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[Bigdaddyg1]

Some of you blowhards only need a tiny shred of politics to take any good thread off the rails

You're rather sensitive.

Supporting athletics, the military, and enforcement of law used to be red-blooded America values, not political.

My comment wasn't a direct reply to anyone yet you were the first to say something hence my point.

[AppStFan1]

Maybe I’d have more respect for her if she showed our coaches the respect they deserve…particularly the ones that raise the university’s stature on the regional and national level.

I've heard this same refrain from people who talk regularly to the football coaches. Those people (the people who talk to coaches) love to pile on Everts for every little transgression. I've found it grating, especially from certain podcasters who never liked her from day one because her name wasn't Ken Peacock.

There are legitimate reasons to criticize Everts (dealing with the faculty, time spent in Boone, etc). But very few have come from this group.

Heard same thing. I don't like that she steps in to hog some spotlight and ride their coattails when they do something. I don't want to see her at the tournament holding up the trophy if we win if she has not been regularly attending basketball games. I don't listen to any App State podcasts. Is Big C among them or are there others?

Like Peacock running around in front of the student section with FCS championship trophies?

He earned that right because of what all he did. Peacock was hyping up the students and was always involved even if we lost. I am pulling for Everts to open more up more with athletics and would like to see her embrace Clark and be better with our coaches. It does seem interesting to me that Peacock was loved by everyone and Everts is liked by some groups while on athletics she is not. Like someone else said, I have talked to people close to coaches and she has not been a truly ally of them. Everyone in our athletics department should feel support from the AD and chancellor. The fact we have many who don't is not good.

[AppStFan1]

She is not popular with elements of the faculty because of her support for athletics. Also for her support of ROTC and the campus police.There are some on campus that want those three eliminated.

I have never understood why some faculty consider athletics an enemy and don't fully embrace it. The more publicity we get from athletics the more applicants we get and thus improve the quality of student body. We have people who want the ROTC, athletics, and police gone? So they want anarchy with people committing crimes and they don't have any sense of school pride? Some people just have to be upset or triggered about everything and that is a sad life to live.

[AppStFan1]

Despite haven beaten them twice JMU has a NET of 63, while we sit at 76. They don’t have the bad losses we do. If we both win out until the championship game, they as a loser there would likely get a better look as a at large than us as the loser. Though neither probably gets an at large.

Those early losses are hurting for sure. From seeing how the NET has done we would be better off if we had lost a close one to Auburn and beat both NIU and Oregon State. I wonder if we would be in the top 50 of the NET and ranked in the AP and Coaches polls if we had beat NIU and Oregon State.

[WASU 93]

Despite haven beaten them twice JMU has a NET of 63, while we sit at 76. They don’t have the bad losses we do. If we both win out until the championship game, they as a loser there would likely get a better look as a at large than us as the loser. Though neither probably gets an at large.

Those early losses are hurting for sure. From seeing how the NET has done we would be better off if we had lost a close one to Auburn and beat both NIU and Oregon State. I wonder if we would be in the top 50 of the NET and ranked in the AP and Coaches polls if we had beat NIU and Oregon State.

Grand Canyon is #45. They are 1-1 in Quad 1/3-1 in Quad 2/5-0 Quad 3/11-0 Quad 4
Princeton is #50. They are 0-0 in Quad 1/1-3 in Quad 2/7-0 Quad 3/6-0 Quad 4

App State is #76. We are 2-0 in Quad 1/1-0 in Quad 2/4-3 Quad 3/10-1 Quad 4
NC State is #77. They are 0-5 in Quad 1/4-2 in Quad 2/3-0 Quad 3/8-0 Quad 4

So, "bad" losses definitely hurt. But, there is some weight carried by those Quad 1 wins.

Our remaining games:
Q4 Away (261) Texas St. 02/07/2024
Q3 Home (122) Toledo 02/10/2024
Q4 Home (218) Marshall 02/15/2024
Q3 Home (116) Louisiana 02/17/2024
Q4 Away (284) Old Dominion 02/22/2024
Q3 Away (218) Marshall 02/24/2024
Q4 Home (284) Old Dominion 02/28/2024
Q4 Home (182) Arkansas St. 03/01/2024

Looking outside our conference, South Florida #101 and Charlotte #95 are tied for first in the American.

Here's South Florida's remaining schedule:
Q3 Home (95) Charlotte 02/06/2024
Q3 Away (211) Rice 02/10/2024
Q4 Home (180) Tulsa 02/14/2024
Q1 Home (25) 20 Fla. Atlantic 02/18/2024
Q4 Away (279) UTSA 02/21/2024
Q2 Home (46) SMU 02/25/2024
Q2 Away (95) Charlotte 03/02/2024
Q3 Home (115) Tulane 03/05/2024
Q3 Away (180) Tulsa 03/09/2024

So, while there is not a ton of difference, we need the Belt to get stronger to get two teams in.

[hapapp]

There are 33 D1 basketball conferences. The Sun Belt is ranked 19th. The Big South is 17th and the SoCin is 13th.

For the record, if the RPI was the metric still used, we would be rated 71st. Slightly better than our 76 NET rating. Madison would be around 100.

[AppDub]

What I don't understand is those were early season losses that continue to pull us down, while the early season JMU win over MSU is still lifting them despite. Down year for MSU. Seems a little disproportionate. I would think recent performance would add a little more. Granted the Sun Belt is down and those are our opponents right now, but rattling off a streak like we have should hold some weight.

[Saint3333]

Some of you blowhards only need a tiny shred of politics to take any good thread off the rails

You're rather sensitive.

Supporting athletics, the military, and enforcement of law used to be red-blooded America values, not political.

My comment wasn't a direct reply to anyone yet you were the first to say something hence my point.

My point remains.

[hapapp]

What I don't understand is those were early season losses that continue to pull us down, while the early season JMU win over MSU is still lifting them despite. Down year for MSU. Seems a little disproportionate. I would think recent performance would add a little more. Granted the Sun Belt is down and those are our opponents right now, but rattling off a strak like we have should hold some weight.

JMU lost to USM and us twice, and two of those on the road. No really bad losses. Two of our losses are to teams under .500.

[AppStFan1]

Despite haven beaten them twice JMU has a NET of 63, while we sit at 76. They don’t have the bad losses we do. If we both win out until the championship game, they as a loser there would likely get a better look as a at large than us as the loser. Though neither probably gets an at large.

Those early losses are hurting for sure. From seeing how the NET has done we would be better off if we had lost a close one to Auburn and beat both NIU and Oregon State. I wonder if we would be in the top 50 of the NET and ranked in the AP and Coaches polls if we had beat NIU and Oregon State.

Grand Canyon is #45. They are 1-1 in Quad 1/3-1 in Quad 2/5-0 Quad 3/11-0 Quad 4
Princeton is #50. They are 0-0 in Quad 1/1-3 in Quad 2/7-0 Quad 3/6-0 Quad 4

App State is #76. We are 2-0 in Quad 1/1-0 in Quad 2/4-3 Quad 3/10-1 Quad 4
NC State is #77. They are 0-5 in Quad 1/4-2 in Quad 2/3-0 Quad 3/8-0 Quad 4

So, "bad" losses definitely hurt. But, there is some weight carried by those Quad 1 wins.

Our remaining games:
Q4 Away (261) Texas St. 02/07/2024
Q3 Home (122) Toledo 02/10/2024
Q4 Home (218) Marshall 02/15/2024
Q3 Home (116) Louisiana 02/17/2024
Q4 Away (284) Old Dominion 02/22/2024
Q3 Away (218) Marshall 02/24/2024
Q4 Home (284) Old Dominion 02/28/2024
Q4 Home (182) Arkansas St. 03/01/2024

Looking outside our conference, South Florida #101 and Charlotte #95 are tied for first in the American.

Here's South Florida's remaining schedule:
Q3 Home (95) Charlotte 02/06/2024
Q3 Away (211) Rice 02/10/2024
Q4 Home (180) Tulsa 02/14/2024
Q1 Home (25) 20 Fla. Atlantic 02/18/2024
Q4 Away (279) UTSA 02/21/2024
Q2 Home (46) SMU 02/25/2024
Q2 Away (95) Charlotte 03/02/2024
Q3 Home (115) Tulane 03/05/2024
Q3 Away (180) Tulsa 03/09/2024

So, while there is not a ton of difference, we need the Belt to get stronger to get two teams in.

There is definite weight to the big wins but I believe we would be closer to being ranked if we were 22-1 with a loss to Auburn than at 19-4 with a win over Auburn. If not for the bad losses we would probably be in the top 20 of the NET right now.

We definitely need the league to be stronger. It would help big time if the league was so strong we had 3-4 teams ranked in the mid-major poll. Another thing going against us is that we don't have a strong rep for being good in basketball as a school. If we finish strong this year and make a strong run though we could be given a lot of preseason hype if we return all who can come back and Kerns stays but I know the odds of that so I am just enjoying the current run!

[AppFan11]

When you start comparing the rating systems….. they all have pluses and minuses…. The NCAA “says” they used the NET system… only to sort the teams…. Kenpom is a predictive model …. The selection committee essentially meets twice and that’s why they have to go through a ton of data in a short time… plus the actual revised NET ranking system they use is altered from the one that’s in the NCAA site…. all shrouded in ambiguity…. that way people will watch the selection show….. the Net system on the NCAA site for instance does-not factor in head to head…. which seems mind numbly stupid…. also doe not factor in recency…. seems like you could include it in the formula….. there are some really good articles from some data scientists out there that go over this stuff….. and it does appear that quad four losses are worth more than quad one wins…..which again, hopefully the humans in the room can “sort” this out…….. keep winning boys.

[hapapp]

FWIW, someone on the Belt did a tournament pairings if the season ended today. We would face the winner of Ga State-GS.

[agentpaul001]

When you start comparing the rating systems….. they all have pluses and minuses…. The NCAA “says” they used the NET system… only to sort the teams…. Kenpom is a predictive model …. The selection committee essentially meets twice and that’s why they have to go through a ton of data in a short time… plus the actual revised NET ranking system they use is altered from the one that’s in the NCAA site…. all shrouded in ambiguity…. that way people will watch the selection show….. the Net system on the NCAA site for instance does-not factor in head to head…. which seems mind numbly stupid…. also doe not factor in recency…. seems like you could include it in the formula….. there are some really good articles from some data scientists out there that go over this stuff….. and it does appear that quad four losses are worth more than quad one wins…..which again, hopefully the humans in the room can “sort” this out…….. keep winning boys.

Yah agreed still a lot of basketball to go. The SOS at least won't get any weaker from here. If the teams wins out they'll be in the at-large conversation come tournament time. Looking at the AP Top 25 there are frankly more deserving teams at the moment. When you've got five losses and half are to Top 25 teams, you're going to get the nod. But it'll be different in a month if App is still sitting at four losses and the competition is below .500 in conference play.

Looking specifically at the at-large teams getting the nod from Lunardi at the moment and many of them have absolutely brutal conference schedules. There is going to be a real shaking out these next couple weeks.

The number of AP votes will keep increasing week by week as the wins happen + teams start dropping games.

[Bootsy]

I’ve always found it comical that early season games (when most teams are still trying to find chemistry, knock the rust off, etc.) factor so much into a squad’s ranking.

[AppDub]

What I don't understand is those were early season losses that continue to pull us down, while the early season JMU win over MSU is still lifting them despite. Down year for MSU. Seems a little disproportionate. I would think recent performance would add a little more. Granted the Sun Belt is down and those are our opponents right now, but rattling off a strak like we have should hold some weight.

JMU lost to USM and us twice, and two of those on the road. No really bad losses. Two of our losses are to teams under .500.

Don't disagree, just saying that timing of losses should matter.

[hapapp]

What I don't understand is those were early season losses that continue to pull us down, while the early season JMU win over MSU is still lifting them despite. Down year for MSU. Seems a little disproportionate. I would think recent performance would add a little more. Granted the Sun Belt is down and those are our opponents right now, but rattling off a strak like we have should hold some weight.

JMU lost to USM and us twice, and two of those on the road. No really bad losses. Two of our losses are to teams under .500.

Don't disagree, just saying that timing of losses should matter.

While NET may not consider it, the committee can.

[appgrad95&97]

Haveing thought about this for a few days, the Georgia Southern game says a lot about this team: honestly, we played poorly on the road against a rival and won.