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Re: Boone Starbucks

Unread post by mike87 » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:25 am

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The incredible amount of dollars and effort that large corporations will go through to stop workers from unionizing should be the answer as to whether unions beneficial to the low and middle class workers.

In Asheville the for-profit owner of the Western North Carolina hospital system spent tens of millions of dollars to try to block the nurses from unionizing. The healthcare industry is so messed up now they pay travel nurses five to eight times per shift what they will pay an employee living in their own community.

In 1960 60% of corporate income went to employee wages and benefits. It currently stands at 20% today. Corporate profits are at an all-time high. Yes there is inflation but we're being scammed with inflation and shortages of materials being the scapegoat to reap higher and higher profits.
Corporations are owned by stockholders who demand higher return on their investments. If you own a 401K, which most people who work for large corporations do, you are a stockholder and benefit from profitability. Evil corporations are a myth and profit is good. Wages fall as a percentage of corporate income because of outsourcing, increased productivity and automation. The worker is better off today than he was in the 60's.

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Re: Boone Starbucks

Unread post by McLeansvilleAppFan » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:25 am

fjblair wrote:
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Good to see this in Boone!

New election filings at the NLRB: 500 faculty members at ArtCenter College of Design in Pasadena, CA are organizing with the California Federation of Teachers. 479 Starbucks workers at 17 stores filed for elections with Workers United in: Chicago; St. Louis (x2); Boston; Pittsburgh (x2); Sun Valley, CA; Colorado Springs; Stevensville, Olney, Bel Air, and Nottingham, MD; Oklahoma City and Norman, OK; Warwick, RI; Denton, TX; Cottonwood Heights, UT; and Boone, NC
Really? What makes you so gleeful about this development in Boone?
It would help bring up wage rates in the service industry. And it is not just about wages but having a stronger union movement that can lead to better worker protection, better OSHA enforcement, and a generally stronger, larger, middle class.
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He’d love every company to be unionized.

The winners here are the union not those paying the union dues.
Union dues are actually a much better return on investment (if that is all one cares to look at) than anything out there. The winners are the workers in industries where union rates are higher, and that helps union and non-union alike.
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Unread post by McLeansvilleAppFan » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:33 am

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Starbucks can be a bad neighbor. At times, their customers create havoc to the flow of traffic around their Hickory-Viewmont location. Across the street Chick-Fil-A handles a much larger volume of drive through customers, and they do so without creating problems on the throughways. I am sure results vary by location and that maybe most Starbucks have a proper site design, but they did well to fool the City of Hickory into approving what they did at the aforementioned location.

That aside, would anyone here impede traffic to wait in a long line for an over-priced cup of coffee? I hope not.
I don't even drink coffee so I don't really understand the desire but at the Starbucks in South Greensboro at Elm-Eugene there are generally 7-8 cars waiting in line to the point the line of cars spills out into the road around the parking lots there. I may spend $10 a year at a Starbucks if I am going in with someone that wants a coffee and I grab a tea. But some people love them for sure, or are addicted to the caffeine. Either way, even the poorer side of Greensboro has a Starbucks that is hopping.
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Unread post by McLeansvilleAppFan » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:37 am

mike87 wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:25 am
HighlandsApp wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:48 am
The incredible amount of dollars and effort that large corporations will go through to stop workers from unionizing should be the answer as to whether unions beneficial to the low and middle class workers.

In Asheville the for-profit owner of the Western North Carolina hospital system spent tens of millions of dollars to try to block the nurses from unionizing. The healthcare industry is so messed up now they pay travel nurses five to eight times per shift what they will pay an employee living in their own community.

In 1960 60% of corporate income went to employee wages and benefits. It currently stands at 20% today. Corporate profits are at an all-time high. Yes there is inflation but we're being scammed with inflation and shortages of materials being the scapegoat to reap higher and higher profits.
Corporations are owned by stockholders who demand higher return on their investments. If you own a 401K, which most people who work for large corporations do, you are a stockholder and benefit from profitability. Evil corporations are a myth and profit is good. Wages fall as a percentage of corporate income because of outsourcing, increased productivity and automation. The worker is better off today than he was in the 60's.
Things are certainly different from 60 years ago. How much of those gains in 1st world countries are on the back of 2nd and 3rd world countries and are living in near-slave like conditions with locked doors and subsistence wages. That may be the same company that is providing for a 401K. If the profit was being shared fairly then things would be much better for many more, and that is not happening by any honest measure.
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Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:42 am

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:37 am
mike87 wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:25 am
HighlandsApp wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:48 am
The incredible amount of dollars and effort that large corporations will go through to stop workers from unionizing should be the answer as to whether unions beneficial to the low and middle class workers.

In Asheville the for-profit owner of the Western North Carolina hospital system spent tens of millions of dollars to try to block the nurses from unionizing. The healthcare industry is so messed up now they pay travel nurses five to eight times per shift what they will pay an employee living in their own community.

In 1960 60% of corporate income went to employee wages and benefits. It currently stands at 20% today. Corporate profits are at an all-time high. Yes there is inflation but we're being scammed with inflation and shortages of materials being the scapegoat to reap higher and higher profits.
Corporations are owned by stockholders who demand higher return on their investments. If you own a 401K, which most people who work for large corporations do, you are a stockholder and benefit from profitability. Evil corporations are a myth and profit is good. Wages fall as a percentage of corporate income because of outsourcing, increased productivity and automation. The worker is better off today than he was in the 60's.
Things are certainly different from 60 years ago. How much of those gains in 1st world countries are on the back of 2nd and 3rd world countries and are living in near-slave like conditions with locked doors and subsistence wages. That may be the same company that is providing for a 401K. If the profit was being shared fairly then things would be much better for many more, and that is not happening by any honest measure.
The word “fair” gets used a lot when folks talk about wages and or taxes. Exactly what would be “fair”? I’m great with higher wages for me and my wife but I also have a healthy respect for the entrepreneur. I opened a couple of business and worked for myself. Gives you a different perspective. Ever start a business or work for yourself?

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Unread post by Saint3333 » Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:01 am

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:29 am
Saint3333 wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:09 am
He’d love every company to be unionized.

The winners here are the union not those paying the union dues.
Union dues are actually a much better return on investment (if that is all one cares to look at) than anything out there. The winners are the workers in industries where union rates are higher, and that helps union and non-union alike.
I’d put my company culture and wages we pay our workers up against the unionized competition.

Unions kill innovation and employee growth. Look at the growth of unionized companies over time versus their peers.

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Re: Boone Starbucks

Unread post by HighlandsApp » Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:49 am

mike87 wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:25 am
HighlandsApp wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:48 am
The incredible amount of dollars and effort that large corporations will go through to stop workers from unionizing should be the answer as to whether unions beneficial to the low and middle class workers.

In Asheville the for-profit owner of the Western North Carolina hospital system spent tens of millions of dollars to try to block the nurses from unionizing. The healthcare industry is so messed up now they pay travel nurses five to eight times per shift what they will pay an employee living in their own community.

In 1960 60% of corporate income went to employee wages and benefits. It currently stands at 20% today. Corporate profits are at an all-time high. Yes there is inflation but we're being scammed with inflation and shortages of materials being the scapegoat to reap higher and higher profits.
Corporations are owned by stockholders who demand higher return on their investments. If you own a 401K, which most people who work for large corporations do, you are a stockholder and benefit from profitability. Evil corporations are a myth and profit is good. Wages fall as a percentage of corporate income because of outsourcing, increased productivity and automation. The worker is better off today than he was in the 60's.
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Re: Boone Starbucks

Unread post by mike87 » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:33 pm

HighlandsApp wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:49 am
mike87 wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:25 am
HighlandsApp wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:48 am
The incredible amount of dollars and effort that large corporations will go through to stop workers from unionizing should be the answer as to whether unions beneficial to the low and middle class workers.

In Asheville the for-profit owner of the Western North Carolina hospital system spent tens of millions of dollars to try to block the nurses from unionizing. The healthcare industry is so messed up now they pay travel nurses five to eight times per shift what they will pay an employee living in their own community.

In 1960 60% of corporate income went to employee wages and benefits. It currently stands at 20% today. Corporate profits are at an all-time high. Yes there is inflation but we're being scammed with inflation and shortages of materials being the scapegoat to reap higher and higher profits.
Corporations are owned by stockholders who demand higher return on their investments. If you own a 401K, which most people who work for large corporations do, you are a stockholder and benefit from profitability. Evil corporations are a myth and profit is good. Wages fall as a percentage of corporate income because of outsourcing, increased productivity and automation. The worker is better off today than he was in the 60's.
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Re: Boone Starbucks

Unread post by McLeansvilleAppFan » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:41 pm

Mjohn1988 wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:42 am
McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:37 am
mike87 wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:25 am
HighlandsApp wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:48 am
The incredible amount of dollars and effort that large corporations will go through to stop workers from unionizing should be the answer as to whether unions beneficial to the low and middle class workers.

In Asheville the for-profit owner of the Western North Carolina hospital system spent tens of millions of dollars to try to block the nurses from unionizing. The healthcare industry is so messed up now they pay travel nurses five to eight times per shift what they will pay an employee living in their own community.

In 1960 60% of corporate income went to employee wages and benefits. It currently stands at 20% today. Corporate profits are at an all-time high. Yes there is inflation but we're being scammed with inflation and shortages of materials being the scapegoat to reap higher and higher profits.
Corporations are owned by stockholders who demand higher return on their investments. If you own a 401K, which most people who work for large corporations do, you are a stockholder and benefit from profitability. Evil corporations are a myth and profit is good. Wages fall as a percentage of corporate income because of outsourcing, increased productivity and automation. The worker is better off today than he was in the 60's.
Things are certainly different from 60 years ago. How much of those gains in 1st world countries are on the back of 2nd and 3rd world countries and are living in near-slave like conditions with locked doors and subsistence wages. That may be the same company that is providing for a 401K. If the profit was being shared fairly then things would be much better for many more, and that is not happening by any honest measure.
The word “fair” gets used a lot when folks talk about wages and or taxes. Exactly what would be “fair”? I’m great with higher wages for me and my wife but I also have a healthy respect for the entrepreneur. I opened a couple of business and worked for myself. Gives you a different perspective. Ever start a business or work for yourself?
I rent out a home and I keep the rents a good bit below the market rates for the size and area, and I do that as to not be a greedy ass. In my younger days I was a business owner.

I don't agree with the trends shown here

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... ality_1-4/
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Re: Boone Starbucks

Unread post by Saint3333 » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:52 pm

Lots of trends out there we all don't like and that post was quite a jump from the topic of unions...

I'll skip to the punchline, socialism (or worse communism) is not the answer.

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Re: Boone Starbucks

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:27 pm

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:41 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:42 am
McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:37 am
mike87 wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:25 am
HighlandsApp wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:48 am
The incredible amount of dollars and effort that large corporations will go through to stop workers from unionizing should be the answer as to whether unions beneficial to the low and middle class workers.

In Asheville the for-profit owner of the Western North Carolina hospital system spent tens of millions of dollars to try to block the nurses from unionizing. The healthcare industry is so messed up now they pay travel nurses five to eight times per shift what they will pay an employee living in their own community.

In 1960 60% of corporate income went to employee wages and benefits. It currently stands at 20% today. Corporate profits are at an all-time high. Yes there is inflation but we're being scammed with inflation and shortages of materials being the scapegoat to reap higher and higher profits.
Corporations are owned by stockholders who demand higher return on their investments. If you own a 401K, which most people who work for large corporations do, you are a stockholder and benefit from profitability. Evil corporations are a myth and profit is good. Wages fall as a percentage of corporate income because of outsourcing, increased productivity and automation. The worker is better off today than he was in the 60's.
Things are certainly different from 60 years ago. How much of those gains in 1st world countries are on the back of 2nd and 3rd world countries and are living in near-slave like conditions with locked doors and subsistence wages. That may be the same company that is providing for a 401K. If the profit was being shared fairly then things would be much better for many more, and that is not happening by any honest measure.
The word “fair” gets used a lot when folks talk about wages and or taxes. Exactly what would be “fair”? I’m great with higher wages for me and my wife but I also have a healthy respect for the entrepreneur. I opened a couple of business and worked for myself. Gives you a different perspective. Ever start a business or work for yourself?
I rent out a home and I keep the rents a good bit below the market rates for the size and area, and I do that as to not be a greedy ass. In my younger days I was a business owner.

I don't agree with the trends shown here

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... ality_1-4/
I don’t think greed is a good thing but profit is a must. Not trying to be an ass but you didn’t answer my question, what is fair? I think this word gets thrown around way too much and nobody will say what is fair. I for one would never go to my boss and tell him I need a “fair” wage. My wife has been telling the kids she teaches for years that fair is where you pet the pigs and ride the rides. So what is “fair”?

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Re: Boone Starbucks

Unread post by McLeansvilleAppFan » Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:49 am

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Mjohn1988 wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:27 pm
McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:41 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:42 am
McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:37 am
mike87 wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:25 am
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Corporations are owned by stockholders who demand higher return on their investments. If you own a 401K, which most people who work for large corporations do, you are a stockholder and benefit from profitability. Evil corporations are a myth and profit is good. Wages fall as a percentage of corporate income because of outsourcing, increased productivity and automation. The worker is better off today than he was in the 60's.
Things are certainly different from 60 years ago. How much of those gains in 1st world countries are on the back of 2nd and 3rd world countries and are living in near-slave like conditions with locked doors and subsistence wages. That may be the same company that is providing for a 401K. If the profit was being shared fairly then things would be much better for many more, and that is not happening by any honest measure.
The word “fair” gets used a lot when folks talk about wages and or taxes. Exactly what would be “fair”? I’m great with higher wages for me and my wife but I also have a healthy respect for the entrepreneur. I opened a couple of business and worked for myself. Gives you a different perspective. Ever start a business or work for yourself?
I rent out a home and I keep the rents a good bit below the market rates for the size and area, and I do that as to not be a greedy ass. In my younger days I was a business owner.

I don't agree with the trends shown here

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... ality_1-4/
I don’t think greed is a good thing but profit is a must. Not trying to be an ass but you didn’t answer my question, what is fair? I think this word gets thrown around way too much and nobody will say what is fair. I for one would never go to my boss and tell him I need a “fair” wage. My wife has been telling the kids she teaches for years that fair is where you pet the pigs and ride the rides. So what is “fair”?
Much like the Supreme Court and porn, the issue of fairness may be hard to define but that lack of ease of definition does not mean one can not sense when it is happening and not happening and right now it is not happening and that has been the case for decades.

And maybe you wife needs to help expand the minds of the one she teaches and help them understand words can have multiple meanings. Heck, teachers talk about “covering” material in class to teach a topic and cover also means to obscure, which is the exact opposite of teaching and exposing ideas.

And I am not anti-profit, the question is where does the profit go and how much profit at some point. I am a member of 5 credit unions and I expect each to not lose money. I want the Co-op grocery I have a share in to not lose money either. Same for the mutual insurance companies I have policies with. I do expect any profit to be reinvested in operations, safety, long-term stability, and worker pay and not into the hands of a few at the top.
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Unread post by appdaze » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:48 am

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:49 am
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Mjohn1988 wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:27 pm
McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:41 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:42 am
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Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:37 am


Things are certainly different from 60 years ago. How much of those gains in 1st world countries are on the back of 2nd and 3rd world countries and are living in near-slave like conditions with locked doors and subsistence wages. That may be the same company that is providing for a 401K. If the profit was being shared fairly then things would be much better for many more, and that is not happening by any honest measure.
The word “fair” gets used a lot when folks talk about wages and or taxes. Exactly what would be “fair”? I’m great with higher wages for me and my wife but I also have a healthy respect for the entrepreneur. I opened a couple of business and worked for myself. Gives you a different perspective. Ever start a business or work for yourself?
I rent out a home and I keep the rents a good bit below the market rates for the size and area, and I do that as to not be a greedy ass. In my younger days I was a business owner.

I don't agree with the trends shown here

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... ality_1-4/
I don’t think greed is a good thing but profit is a must. Not trying to be an ass but you didn’t answer my question, what is fair? I think this word gets thrown around way too much and nobody will say what is fair. I for one would never go to my boss and tell him I need a “fair” wage. My wife has been telling the kids she teaches for years that fair is where you pet the pigs and ride the rides. So what is “fair”?
Much like the Supreme Court and porn, the issue of fairness may be hard to define but that lack of ease of definition does not mean one can not sense when it is happening and not happening and right now it is not happening and that has been the case for decades.

And maybe you wife needs to help expand the minds of the one she teaches and help them understand words can have multiple meanings. Heck, teachers talk about “covering” material in class to teach a topic and cover also means to obscure, which is the exact opposite of teaching and exposing ideas.

And I am not anti-profit, the question is where does the profit go and how much profit at some point. I am a member of 5 credit unions and I expect each to not lose money. I want the Co-op grocery I have a share in to not lose money either. Same for the mutual insurance companies I have policies with. I do expect any profit to be reinvested in operations, safety, long-term stability, and worker pay and not into the hands of a few at the top.
Gathering wealth in the hands of the few at the top has been what humans have been doing since the beginning of humanity as well as the entirety of US history and will continue to do so until we figure out a way to rewire the human mind, then those that figured out how to rewire us will control us all and keep all the profit for themselves, o wait, we already have social media.

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Unread post by Appst86 » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:50 am

Imagine how much better this whole internet thing would be had Cisco, Microsoft, AOL, Google, etc. been unionized...

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Re: Boone Starbucks

Unread post by goapps » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:54 am

mike87 wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:25 am
HighlandsApp wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:48 am
The incredible amount of dollars and effort that large corporations will go through to stop workers from unionizing should be the answer as to whether unions beneficial to the low and middle class workers.

In Asheville the for-profit owner of the Western North Carolina hospital system spent tens of millions of dollars to try to block the nurses from unionizing. The healthcare industry is so messed up now they pay travel nurses five to eight times per shift what they will pay an employee living in their own community.

In 1960 60% of corporate income went to employee wages and benefits. It currently stands at 20% today. Corporate profits are at an all-time high. Yes there is inflation but we're being scammed with inflation and shortages of materials being the scapegoat to reap higher and higher profits.
Corporations are owned by stockholders who demand higher return on their investments. If you own a 401K, which most people who work for large corporations do, you are a stockholder and benefit from profitability. Evil corporations are a myth and profit is good. Wages fall as a percentage of corporate income because of outsourcing, increased productivity and automation. The worker is better off today than he was in the 60's.
CEO pay has increased by around 900% in the last 50 years. CEO's are typically paid 350X what average workers make, in the 1960's it was 20X. The profits flow to the top executives while workers may get thrown a bone now and again, doesn't seem right.

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Re: Boone Starbucks

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:28 am

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:49 am
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Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:27 pm
McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:41 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:42 am
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Things are certainly different from 60 years ago. How much of those gains in 1st world countries are on the back of 2nd and 3rd world countries and are living in near-slave like conditions with locked doors and subsistence wages. That may be the same company that is providing for a 401K. If the profit was being shared fairly then things would be much better for many more, and that is not happening by any honest measure.
The word “fair” gets used a lot when folks talk about wages and or taxes. Exactly what would be “fair”? I’m great with higher wages for me and my wife but I also have a healthy respect for the entrepreneur. I opened a couple of business and worked for myself. Gives you a different perspective. Ever start a business or work for yourself?
I rent out a home and I keep the rents a good bit below the market rates for the size and area, and I do that as to not be a greedy ass. In my younger days I was a business owner.

I don't agree with the trends shown here

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... ality_1-4/
I don’t think greed is a good thing but profit is a must. Not trying to be an ass but you didn’t answer my question, what is fair? I think this word gets thrown around way too much and nobody will say what is fair. I for one would never go to my boss and tell him I need a “fair” wage. My wife has been telling the kids she teaches for years that fair is where you pet the pigs and ride the rides. So what is “fair”?
Much like the Supreme Court and porn, the issue of fairness may be hard to define but that lack of ease of definition does not mean one can not sense when it is happening and not happening and right now it is not happening and that has been the case for decades.

And maybe you wife needs to help expand the minds of the one she teaches and help them understand words can have multiple meanings. Heck, teachers talk about “covering” material in class to teach a topic and cover also means to obscure, which is the exact opposite of teaching and exposing ideas.

And I am not anti-profit, the question is where does the profit go and how much profit at some point. I am a member of 5 credit unions and I expect each to not lose money. I want the Co-op grocery I have a share in to not lose money either. Same for the mutual insurance companies I have policies with. I do expect any profit to be reinvested in operations, safety, long-term stability, and worker pay and not into the hands of a few at the top.
My wife is an excellent teacher who cares for her kids but doesn’t pamper them. She actually gets them ready for the real world.

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Re: Boone Starbucks

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:35 am

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The word “fair” gets used a lot when folks talk about wages and or taxes. Exactly what would be “fair”? I’m great with higher wages for me and my wife but I also have a healthy respect for the entrepreneur. I opened a couple of business and worked for myself. Gives you a different perspective. Ever start a business or work for yourself?
I rent out a home and I keep the rents a good bit below the market rates for the size and area, and I do that as to not be a greedy ass. In my younger days I was a business owner.

I don't agree with the trends shown here

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... ality_1-4/
I don’t think greed is a good thing but profit is a must. Not trying to be an ass but you didn’t answer my question, what is fair? I think this word gets thrown around way too much and nobody will say what is fair. I for one would never go to my boss and tell him I need a “fair” wage. My wife has been telling the kids she teaches for years that fair is where you pet the pigs and ride the rides. So what is “fair”?
Much like the Supreme Court and porn, the issue of fairness may be hard to define but that lack of ease of definition does not mean one can not sense when it is happening and not happening and right now it is not happening and that has been the case for decades.

And maybe you wife needs to help expand the minds of the one she teaches and help them understand words can have multiple meanings. Heck, teachers talk about “covering” material in class to teach a topic and cover also means to obscure, which is the exact opposite of teaching and exposing ideas.

And I am not anti-profit, the question is where does the profit go and how much profit at some point. I am a member of 5 credit unions and I expect each to not lose money. I want the Co-op grocery I have a share in to not lose money either. Same for the mutual insurance companies I have policies with. I do expect any profit to be reinvested in operations, safety, long-term stability, and worker pay and not into the hands of a few at the top.
My wife is an excellent teacher who cares for her kids but doesn’t pamper them. She actually gets them ready for the real world. She spent over 30 years at an inner city school loving and teaching mostly minority children. But she doesn’t fit your liberal template so of course you must insult her. Typically of your type.

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Re: Boone Starbucks

Unread post by pop5app » Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:36 am

goapps wrote:
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The incredible amount of dollars and effort that large corporations will go through to stop workers from unionizing should be the answer as to whether unions beneficial to the low and middle class workers.

In Asheville the for-profit owner of the Western North Carolina hospital system spent tens of millions of dollars to try to block the nurses from unionizing. The healthcare industry is so messed up now they pay travel nurses five to eight times per shift what they will pay an employee living in their own community.

In 1960 60% of corporate income went to employee wages and benefits. It currently stands at 20% today. Corporate profits are at an all-time high. Yes there is inflation but we're being scammed with inflation and shortages of materials being the scapegoat to reap higher and higher profits.
Corporations are owned by stockholders who demand higher return on their investments. If you own a 401K, which most people who work for large corporations do, you are a stockholder and benefit from profitability. Evil corporations are a myth and profit is good. Wages fall as a percentage of corporate income because of outsourcing, increased productivity and automation. The worker is better off today than he was in the 60's.
CEO pay has increased by around 900% in the last 50 years. CEO's are typically paid 350X what average workers make, in the 1960's it was 20X. The profits flow to the top executives while workers may get thrown a bone now and again, doesn't seem right.

Sounds like you are talking about the UNC System and APP. So true in both cases!
CEO’s = CHEAT
WORKERS= APP

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Re: Boone Starbucks

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:38 am

goapps wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:54 am
mike87 wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:25 am
HighlandsApp wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:48 am
The incredible amount of dollars and effort that large corporations will go through to stop workers from unionizing should be the answer as to whether unions beneficial to the low and middle class workers.

In Asheville the for-profit owner of the Western North Carolina hospital system spent tens of millions of dollars to try to block the nurses from unionizing. The healthcare industry is so messed up now they pay travel nurses five to eight times per shift what they will pay an employee living in their own community.

In 1960 60% of corporate income went to employee wages and benefits. It currently stands at 20% today. Corporate profits are at an all-time high. Yes there is inflation but we're being scammed with inflation and shortages of materials being the scapegoat to reap higher and higher profits.
Corporations are owned by stockholders who demand higher return on their investments. If you own a 401K, which most people who work for large corporations do, you are a stockholder and benefit from profitability. Evil corporations are a myth and profit is good. Wages fall as a percentage of corporate income because of outsourcing, increased productivity and automation. The worker is better off today than he was in the 60's.
CEO pay has increased by around 900% in the last 50 years. CEO's are typically paid 350X what average workers make, in the 1960's it was 20X. The profits flow to the top executives while workers may get thrown a bone now and again, doesn't seem right.
And I also think that’s bad and destructive. I just don’t think I have the right to go tell the owners of those business what they need to pay people. I am also not necessarily anti union. I have seen unions ruin good paying jobs and I think they most likely hurt innovation and overall productivity. But saying it’s not “fair” does nothing. In this case the word is used to invoke emotion. If you’re actually going to negotiate you need numbers. I try to do my part through my actions. I quit working for a large corporation and went to work for a local owner operator who refused to sell his business to a larger corporation. I do my best to shop at owner operator or regional stores. I’m not with the global economy folks. We need to produce most of what we need locally or regionally. The only way I can personally affect that is through my buying habits.

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