Q for Kernersville, Hickory & Raleigh Area Mountaineers

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Q for Kernersville, Hickory & Raleigh Area Mountaineers

Unread post by asu66 » Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:33 pm

The question about next season's post play in the absence of M.Obacha and Jacob Lawson continues to come up after each App loss in Sun Belt play.

Returnees Griff Kinney (junior), Tyrrell Johnson (soph), Bennett Holley (soph) and to a lesser degree, Matt O'Boyle (senior) and Mike Kobani (senior) will be counted on to pick up the slack created by the graduation of Obacha and Lawson. Then, unless Fox has an ace or two up his sleeve during the spring signing period (beginning on Wed., April 13), 6-7 VMI transfer Craig Hinton and 7-1 Lenoir-Rhyne transfer Jake Wilson will also be looked at for help in the post.

Who among us has knowledge of the word around practice and around Iron Mike's weight room of the progress Hinton and Wilson have made toward becoming contributors to the basketball program. Hinton has hops and has played two seasons of low-major D-I basketball. He is not, however a true 6-7. He's probably 6-5½, with two inches of hair (no ill will implied here). He'll be playing against taller competition every night out. Wilson is 7-1; and you can't coach that. The questions I have are about his upper body strength and his coordination in running the floor, handling/passing the ball and finishing at the rim.

Anyone have a scouting report on the transfers since their arrival on campus last fall? What about you, T-Dog? What's you observation about these two, new Mountaineers.
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Re: Q for Kernersville, Hickory & Raleigh Area Mountaineers

Unread post by firemoose » Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:52 pm

The last report I heard on Wilson was at the beginning of the season and he had already put on 25 lbs from his listed transfer weight. Knowing our S & C staff that won't be fat. We'll see how much more they will add but sounds like he's off to a pretty good start. And BTW one of the main uses for the Trap Bars that we helped Mike to purchase was for use with Basketball and other tall players. I believe he's exactly the type they are designed to help.

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Re: Q for Kernersville, Hickory & Raleigh Area Mountaineers

Unread post by asu66 » Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:56 am

firemoose wrote:The last report I heard on Wilson was at the beginning of the season and he had already put on 25 lbs from his listed transfer weight. Knowing our S & C staff that won't be fat. We'll see how much more they will add but sounds like he's off to a pretty good start. And BTW one of the main uses for the Trap Bars that we helped Mike to purchase was for use with Basketball and other tall players. I believe he's exactly the type they are designed to help.
The news of weight gain is very positive. Sometimes young men with Wilson's build learn that they've inherited the gene for Marfan Syndrome. One of our men's basketball alumni died just a few months after his graduation. He was a seven-foot + guy from High Point. Cremins and Cantwell did everything to try to build his strength and weight--but the young man just couldn't add an ounce. I'm sure some of our membership will remember Mike Crissman ('77 to '80) from High Point. Tragic. Brilliant math major, I believe. Gone way, way too soon.

I'm sure Wilson has been carefully screened for the symptoms using the very latest research. He wouldn't have been allowed to play at LRU or ASU if there was any doubt what-so-ever.
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Re: Q for Kernersville, Hickory & Raleigh Area Mountaineers

Unread post by scatman77 » Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:23 pm

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firemoose wrote:The last report I heard on Wilson was at the beginning of the season and he had already put on 25 lbs from his listed transfer weight. Knowing our S & C staff that won't be fat. We'll see how much more they will add but sounds like he's off to a pretty good start. And BTW one of the main uses for the Trap Bars that we helped Mike to purchase was for use with Basketball and other tall players. I believe he's exactly the type they are designed to help.
The news of weight gain is very positive. Sometimes young men with Wilson's build learn that they've inherited the gene for Marfan Syndrome. One of our men's basketball alumni died just a few months after his graduation. He was a seven-foot + guy from High Point. Cremins and Cantwell did everything to try to build his strength and weight--but the young man just couldn't add an ounce. I'm sure some of our membership will remember Mike Crissman ('77 to '80) from High Point. Tragic. Brilliant math major, I believe. Gone way, way too soon.

I'm sure Wilson has been carefully screened for the symptoms using the very latest research. He wouldn't have been allowed to play at LRU or ASU if there was any doubt what-so-ever.
Mike was certainly a tragedy. Marfan's took him from us way too soon.
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Re: Q for Kernersville, Hickory & Raleigh Area Mountaineers

Unread post by sixtoes9134 » Sun Feb 07, 2016 4:32 pm

This is the one area that concerns me the most.

We are only competitive now when we shoot 70% from the field.

We have to get some guys who can actually play in the post. We just don't have it now and it is a serious issue.

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Re: Q for Kernersville, Hickory & Raleigh Area Mountaineers

Unread post by bigCasu » Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:57 am

asu66 wrote:The question about next season's post play in the absence of M.Obacha and Jacob Lawson continues to come up after each App loss in Sun Belt play.

Returnees Griff Kinney (junior), Tyrrell Johnson (soph), Bennett Holley (soph) and to a lesser degree, Matt O'Boyle (senior) and Mike Kobani (senior) will be counted on to pick up the slack created by the graduation of Obacha and Lawson. Then, unless Fox has an ace or two up his sleeve during the spring signing period (beginning on Wed., April 13), 6-7 VMI transfer Craig Hinton and 7-1 Lenoir-Rhyne transfer Jake Wilson will also be looked at for help in the post.

Who among us has knowledge of the word around practice and around Iron Mike's weight room of the progress Hinton and Wilson have made toward becoming contributors to the basketball program. Hinton has hops and has played two seasons of low-major D-I basketball. He is not, however a true 6-7. He's probably 6-5½, with two inches of hair (no ill will implied here). He'll be playing against taller competition every night out. Wilson is 7-1; and you can't coach that. The questions I have are about his upper body strength and his coordination in running the floor, handling/passing the ball and finishing at the rim.

Anyone have a scouting report on the transfers since their arrival on campus last fall? What about you, T-Dog? What's you observation about these two, new Mountaineers.
Matt O'Boyle could be in line to start next season. Kobani might not even make the squad next year if you ask me, but theat depends on a lot of moving pieces.

We can talk about weight all we want, but Fox prefers shooters at every position and expects every position to rebound as well. I can't speak to Hinton and Wilson as I have not seen them practice. I'll see if I can do some digging.

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Re: Q for Kernersville, Hickory & Raleigh Area Mountaineers

Unread post by TheMackAttack » Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:38 pm

bigCasu wrote:
asu66 wrote:The question about next season's post play in the absence of M.Obacha and Jacob Lawson continues to come up after each App loss in Sun Belt play.

Returnees Griff Kinney (junior), Tyrrell Johnson (soph), Bennett Holley (soph) and to a lesser degree, Matt O'Boyle (senior) and Mike Kobani (senior) will be counted on to pick up the slack created by the graduation of Obacha and Lawson. Then, unless Fox has an ace or two up his sleeve during the spring signing period (beginning on Wed., April 13), 6-7 VMI transfer Craig Hinton and 7-1 Lenoir-Rhyne transfer Jake Wilson will also be looked at for help in the post.

Who among us has knowledge of the word around practice and around Iron Mike's weight room of the progress Hinton and Wilson have made toward becoming contributors to the basketball program. Hinton has hops and has played two seasons of low-major D-I basketball. He is not, however a true 6-7. He's probably 6-5½, with two inches of hair (no ill will implied here). He'll be playing against taller competition every night out. Wilson is 7-1; and you can't coach that. The questions I have are about his upper body strength and his coordination in running the floor, handling/passing the ball and finishing at the rim.

Anyone have a scouting report on the transfers since their arrival on campus last fall? What about you, T-Dog? What's you observation about these two, new Mountaineers.
Matt O'Boyle could be in line to start next season. Kobani might not even make the squad next year if you ask me, but theat depends on a lot of moving pieces.

We can talk about weight all we want, but Fox prefers shooters at every position and expects every position to rebound as well. I can't speak to Hinton and Wilson as I have not seen them practice. I'll see if I can do some digging.

Well Kobani is a senior, so I'd say that pretty much closes the door on him being on the team next year. I do think we need to use our last scholarship on a legitimate 6'7+ guy who can hold his own in the post, 6'10+ would be ideal, but I'm guessing most of those guys are spoken for by now.
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Re: Q for Kernersville, Hickory & Raleigh Area Mountaineers

Unread post by bigCasu » Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:46 am

TheMackAttack wrote: Well Kobani is a senior, so I'd say that pretty much closes the door on him being on the team next year. I do think we need to use our last scholarship on a legitimate 6'7+ guy who can hold his own in the post, 6'10+ would be ideal, but I'm guessing most of those guys are spoken for by now.
Not to argue, but I am seeing Kobani listed as a junior everywhere I check. Unless he is ahead of schedule, which I have no reason to believe, he's still technically a junior on the court.

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Re: Q for Kernersville, Hickory & Raleigh Area Mountaineers

Unread post by app97 » Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:11 am

bigCasu wrote:
TheMackAttack wrote: Well Kobani is a senior, so I'd say that pretty much closes the door on him being on the team next year. I do think we need to use our last scholarship on a legitimate 6'7+ guy who can hold his own in the post, 6'10+ would be ideal, but I'm guessing most of those guys are spoken for by now.
Not to argue, but I am seeing Kobani listed as a junior everywhere I check. Unless he is ahead of schedule, which I have no reason to believe, he's still technically a junior on the court.
Kobani is a junior, and the last of the Capel recruits after this season. It's interesting that Fox started him early last year when Obacha was injured, then effectively benched him for most of the season, even playing R. Gilbert over him near the end. Kobani was actually somewhat productive in the early games last season when he was getting minutes. My guess is that he sorely lacks in defense and/or work ethic, but what do I know?

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Re: Q for Kernersville, Hickory & Raleigh Area Mountaineers

Unread post by asu66 » Thu Feb 11, 2016 12:00 pm

bigCasu wrote:
asu66 wrote:The question about next season's post play in the absence of M.Obacha and Jacob Lawson continues to come up after each App loss in Sun Belt play.

Returnees Griff Kinney (junior), Tyrrell Johnson (soph), Bennett Holley (soph) and to a lesser degree, Matt O'Boyle (senior) and Mike Kobani (senior) will be counted on to pick up the slack created by the graduation of Obacha and Lawson. Then, unless Fox has an ace or two up his sleeve during the spring signing period (beginning on Wed., April 13), 6-7 VMI transfer Craig Hinton and 7-1 Lenoir-Rhyne transfer Jake Wilson will also be looked at for help in the post.

Who among us has knowledge of the word around practice and around Iron Mike's weight room of the progress Hinton and Wilson have made toward becoming contributors to the basketball program. Hinton has hops and has played two seasons of low-major D-I basketball. He is not, however a true 6-7. He's probably 6-5½, with two inches of hair (no ill will implied here). He'll be playing against taller competition every night out. Wilson is 7-1; and you can't coach that. The questions I have are about his upper body strength and his coordination in running the floor, handling/passing the ball and finishing at the rim.

Anyone have a scouting report on the transfers since their arrival on campus last fall? What about you, T-Dog? What's you observation about these two, new Mountaineers.
Matt O'Boyle could be in line to start next season. Kobani might not even make the squad next year if you ask me, but theat depends on a lot of moving pieces.

We can talk about weight all we want, but Fox prefers shooters at every position and expects every position to rebound as well. I can't speak to Hinton and Wilson as I have not seen them practice. I'll see if I can do some digging.
I have no objection to O'Boyle being a starter next season if he's the best we have at his position. Since he's a JuCo transfer, next year is his last trip "around" so-to-speak. I just think at his size--a tall 6-5--he's not a post player. He needs to be on the perimeter; and he needs to get his shot dialed in more consistently.

And, Big C, please do check the grapevine about how Hinton and Wilson are doing--both in Iron Mike's program and on the hardwood. You, Moose and T-Dog have connections that no one else can touch. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Q for Kernersville, Hickory & Raleigh Area Mountaineers

Unread post by AppinVA » Thu Feb 11, 2016 4:56 pm

app97 wrote:
bigCasu wrote:
TheMackAttack wrote: Well Kobani is a senior, so I'd say that pretty much closes the door on him being on the team next year. I do think we need to use our last scholarship on a legitimate 6'7+ guy who can hold his own in the post, 6'10+ would be ideal, but I'm guessing most of those guys are spoken for by now.
Not to argue, but I am seeing Kobani listed as a junior everywhere I check. Unless he is ahead of schedule, which I have no reason to believe, he's still technically a junior on the court.
Kobani is a junior, and the last of the Capel recruits after this season. It's interesting that Fox started him early last year when Obacha was injured, then effectively benched him for most of the season, even playing R. Gilbert over him near the end. Kobani was actually somewhat productive in the early games last season when he was getting minutes. My guess is that he sorely lacks in defense and/or work ethic, but what do I know?
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Re: Q for Kernersville, Hickory & Raleigh Area Mountaineers

Unread post by TheMackAttack » Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:22 pm

bigCasu wrote:
TheMackAttack wrote: Well Kobani is a senior, so I'd say that pretty much closes the door on him being on the team next year. I do think we need to use our last scholarship on a legitimate 6'7+ guy who can hold his own in the post, 6'10+ would be ideal, but I'm guessing most of those guys are spoken for by now.
Not to argue, but I am seeing Kobani listed as a junior everywhere I check. Unless he is ahead of schedule, which I have no reason to believe, he's still technically a junior on the court.

You're right, I was thinking of Obacha.
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Re: Q for Kernersville, Hickory & Raleigh Area Mountaineers

Unread post by RollNeers » Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:05 pm

I think a lineup next year of Logan, Shabazz, O'Boyle, a bigger Johnson, and Wilson (assuming he is a decently talented 7'1) could do some serious damage in the Sun Belt

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Re: Q for Kernersville, Hickory & Raleigh Area Mountaineers

Unread post by app97 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:44 am

RollNeers wrote:I think a lineup next year of Logan, Shabazz, O'Boyle, a bigger Johnson, and Wilson (assuming he is a decently talented 7'1) could do some serious damage in the Sun Belt
or a linenup of Logan, Shabazz, Cottrell/O'boyle, Hinton, Johnson

but, we really need that post player who can provide productivity on both ends of the floor. (someone with the attributes of Spagnolo, Lawson, and Donte Minter combined would be nice, and maybe Healy's range), but I don't ask for much :)

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Re: Q for Kernersville, Hickory & Raleigh Area Mountaineers

Unread post by hapapp » Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:15 am

Don't overlook the kid from Kingsport...he is a scoring machine.

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Unread post by RollNeers » Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:28 am

hapapp wrote:Don't overlook the kid from Kingsport...he is a scoring machine.
I agree I think he will be very good but I've seen him listed at 154. He needs some S&C, which we he will get for sure.

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Re: Q for Kernersville, Hickory & Raleigh Area Mountaineers

Unread post by app97 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:39 pm

hapapp wrote:Don't overlook the kid from Kingsport...he is a scoring machine.
wonder why he didn't get offers from d 1 schools until we came along? Maybe he's a gem. I wondered why Tyrell Johnson wasn't getting many offers last year as well, after seeing highlights. Maybe our coaches are pretty good at finding overlooked talent that fit the system. I suppose Fox has a little bit of experience with that in the past (Curry)

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Re: Q for Kernersville, Hickory & Raleigh Area Mountaineers

Unread post by bigCasu » Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:08 pm

Fox has told me, if Johnson was 25 pounds heavier, he wouldn't be at App.


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