetoric. I don't want to have to delete this thread.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Rick83 » Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:08 am

appst89 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:06 am
Dial back the political rhetoric. I don't want to have to delete this thread.
I'll dial mine back and I apologize for it...

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by appdaze » Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:13 am

I'm not making a stand for FEMA here but let's clarify what they are because I keep seeing people expecting stuff from them that isn't what they do.

FEMA coordinates. When yall said they hold a clip board.. well yes.. that's what they do. The big misconception is that people think FEMA comes in with construction equipment, supplies, an army of people, etc. Nope. They coordinate the efforts. When thr National guard goes in, fema coordinates where to send them. When Walmart sent in that line of trucks, fema coordinated where to best send the supplies and the routes the trucks should take. Fema coordinates the official air rescues.

None of that does fema do themselves. And that's the big misconception. Fema does not "DO." Fema organizes the efforts.

A bigger issue is that fema was placed under DHS under G-dub. Ever since then they have reacted slower to events. I've heard from a few on the ground that some reps from fema were already in Asheville as the storm was hitting. Again though, their presence doesn't mean an army of equipment ready to roll. They would have been evaluators to report to the ones above them about the damage. Then the ones above them try to coordinate the rescue efforts based on the scouting reports.

So yes, fema was already there. Yes, their response was still to slow. Yes, a lot of local people are busting butt's right now. There are also 6,000 national guard according to reports who would be coordinated by fema. This is also why they were trying to limit the private choppers once things got rolling because as someone said on here, there have already been 30+ near mid air crashed between authorized flyers and unauthorized flyers.

Successful aftermath plans need coordination from all levels private and government.

So yea, that's fema. Fema is doing what fema does. Coordinate resources. Other people do the actual work.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:18 am

I am also wondering if some don't understand how funds are appropriated thru Congress, especially The House. They are budgeted and if said $$$ are budgeted to foreign aid and other $$$ are budgeted for domestic projects it doesn't mean they can "take this and pay for that".

Also I am not taking up for FEMA - they have a history of being very slow in responses for decades - It also doesn't mean that I feel they are doing and have done a bad job. People suffering from disasters could never make it back without the assistance of FEMA.

I am not in WNC and have no first hand knowledge of the what is happening but if one person says FEMA was there on Day 1 and another says it was 4 days later then I have no reason to NOT believe each account.

And to quote my PM friend Seattle -
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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:19 am

I see some folks who just don’t seem to or want to understand the frustration some others have with how tax dollars are spent. So let me try to simplify my frustration. If I have two children at home and we are almost out of food and I tell you I’ve spent all my “bread and milk” money but I have some money that I “allocated” for beer a cigarettes and I buy my beer and cigarettes and not the bread and milk, are you going to say I’m a fool or is that ok? Our federal government is flat broke. That’s not political, that’s a fact. Yes we will borrow more money for disaster relief but make no mistake it is borrowed money. So yes I get mad when the head of DHS tells me we’re almost out of money for FEMA and then I hear we are spending hundreds of millions on illegal emigrants and in Lebanon. And some are saying the money for Lebanon and illegals comes from a different “source”. I understand that the government budgets money for different things but there is only one source of money for the federal government, the tax payer, ME. So yes I’m very angry about how tax money is being allocated. We are borrowing money to buy beer and cigarettes when we can’t buy bread and milk. That’s not political and I blame everybody in DC. And I blame all of us for letting it happen. One more time, my neighbors need money for the very essential things in life and instead of using the money we have for them we are going to spend it in Lebanon and on illegals and then borrow more money for ESSENTIALS!! Call me crazy but that’s just flat out wrong.
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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Saint3333 » Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:31 am

Everyone understands the foreign aid is budgeted, however those using a level of discernment are questioning should that level of capital allocation be there from those programs versus helping those in need domestically.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:07 am

Saint3333 wrote:
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Everyone understands the foreign aid is budgeted, however those using a level of discernment are questioning should that level of capital allocation be there from those programs versus helping those in need domestically.
We don't get to choose where the tax dollars are allocated - however I absolutely don't believe there is one person on here if given the choice, who wouldn't send every penny possible to help those in need in our country.
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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:15 am

WVAPPeer wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:07 am
Saint3333 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:31 am
Everyone understands the foreign aid is budgeted, however those using a level of discernment are questioning should that level of capital allocation be there from those programs versus helping those in need domestically.
We don't get to choose where the tax dollars are allocated - however I absolutely don't believe there is one person on here if given the choice, who wouldn't send every penny possible to help those in need in our country.
I beg to differ. As a country we get to decide who represents us in DC. If we send the right people and hold their feet to the fire we do get to decide how tax dollars are spent. It’s not easy to send the right people and it’s very hard to control them once they get to DC but it can be done. As a whole we the people have gotten to be lazy about the whole process. The thing we really need to do is to keep most of the money away from DC and in the state treasury. It’s much easier to control folks at the state level and our state actually has to have and stay within a budget. When you have basically unlimited funds like our federal government does it’s real easy to spend money.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by Stonewall » Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:25 am

FEMA was overwhelmed. I get it. No one could have foreseen this level of devastation. Again if you aren’t living it you are unlikely to understand. My criticism is not of them . I do believe that whoever failed to authorize the deployment of troops on stand by the day of the event should be held accountable.

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Re: High Country Hurricane Damage

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:33 am

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FEMA was overwhelmed. I get it. No one could have foreseen this level of devastation. Again if you aren’t living it you are unlikely to understand. My criticism is not of them . I do believe that whoever failed to authorize the deployment of troops on stand by the day of the event should be held accountable.
Especially with Fort Bragg, Camp Lejeune, Seymour, etc. right on our back yard so to speak. Given the devastation known as early Friday morning, may helped to locate people more quickly and ID immediate needs, etc ..that has been my issue...
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