Bob Costas is a moron

[AppGrad1]

If they ever outlaw handguns, what will they be packin' when they drop by to pick up my gun? They better be carrying more than a baseball bat.

As Bon Jovi sang... Go out in a Blaze of Glory!
As Rambo said... Better to die for something than to live for nothing!
I'll list others as they come to mind...

[proudofyosef]

Yeah, it's certainly not the true conservatives who want to know what's going on inside our bedrooms or tell us how our wives should handle a pregnancy.
But, believe me, I'm not going to let ANYBODY take away my right to buy an automatic weapon to shoot deer out of a helicopter. That's my right as an American and a sportsman!

[AppGrad1]

Yeah, it's certainly not the true conservatives who want to know what's going on inside our bedrooms or tell us how our wives should handle a pregnancy.
But, believe me, I'm not going to let ANYBODY take away my right to buy an automatic weapon to shoot deer out of a helicopter. That's my right as an American and a sportsman!

Wow. I was in a stand this morning trying to get my 2nd buck this year.
I need to ride in a chopper for my next one!

[HeffnerIV]

Yeah, it's certainly not the true conservatives who want to know what's going on inside our bedrooms or tell us how our wives should handle a pregnancy.
But, believe me, I'm not going to let ANYBODY take away my right to buy an automatic weapon to shoot deer out of a helicopter. That's my right as an American and a sportsman!

Predictably, my message was misunderstood. TRUE conservatives also don't believe in the government's right to officiate marriage of any sort. Regarding pregnancy however, abortion DOES affect another's liberties- their life, in fact.

[AppinVA]

If they ever outlaw handguns, what will they be packin' when they drop by to pick up my gun? They better be carrying more than a baseball bat.

As Bon Jovi sang... Go out in a Blaze of Glory!
As Rambo said... Better to die for something than to live for nothing!
I'll list others as they come to mind...

Im sure I won't be the first, and it would be a while before they got around my very, very modest stash. I do not believe the second amendment's intent was so we can control the deer population. It is a check and balance designed to prevent an oppressive government. I believe the intent was so that a united citizenry could be as well armed as the government that serves it. Yes, I agree that would be scary today, given the technology, but when you take away the right of citizens to defend themselves, it won't be long until the government that once served its citizens becomes the government that is served by its citizens. By then, your only freedoms will be to smoke up every day at 4:20, marry both your cat and dog and kill as many unborn babies as your heart desires. Everything else will be strictly at the pleasure of the dictatorship.

[bcoach]

So by the arguments you guys are using that means that we should also legalize all drugs because its not the drugs that kill people its the people who are dumb enough to use the drugs in that manner. Same as guns.

Actually, yes. The so-called War on Drugs is a colossal MCF that has cost billions of dollars and yielded little result. Legalize drugs, regulate them and tax them. You generate revenue rather than throw money down a bottomless pit, you reduce the influence of organized crime in the distribution, and you stop making criminals of people who are not infringing upon the rights of anyone by simply using a drug.

How about the people on drugs who kill other people? Legalizing all drugs is just a silly idea. In fact is is as silly as calling what we do a war on drugs. If we were serious we could stop the drug trade for 25% of the money.

[appst89]

So by the arguments you guys are using that means that we should also legalize all drugs because its not the drugs that kill people its the people who are dumb enough to use the drugs in that manner. Same as guns.

Actually, yes. The so-called War on Drugs is a colossal MCF that has cost billions of dollars and yielded little result. Legalize drugs, regulate them and tax them. You generate revenue rather than throw money down a bottomless pit, you reduce the influence of organized crime in the distribution, and you stop making criminals of people who are not infringing upon the rights of anyone by simply using a drug.

How about the people on drugs who kill other people? Legalizing all drugs is just a silly idea. In fact is is as silly as calling what we do a war on drugs. If we were serious we could stop the drug trade for 25% of the money.

No different than a drunk driver, or someone texting while driving killing someone. There are already laws that cover those situations. They are crimes and should be. Using a drug in the privacy of one's own home does not infringe on the rights of others in any way and should be legal. I don't think it is silly at all.

[bcoach]

So by the arguments you guys are using that means that we should also legalize all drugs because its not the drugs that kill people its the people who are dumb enough to use the drugs in that manner. Same as guns.

Actually, yes. The so-called War on Drugs is a colossal MCF that has cost billions of dollars and yielded little result. Legalize drugs, regulate them and tax them. You generate revenue rather than throw money down a bottomless pit, you reduce the influence of organized crime in the distribution, and you stop making criminals of people who are not infringing upon the rights of anyone by simply using a drug.

How about the people on drugs who kill other people? Legalizing all drugs is just a silly idea. In fact is is as silly as calling what we do a war on drugs. If we were serious we could stop the drug trade for 25% of the money.

No different than a drunk driver, or someone texting while driving killing someone. There are already laws that cover those situations. They are crimes and should be. Using a drug in the privacy of one's own home does not infringe on the rights of others in any way and should be legal. I don't think it is silly at all.

I am not talking about driving accidents, that is a very weak argument and we don't take those seriously either. If you do want to talk about that though I guess it is an example of how harmful a legal drug can be. I am talking about violent crimes. People killing family members and others. It is obvious you have never been a victim. You have never had to live with the destruction an addict produces. It is a horrible idea. It never stays in the privacy of your home. You need to talk to some victims..

[appst89]

So by the arguments you guys are using that means that we should also legalize all drugs because its not the drugs that kill people its the people who are dumb enough to use the drugs in that manner. Same as guns.

Actually, yes. The so-called War on Drugs is a colossal MCF that has cost billions of dollars and yielded little result. Legalize drugs, regulate them and tax them. You generate revenue rather than throw money down a bottomless pit, you reduce the influence of organized crime in the distribution, and you stop making criminals of people who are not infringing upon the rights of anyone by simply using a drug.

How about the people on drugs who kill other people? Legalizing all drugs is just a silly idea. In fact is is as silly as calling what we do a war on drugs. If we were serious we could stop the drug trade for 25% of the money.

No different than a drunk driver, or someone texting while driving killing someone. There are already laws that cover those situations. They are crimes and should be. Using a drug in the privacy of one's own home does not infringe on the rights of others in any way and should be legal. I don't think it is silly at all.

I am not talking about driving accidents, that is a very weak argument and we don't take those seriously either. If you do want to talk about that though I guess it is an example of how harmful a legal drug can be. I am talking about violent crimes. People killing family members and others. It is obvious you have never been a victim. You have never had to live with the destruction an addict produces. It is a horrible idea. It never stays in the privacy of your home. You need to talk to some victims..

Not only is that presumptuous, but it's wrong. You don't know anything about what I have or haven't experienced.

Aside from making that comment, I'm done with this. We disagree and we'll leave it there.

[bcoach]

Yes we do disagree and that is ok.

[JCline0429]

So by the arguments you guys are using that means that we should also legalize all drugs because its not the drugs that kill people its the people who are dumb enough to use the drugs in that manner. Same as guns.

Actually, yes. The so-called War on Drugs is a colossal MCF that has cost billions of dollars and yielded little result. Legalize drugs, regulate them and tax them. You generate revenue rather than throw money down a bottomless pit, you reduce the influence of organized crime in the distribution, and you stop making criminals of people who are not infringing upon the rights of anyone by simply using a drug.

How about the people on drugs who kill other people? Legalizing all drugs is just a silly idea. In fact is is as silly as calling what we do a war on drugs. If we were serious we could stop the drug trade for 25% of the money.

How? I'd like to know because I believe in the war on drugs and would like to see it more effective.

[JCline0429]

So by the arguments you guys are using that means that we should also legalize all drugs because its not the drugs that kill people its the people who are dumb enough to use the drugs in that manner. Same as guns.

Actually, yes. The so-called War on Drugs is a colossal MCF that has cost billions of dollars and yielded little result. Legalize drugs, regulate them and tax them. You generate revenue rather than throw money down a bottomless pit, you reduce the influence of organized crime in the distribution, and you stop making criminals of people who are not infringing upon the rights of anyone by simply using a drug.

How about the people on drugs who kill other people? Legalizing all drugs is just a silly idea. In fact is is as silly as calling what we do a war on drugs. If we were serious we could stop the drug trade for 25% of the money.

No different than a drunk driver, or someone texting while driving killing someone. There are already laws that cover those situations. They are crimes and should be. Using a drug in the privacy of one's own home does not infringe on the rights of others in any way and should be legal. I don't think it is silly at all.

Saying they don't infringe on the rights of others is at least partially incorrect. People commit crimes in the privacy of their own homes. Too, we spend billions of taxpayer money on rehabilitating addicts. We spend no telling how much on families on welfare because someone can't control their habit and spend money that should be used on the family's needs. I interviewed a girl for a scholarship whose father ran up an insurmountable debt on drugs and then died of an overdose leaving the family with 3 children without a father. To want to legalize drugs for various reasons is one thing but to call drug use a victimless crime is not true in my opinion.

[bcoach]

Well it takes a few serious steps and I am leaving to get on the road. If you seriously want to know I'll get back to you.

[appst89]

So by the arguments you guys are using that means that we should also legalize all drugs because its not the drugs that kill people its the people who are dumb enough to use the drugs in that manner. Same as guns.

Actually, yes. The so-called War on Drugs is a colossal MCF that has cost billions of dollars and yielded little result. Legalize drugs, regulate them and tax them. You generate revenue rather than throw money down a bottomless pit, you reduce the influence of organized crime in the distribution, and you stop making criminals of people who are not infringing upon the rights of anyone by simply using a drug.

How about the people on drugs who kill other people? Legalizing all drugs is just a silly idea. In fact is is as silly as calling what we do a war on drugs. If we were serious we could stop the drug trade for 25% of the money.

No different than a drunk driver, or someone texting while driving killing someone. There are already laws that cover those situations. They are crimes and should be. Using a drug in the privacy of one's own home does not infringe on the rights of others in any way and should be legal. I don't think it is silly at all.

Saying they don't infringe on the rights of others is at least partially incorrect. People commit crimes in the privacy of their own homes. Too, we spend billions of taxpayer money on rehabilitating addicts. We spend no telling how much on families on welfare because someone can't control their habit and spend money that should be used on the family's needs. I interviewed a girl for a scholarship whose father ran up an insurmountable debt on drugs and then died of an overdose leaving the family with 3 children without a father. To want to legalize drugs for various reasons is one thing but to call drug use a victimless crime is not true in my opinion.

I said I'm done with it. We left out the politics folder for a reason. This thread is closed. And I apologize both for letting it go as long as it did and for being part of the cause of it doing so.