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Cuts at UNCA

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Unread post by McLeansvilleAppFan » Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:42 pm

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Re: Cuts at UNCA

Unread post by t4pizza » Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:38 am

There's been some discussion on here in the past about our seemingly reduced standards of admissions. This article points out exactly why those standards have been reduced. We are at least fortunate that our Powers That Be recognized the nationwide problem of declining applicants to colleges and were proactive enough to make sure our admissions have not fallen off the cliff. I can't imagine having a 25% reductions in admissions over a 5 year period and nothing being done to address it, talk about administrators being asleep at the wheel.

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Unread post by bcoach » Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:53 am

This is only the beginning.

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Re: Cuts at UNCA

Unread post by kornegaylw » Wed Feb 07, 2024 12:07 pm

Kids, especially young men, are waking up to the fact that college is too expensive, not directly beneficial to a successful career and filled with required classes that bring no value. Administrators & faculty would be wise to review what they offer at what price and what message is communicating to their students and the person paying for their time at that instituion.

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Unread post by Stonewall » Wed Feb 07, 2024 12:41 pm

A reinvention of the system is long overdue.

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Unread post by appvette » Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:42 pm

I suppose the students protesting the cuts in staff are willing to pay 25% extra in tuition to make up for the reduced enrollment?

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Unread post by appdaze » Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:50 pm

If they become employees I fully expect scholarships to go away. You pay your own tuition at that point. In the long run this could end up cheaper for schools that shelling out for yearly scholarships. I think what you will see more of isn't colleges getting rid of programs, but more athletes skipping college to play in minor leagues or overseas.

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Re: Cuts at UNCA

Unread post by AppWyo » Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:15 pm

appdaze wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:50 pm
If they become employees I fully expect scholarships to go away. You pay your own tuition at that point. In the long run this could end up cheaper for schools that shelling out for yearly scholarships. I think what you will see more of isn't colleges getting rid of programs, but more athletes skipping college to play in minor leagues or overseas.
It is not just about paying a salary, you have to pay insurance, retirement, and taxes.

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Unread post by appdaze » Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:20 pm

AppWyo wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:15 pm
appdaze wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:50 pm
If they become employees I fully expect scholarships to go away. You pay your own tuition at that point. In the long run this could end up cheaper for schools that shelling out for yearly scholarships. I think what you will see more of isn't colleges getting rid of programs, but more athletes skipping college to play in minor leagues or overseas.
It is not just about paying a salary, you have to pay insurance, retirement, and taxes.
Oops, I just realized I posted this in the UNCA thread not the players get paid thread. Maybe the mods can move it for me :)

As to your comment, it depends on what they are labeled as. They could be independent contractors which could eliminate some of the retirement issues.

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Re: Cuts at UNCA

Unread post by bcoach » Wed Feb 07, 2024 4:19 pm

appdaze wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:20 pm
AppWyo wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:15 pm
appdaze wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:50 pm
If they become employees I fully expect scholarships to go away. You pay your own tuition at that point. In the long run this could end up cheaper for schools that shelling out for yearly scholarships. I think what you will see more of isn't colleges getting rid of programs, but more athletes skipping college to play in minor leagues or overseas.
It is not just about paying a salary, you have to pay insurance, retirement, and taxes.
Oops, I just realized I posted this in the UNCA thread not the players get paid thread. Maybe the mods can move it for me :)

As to your comment, it depends on what they are labeled as. They could be independent contractors which could eliminate some of the retirement issues.
Independant contractor is not going to fly for them. There are requirements and no athletic program could function with them. Because of these requirements independant contractor is slowly going away in many cases.
The vast majority of schools will be forced to drop programs if they become employees and APP most probably is going to be one of them.

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Re: Cuts at UNCA

Unread post by Tru2ASU » Wed Feb 07, 2024 5:14 pm

UNCA has a new chancellor, and I think we are up to 5 so far/upcoming in about the last 6 months.

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Re: Cuts at UNCA

Unread post by bcoach » Wed Feb 07, 2024 5:38 pm

bcoach wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 4:19 pm
appdaze wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:20 pm
AppWyo wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:15 pm
appdaze wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:50 pm
If they become employees I fully expect scholarships to go away. You pay your own tuition at that point. In the long run this could end up cheaper for schools that shelling out for yearly scholarships. I think what you will see more of isn't colleges getting rid of programs, but more athletes skipping college to play in minor leagues or overseas.
It is not just about paying a salary, you have to pay insurance, retirement, and taxes.
Oops, I just realized I posted this in the UNCA thread not the players get paid thread. Maybe the mods can move it for me :)

As to your comment, it depends on what they are labeled as. They could be independent contractors which could eliminate some of the retirement issues.
Independant contractor is not going to fly for them. There are requirements and no athletic program could function with them. Because of these requirements independant contractor is slowly going away in many cases.
The vast majority of schools will be forced to drop programs if they become employees and APP most probably is going to be one of them.
and I just did the same

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Re: Cuts at UNCA

Unread post by WASU 93 » Wed Feb 07, 2024 5:45 pm

bcoach wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 4:19 pm
appdaze wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:20 pm
AppWyo wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:15 pm
appdaze wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:50 pm
If they become employees I fully expect scholarships to go away. You pay your own tuition at that point. In the long run this could end up cheaper for schools that shelling out for yearly scholarships. I think what you will see more of isn't colleges getting rid of programs, but more athletes skipping college to play in minor leagues or overseas.
It is not just about paying a salary, you have to pay insurance, retirement, and taxes.
Oops, I just realized I posted this in the UNCA thread not the players get paid thread. Maybe the mods can move it for me :)

As to your comment, it depends on what they are labeled as. They could be independent contractors which could eliminate some of the retirement issues.
Independant contractor is not going to fly for them. There are requirements and no athletic program could function with them. Because of these requirements independant contractor is slowly going away in many cases.
The vast majority of schools will be forced to drop programs if they become employees and APP most probably is going to be one of them.
One would think that Title IX would also be affected. If you are hiring for 85 football player positions, that is different from offering scholarships. Since professors, maintenance staff, admin and others do not have a 50/50 female to male requirement, it's possible that Athletic teams also would not have the requirement.

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Unread post by Bootsy » Wed Feb 07, 2024 8:22 pm

Interesting how UNCA is considering eliminating adjunct faculty, yet no consideration is given to dumping the university leadership that stood by and did nothing while this mess spiraled.

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Unread post by mountaineerman » Wed Feb 07, 2024 8:52 pm

kornegaylw wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 12:07 pm
Kids, especially young men, are waking up to the fact that college is too expensive, not directly beneficial to a successful career and filled with required classes that bring no value. Administrators & faculty would be wise to review what they offer at what price and what message is communicating to their students and the person paying for their time at that instituion.
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Re: Cuts at UNCA

Unread post by JTApps1 » Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:07 pm

UNCA and WCU should just combine into one school. Move it all to the Whee.
When will "It's better than what we had" no longer be good enough for App State?

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Unread post by fjblair » Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:29 am

Skyrocketing tuition, lowering admission standards, highly politicized faculty and staff, paying athletes by whomever is the highest bidder, insular bubble like environments, etc, etc, etc....what could go wrong? It's a house of cards, and as others have mentioned-this is just the beginning.

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Unread post by Saint3333 » Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:35 am

Some saw this coming over a decade ago?

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles ... lege-costs

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Unread post by Stonewall » Thu Feb 08, 2024 12:20 pm

Among others.

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Unread post by appdaze » Thu Feb 08, 2024 12:56 pm

And this type of thing is why it's so important to continue to build the hickory campus and extend our footprint. Play the long game.

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