school shooting

[asutrnr81]

Not one single "group" asked Washington to stop producing vehicles that could transport mass bombs.

You know you are right because the (vans/truck ban) would have hurt interstate commerce.....but what they did do was highly regulate the sale and the documentation of the sale of ammonium nitrate..."fertilizer". They already regulate the sale of most other "explosives".

Here's a question about your rationale that I can't understand? Two guys hunting dove on Sept. 1 get checked for plugs in their weapons....Plugs out...guns confiscated, trucks confiscated, fined (I am sure I missed some things). But we NEED? assault rifles with high capacity magazines and we do not want them regulated. "Shoot" I might survive a shot gun attack with bird shot....but neither of us would survive the assault rifle attack.

And by the way the NRA came out today that THEY were/would look into "them" placing and sworn officer in every school in America....THE NRA! (Which I recommended last week in a post!)

They (NRA) ALSO went so far as to suggest we regulate the video gaming industry!

Go APPS!

[appdaze]

Not one single "group" asked Washington to stop producing vehicles that could transport mass bombs.

You know you are right because the (vans/truck ban) would have hurt interstate commerce.....but what they did do was highly regulate the sale and the documentation of the sale of ammonium nitrate..."fertilizer". They already regulate the sale of most other "explosives".

Here's a question about your rationale that I can't understand? Two guys hunting dove on Sept. 1 get checked for plugs in their weapons....Plugs out...guns confiscated, trucks confiscated, fined (I am sure I missed some things). But we NEED? assault rifles with high capacity magazines and we do not want them regulated. "Shoot" I might survive a shot gun attack with bird shot....but neither of us would survive the assault rifle attack.

And by the way the NRA came out today that THEY were/would look into "them" placing and sworn officer in every school in America....THE NRA! (Which I recommended last week in a post!)

They (NRA) ALSO went so far as to suggest we regular the video gaming industry!

Go APPS!

The NRA said the federal government should pay to put an armed officer in every school building. I didn't read anything about the NRA doing anything other than saying we need more people with guns as usual.

The video game industry is already regulated the same as the movie industry with age ratings. The parents are the ones buying their kids these games and/or allowing them in their houses. I've seen a number of you on here say that it wasn't the guns fault that shootings happen that its the peoples fault. Ok so why are people blaming another inanimate object yet saying there is nothing wrong with the other? Its hypocritical. Then again that is the america way, so I suppose no one should be surprised.
People keep pointing the fingers all over the place but it all should come back to one thing. When are parents going to do their job? This goes not only for these shooting issues but for many others. When are parents going to do their jobs? Too many have pawned off their jobs on the school systems/video games/and anything they can so that they don't have to worry about it themselves. With the Columbine thing those guys had weapon making things all over their rooms. In this one the parents were a mess. When are parents going to take responsibility for raising their kids instead of making more laws regulating more products when if people would just do their jobs we would not have nearly as many of these situations. I say not nearly as many because there will always be some but good parenting could cut down on so many of the issues in this country. Alas that will never happen so we will continue to have these issues regardless of how many regulations are put on anything.

Blah, this dead horse will continue to get beaten but I don't think I have the care to kick anymore.

[Rekdiver]

Let me circle back to the original issue. There are 20. 6 and 7 year old kids that 20 sets of parents will never get to hug again. Killed by a mentally ill adult who used a assault style rifle with a high capacity magazine. What about their rights? These guns need to be banned and I'm dropping my NRA membership until they are. Enough.

[fjblair]

The NRA said the federal government should pay to put an armed officer in every school building. I didn't read anything about the NRA doing anything other than saying we need more people with guns as usual.

The video game industry is already regulated the same as the movie industry with age ratings. The parents are the ones buying their kids these games and/or allowing them in their houses. I've seen a number of you on here say that it wasn't the guns fault that shootings happen that its the peoples fault. Ok so why are people blaming another inanimate object yet saying there is nothing wrong with the other? Its hypocritical. Then again that is the america way, so I suppose no one should be surprised.
People keep pointing the fingers all over the place but it all should come back to one thing. When are parents going to do their job? This goes not only for these shooting issues but for many others. When are parents going to do their jobs? Too many have pawned off their jobs on the school systems/video games/and anything they can so that they don't have to worry about it themselves. With the Columbine thing those guys had weapon making things all over their rooms. In this one the parents were a mess. When are parents going to take responsibility for raising their kids instead of making more laws regulating more products when if people would just do their jobs we would not have nearly as many of these situations. I say not nearly as many because there will always be some but good parenting could cut down on so many of the issues in this country. Alas that will never happen so we will continue to have these issues regardless of how many regulations are put on anything.

Blah, this dead horse will continue to get beaten but I don't think I have the care to kick anymore.

Your post is spot on. Not the only problem for sure but overwhelmingly obvious.

[appthunder90]

...When the founding fathers said a right to bear arms it was in reference to a single shot musket not 30 round assualt rifles.

None of us know what it was in reference too - we weren't there. You could interpret it that way or you can interpret it that the founding fathers felt like the people have the right to defend themselves against enemies both foreign and domestic. If a domestic enemy (maybe the gov't?) has assault rifles, the founding fathers may have believed the citizens should be able to have assault rifles.

Just hate seeing you keep making assumptions on different things without fact buddy

All we have to go on is fact. At the time bear arms meant a single shot musket as it was the only gun around. FACT .

It doesn't say anything about a musket. It says the right to bear arms. Whatever arms are available. It doesn't say the right to bear a specific weapon, if they intended to tie it down in that manner they would have. While we are on the subject, can I also have a cannon?

[bcoach]

...When the founding fathers said a right to bear arms it was in reference to a single shot musket not 30 round assualt rifles.

None of us know what it was in reference too - we weren't there. You could interpret it that way or you can interpret it that the founding fathers felt like the people have the right to defend themselves against enemies both foreign and domestic. If a domestic enemy (maybe the gov't?) has assault rifles, the founding fathers may have believed the citizens should be able to have assault rifles.

Just hate seeing you keep making assumptions on different things without fact buddy

All we have to go on is fact. At the time bear arms meant a single shot musket as it was the only gun around. FACT .

It doesn't say anything about a musket. It says the right to bear arms. Whatever arms are available. It doesn't say the right to bear a specific weapon, if they intended to tie it down in that manner they would have. While we are on the subject, can I also have a cannon?

How about a grenade launcher? I think that the answer is that we can ban certain weapons as we have machine guns and other automatic weapons. The real bottom line is that we can do a lot to prevent these crimes but we will not. We think that responsible gun owners are the same as legal gun owners and they are not. You see his mother was a legal gun owner but how could you possibly be further from a responsible gun owner. His mother made it possible for him to kill those people with “those guns”. We have reached a time in this country where compromise is off the table. We see it in everyday life and we see it in government. It is no longer about governing it is about winning.
I think we need to ban 30 round or greater clips. We need to put police in the schools. We need to have secured entry into schools, and we need to address the severe mental health crisis we have in this country. There are probably 100 other thing we could do. What do you think the chances are?

[appdaze]

...When the founding fathers said a right to bear arms it was in reference to a single shot musket not 30 round assualt rifles.

None of us know what it was in reference too - we weren't there. You could interpret it that way or you can interpret it that the founding fathers felt like the people have the right to defend themselves against enemies both foreign and domestic. If a domestic enemy (maybe the gov't?) has assault rifles, the founding fathers may have believed the citizens should be able to have assault rifles.

Just hate seeing you keep making assumptions on different things without fact buddy

All we have to go on is fact. At the time bear arms meant a single shot musket as it was the only gun around. FACT .

It doesn't say anything about a musket. It says the right to bear arms. Whatever arms are available. It doesn't say the right to bear a specific weapon, if they intended to tie it down in that manner they would have. While we are on the subject, can I also have a cannon?

How about a grenade launcher? I think that the answer is that we can ban certain weapons as we have machine guns and other automatic weapons. The real bottom line is that we can do a lot to prevent these crimes but we will not. We think that responsible gun owners are the same as legal gun owners and they are not. You see his mother was a legal gun owner but how could you possibly be further from a responsible gun owner. His mother made it possible for him to kill those people with “those guns”. We have reached a time in this country where compromise is off the table. We see it in everyday life and we see it in government. It is no longer about governing it is about winning.
I think we need to ban 30 round or greater clips. We need to put police in the schools. We need to have secured entry into schools, and we need to address the severe mental health crisis we have in this country. There are probably 100 other thing we could do. What do you think the chances are?

If you want all that and more than I hope you are ready to pay higher taxes to pay for those. You might want to convince the american people that we need to pay higher taxes from the top to the bottom as well. We demand so much from our government yet we demand to pay as little as possible for the services. You can't have it both ways.

[AppGrad1]

Again, all I am saying is that banning AR-15 rifles, not assault rifles of which there is no such thing, will not stop anything. It is only a political move for politicians to look like they are solving/preventing a problem.

Mass shootings/murders will not be decreased at all. They may in fact increase because these type individuals will want to "show" everyone that they can't be stopped.
Example: Crazed person wants to end his life and take mass people with him. He decides against it because AR's have been banned?? Really? Are we this dumb as a society to think this? Duh, he just gets a couple pistols (which are more available and concealable) loads up a bunch of magazines and goes about his crazed thoughts.

Once these "AR-15" weapons are banned and these shootings continue in mass numbers then what? You will find the government will then step in under pressure to keep their jobs and want to limit the number of bullets in semi-auto magazines for pistols. Then they will maybe will want semi-auto pistols banned too limiting the public to only revolvers because they cannot hold high number of bullets.

In all of this you will not see any number of mass murders slowing down. What you WILL see is government stepping in to once again take away rights for the American people. Law abiding citizens. When the government finds out that these mass murders continue to happen do you think they will look and say "Humm, taking away these type weapons didn't do any good let's give them back to the people?" No, that will not happen.

If someone CAN PROVE that taking away these AR's WILL stop or even slow down these mass killings I would consider changing my opinion but I do not think this will ever happen or even come close to slowing down. That is why I am against this move. Period. It is all political only....

Pretty good quote from someone on an opinion page... "The Government can't even keep drugs out of the prisons, maximum security, Tell me how they are going ti disarm 300,000,000 guns from people houses, cars, persons."

[AppGrad1]

Not one single "group" asked Washington to stop producing vehicles that could transport mass bombs.

You know you are right because the (vans/truck ban) would have hurt interstate commerce.....but what they did do was highly regulate the sale and the documentation of the sale of ammonium nitrate..."fertilizer". They already regulate the sale of most other "explosives".

Here's a question about your rationale that I can't understand? Two guys hunting dove on Sept. 1 get checked for plugs in their weapons....Plugs out...guns confiscated, trucks confiscated, fined (I am sure I missed some things). But we NEED? assault rifles with high capacity magazines and we do not want them regulated. "Shoot" I might survive a shot gun attack with bird shot....but neither of us would survive the assault rifle attack.

And by the way the NRA came out today that THEY were/would look into "them" placing and sworn officer in every school in America....THE NRA! (Which I recommended last week in a post!)

They (NRA) ALSO went so far as to suggest we regulate the video gaming industry!

Go APPS!

I understand what you are saying but the government limits the number of doves you can shoot to keep them from disappearing. They like to regulate them so that they will still be around.
We can get in all kinds of debates on things like this. We can ask why someone shoots a dog for biting someone and get landed in jail and millions of babies are killed even when partially born and everything's legal. These debates are for another time and forum because there are no political threads on this forum.
There are big differences between murdering humans and hunting animals...