The Carolina Way!

[StumpyCulbreath]

AppGrad1, I won't believe a thing he says if you can explain to me how he got a 4.0 in the spring of 2005. I have supervised a program that provides academic support for the athletes at the college where I work for a number of years, and I would like to know the secret of their success.

[Gonzo]

Here you go, AppGrad. I know you've always wanted one. And just like your heroes, you didn't have to attend one single class there to obtain one.

Early front runner for post of the year.

[ASUMountaineer]

Everything UNC fans are saying now is exactly the same thing baseball fans said about Jose Canseco. The credibility of the person making the allegations may be questionable, but it doesn't mean that person is lying about said allegations.

AppGrad1, I know it's hard to even fathom that McCant's allegations are true--but, I would caution you from disputing his allegations simply because he's "looney."

[DaphneUrquhart]

Many of you may recall that Rashad's time at Carolina was not all sunshine. I have a vague memory of his comparing Carolina to a prison because he couldn't say certain things. My perception at the time was that the only thing he sought at Carolina was an NBA ticket which he took after three years.

I'm in no way denying that there may be some truth in Rashad's comments. Certainly my alma mater has really made a horrible mess of the basketball and football programs. I do tend to hear everything from Rashad McCants with very skeptical ears.

As a Carolina alumna I'm just as ticked off now as I was when all this garbage first blew up - McCants or not.

[ASUMountaineer]

Many of you may recall that Rashad's time at Carolina was not all sunshine. I have a vague memory of his comparing Carolina to a prison because he couldn't say certain things. My perception at the time was that the only thing he sought at Carolina was an NBA ticket which he took after three years.

I'm in no way denying that there may be some truth in Rashad's comments. Certainly my alma mater has really made a horrible mess of the basketball and football programs. I do tend to hear everything from Rashad McCants with very skeptical ears.

As a Carolina alumna I'm just as ticked off now as I was when all this garbage first blew up - McCants or not.

Adrian Peterson also compared NFL players to slaves (worse than prison). I get the concerns about McCants' credibility, but again I remind UNC fans of Jose Canseco and the questions about his credibility. I understand UNC fans want to defend their school, but I'd be careful shooting the messenger instead of the message.

[DaphneUrquhart]

No shooting the messenger from me. While I doubt that Rashad's comments are completely factual, the essence of situation is infuriating to many of us who hold legitimately earned degrees from Carolina.

[AppGrad1]

I agree. I said that if this happened I have ZERO problems with them getting hammered by the NCAA's.

Some of the haters on here forget that I've said this numerous times.
I also agree to the point of "where there is smoke there is fire" too but I want to hear it from someone else that is more reliable.
Why did Mccants come out after 9 years and say this?

PS... The UNC degree has to be post of the year...

[Gonzo]

Dude, you're acting like McCann's confession is the first mention of fake classes for athletes at UNC...

You should have been convicted long ago. Today's news merely piles on to what has already been indisputably proven: that UNC has knowingly and intentionally engaged in the most egregious example of academic fraud in NCAA history by certifying athletes as academically eligible and giving them degrees for classes that never met or existed.

[WVAPPeer]

What a surprise. I thought they'd all admit that it was true and ask if they could give up their national title.

Amazing isn't it...
We totally believe a documented nut case who said once that going to UNC was like being in jail over 16 other athletes on the same team.
Looks like a hater to me.....

Appgrad1 - if this was the only story coming out about bogus classes, fake grades, etc., etc., I would agree with you that this is one mixed up young man who is doing this for whatever reason - but what he says was his experience has been proven to be true for other UNC athletes (not previously basketball however) - So why is it a stretch in this case? --- Because it is Roy Williams and the basketball team? - I'm not a Carolina fan - far, far from it - but personally I think Roy is a good man and I don't want to believe he had any involvement -

Can we all remember what everyone called Jose Canceso when he wrote his book about the widespread use of steroids in baseball?

[WVAPPeer]

I would also like to add this info from a second-hand "personal" perspective - my best friend's son was on the UNC with McCants and others for a couple of years - Now he was a walk-on and was at UNC because he had good grades in high school and high test scores - not because he was a great basketball player - I have talked with him on several occasions over the years about these "classes" - He told me not to blame the players - that when a tutor/advisor came to them and said here's a class where to can make a good grade with very little work - they took the class (and I must say, I would have done some of the same while in was in college if given that choice) - Now he never said that he personally never attended and got a good grade or never wrote the paper himself and earned the grade but it is quite easy to see how this went from an advisor steering athletes to certain classes (for which I have no problem if they are legitimate classes) to something more nefarious ---

[YesAppCan]

More...
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co ... er=ya5nbcs

[JTApps1]

What a surprise. I thought they'd all admit that it was true and ask if they could give up their national title.

Amazing isn't it...
We totally believe a documented nut case who said once that going to UNC was like being in jail over 16 other athletes on the same team.
Looks like a hater to me.....

It might be easy to discredit him had the University not already admitted to these classes existence starting in 2007. The former Dean wouldn't let the internal review go back any further. Could it be they knew this was going on for years before, and if that got out there would be a real chance the 2005 Championship would be vacated? It was easier to admit to wrong doings during a few years when no championships were won. They are arrogant enough to believe they could tell the partial truth, and then sweep the rest under the rug to preserve their titles. I think it's humorous that you Tar Heel fans feel like a statement prepared by UNC with the names of former players on it proves everything is ok. What else are they going to say??? If any other school in the state did this the NCAA would give them everything but the Death Penalty.

[appbio91]

I agree. I said that if this happened I have ZERO problems with them getting hammered by the NCAA's.

Some of the haters on here forget that I've said this numerous times.
I also agree to the point of "where there is smoke there is fire" too but I want to hear it from someone else that is more reliable.
Why did Mccants come out after 9 years and say this?

PS... The UNC degree has to be post of the year...

Did you watch the HBO Real Sports piece on this topic? The young men they interviewed seemed quite credible and tell much the same story. Told their major would be Interdisciplinary Studies, handed a list of classes to take and told your job is to maintain eligibility. Took bogus classes to keep eligibility and made F's and D's in legit classes. One kid made 13 F's and another 7 D's and is still the proud owner of a degree from UNC Chapel Hill. Even for the holes I am sure this is the exception rather than the rule. BUT IT DID HAPPEN AND WILL HAPPEN OTHER PLACES IF THEY DO NOT GET PUNISHED! !

Having said that I really doubt that the NCAA will do anything. With all the threats from the P5 about D-IV they are scared poopless to touch them. If they come down hard on one more big program they can kiss million of $$$ goodbye and they know it.

[WVAPPeer]

Agreed - nothing else will happen to them ---

[appst89]

Agreed - nothing else will happen to them ---

I agree. UNC-CHeat will get away with this scott free. They have perpetrated the most egregious academic fraud in the history of college sports and they will walk away clean because of who they are. All the while, App serves a postseason ban for academic shortcomings. The NCAA is a joke.

[scatman77]

More...
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co ... er=ya5nbcs

The hits just keep coming...

The fall out from this, all the others who "took" fake classes and got caught, and now this is that EVERY institution in the UNC system is going to take some sort of hit; guilty by association or at least I can see it happening.

I loathe anything from chapel hole but also hate to see those who followed the rules, went to class, earned a degree and become successful have their education and diploma cheapened by the the small percentage of numbnuts.

[StumpyCulbreath]

Dan Kane will probably get a Pulitzer before this is over.


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[moehler]

well, I wouldn't say they got off scotch free. growing up in NC, I heard almost daily from Carolina fans that the thing which separated them from other schools, was the "Carolina Way", a code of honor that Carolina alumi, present students, including athletes never cheat, never took short cuts, and always act in the most honorable way possible. It was this code that alumi proudly held over the heads of other schools, especially NC schools. It was the one thing in their minds that separated them from everyone else. Now, the thing they hold most dear, is gone forever, they have had to face the facts that they are no better than State, Wake, App, or even ECU. I guarantee this hurts the alumi alot more than any sanctions the NCAA could administer.

[WVAPPeer]

well, I wouldn't say they got off scotch free. growing up in NC, I heard almost daily from Carolina fans that the thing which separated them from other schools, was the "Carolina Way", a code of honor that Carolina alumi, present students, including athletes never cheat, never took short cuts, and always act in the most honorable way possible. It was this code that alumi proudly held over the heads of other schools, especially NC schools. It was the one thing in their minds that separated them from everyone else. Now, the thing they hold most dear, is gone forever, they have had to face the facts that they are no better than State, Wake, App, or even ECU. I guarantee this hurts the alumi alot more than any sanctions the NCAA could administer.

Moehler you are right about the feeling of superiority but unfortunately it has gone nowhere - the rest of us know the whole "Carolina Way" is a joke but they still see themselves as superior and all this stuff is just the work of those who are jealous ---

[AppinVA]

My fear is that the UNC Board of Governors will feel the pressure to institute reforms that will ensure this type of thing doesn't happen again with any of the schools in the UNC System. Never mind the fact that there is no evidence, neither concrete nor perceived, that it has happened at the other schools. We will all be on the hook for whatever mesures the BOG decides to take, which will be sure to cost a lot. Of course, the Chapel Hill campus can afford it, and it won't really have an effect on them (they probably won't follow it anyway), and we will be able to move the chairs around to make it work. However, it will be extremely hard, if not impossible, for schools further down the ladder to accommodate those changes. Of course, they'll be sure that everyone below the P5 will have to follow the changes to the letter, while nothing will happen the at Chapel Hill campus.