Matt McMahon, come on down...

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Unread post by sonsofyosef » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:03 pm

Kgfish wrote:
thegreengopher wrote:According to reliable sources the players wanted Mc then.....they were asked what they thought of capel and all spoke highly of him and genuinely liked and respected him but expected/wanted McMahon to get the hire.
Cobb is nobody's dummy and was clever to spin those comments into a validation for hiring Capel. He couldn't go public with the real reason (Mark Harrell) and there was nothing he could use to support hiring a guy with 1 year experience as a third assistant. Thus the "I did it for the players" angle. In doing so he also left himself an out if the thing fell apart. Not my fault, that's what those players wanted.
He only listened to the "players that mattered".

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Unread post by Kgfish » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:09 pm

App91 wrote:Has nothing to do with admitting wrong, has everyting to do with being able to identify and hire the right candidate for the job, whomever that person is.
Oh contraire...... Make no mistake about it Cobb has a ego. The $64,000 question Is can he put aside everything that transpired between he and Matt.
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Re: Matt McMahon, come on down...

Unread post by Kgfish » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:10 pm

sonsofyosef wrote:
Kgfish wrote:
thegreengopher wrote:According to reliable sources the players wanted Mc then.....they were asked what they thought of capel and all spoke highly of him and genuinely liked and respected him but expected/wanted McMahon to get the hire.
Cobb is nobody's dummy and was clever to spin those comments into a validation for hiring Capel. He couldn't go public with the real reason (Mark Harrell) and there was nothing he could use to support hiring a guy with 1 year experience as a third assistant. Thus the "I did it for the players" angle. In doing so he also left himself an out if the thing fell apart. Not my fault, that's what those players wanted.
He only listened to the "players that mattered".
Yea right!!! :roll:
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Re: Matt McMahon, come on down...

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:15 pm

Kgfish wrote:
App91 wrote:Has nothing to do with admitting wrong, has everyting to do with being able to identify and hire the right candidate for the job, whomever that person is.
Oh contraire...... Make no mistake about it Cobb has a ego. The $64,000 question Is can he put aside everything that transpired between he and Matt.
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Unread post by Saint3333 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:49 pm

WVAPPeer wrote:
Kgfish wrote:
App91 wrote:Has nothing to do with admitting wrong, has everyting to do with being able to identify and hire the right candidate for the job, whomever that person is.
Oh contraire...... Make no mistake about it Cobb has a ego. The $64,000 question Is can he put aside everything that transpired between he and Matt.
--- or can Matt if it comes to that? ---
If he applies we will know the answer to that.

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Re: Matt McMahon, come on down...

Unread post by asu66 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:17 pm

Saint3333 wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:
Kgfish wrote:
App91 wrote:Has nothing to do with admitting wrong, has everyting to do with being able to identify and hire the right candidate for the job, whomever that person is.
Oh contraire...... Make no mistake about it Cobb has a ego. The $64,000 question Is can he put aside everything that transpired between he and Matt.
--- or can Matt if it comes to that? ---
If he applies we will know the answer to that.

Matt doesn't necessarily have to apply. Cobb will return from New Orleans with a list of coaches that have been been recommended to him by others. He and/or his committee will make decisions to contact folks who have not sent "vitas" or submitted letters of "application." Some of the better candidates never submit applications. They sit back and wait to be contacted--but they have ways of getting messages through to the people that count that they "might" have some interest. It's a game played for high stakes.
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Re: Matt McMahon, come on down...

Unread post by APPARJ » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:49 pm

WVAPPeer wrote:
Kgfish wrote:
App91 wrote:Has nothing to do with admitting wrong, has everyting to do with being able to identify and hire the right candidate for the job, whomever that person is.
Oh contraire...... Make no mistake about it Cobb has a ego. The $64,000 question Is can he put aside everything that transpired between he and Matt.
--- or can Matt if it comes to that? ---
There really isn't a better summation of the possibility of Matt returning to coach than the $64,000 question posed by Kgfish. It's a one-sided issue, as far as I am concerned.

But against all odds, I'm pulling for McMahon. I would be more than thrilled.
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Unread post by Maddog1956 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:29 pm

After this year I think Cobb will easily set his ego aside, instead of facing the possibility of tar and feathers. If he thinks McMahon is the man to do it.
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Re: Matt McMahon, come on down...

Unread post by App91 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:18 pm

Kgfish wrote:
App91 wrote:Has nothing to do with admitting wrong, has everyting to do with being able to identify and hire the right candidate for the job, whomever that person is.
Oh contraire...... Make no mistake about it Cobb has a ego. The $64,000 question Is can he put aside everything that transpired between he and Matt.
Never said that he did not have an ego. Anyone spending more than 2 seconds with him knows that he has a huge one. I also think Matt know what the score was previously and that CC's hands were tied. I do not know this part, but I am not sure there are lingering issues between the two beacuse of the previous situation. Others will have to comment on that.

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Unread post by asu66 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:45 am

sonsofyosef wrote:
Kgfish wrote:
thegreengopher wrote:According to reliable sources the players wanted Mc then.....they were asked what they thought of capel and all spoke highly of him and genuinely liked and respected him but expected/wanted McMahon to get the hire.
Cobb is nobody's dummy and was clever to spin those comments into a validation for hiring Capel. He couldn't go public with the real reason (Mark Harrell) and there was nothing he could use to support hiring a guy with 1 year experience as a third assistant. Thus the "I did it for the players" angle. In doing so he also left himself an out if the thing fell apart. Not my fault, that's what those players wanted.
He only listened to the "players that mattered".
The was more than one "real reason." ASU, like all public universities that accept federal funds, has to be concerned with equal employment opportunities.

http://policy.appstate.edu/Equal_Opportunity

4.1.1 Appalachian State University is committed to providing equal opportunity in education and employment to all applicants, students, and employees. The university does not discriminate in access to its educational programs and activities, or with respect to hiring or the terms and conditions of employment, on the basis of race, color, national origin, religion, sex, gender identity and expression, political affiliation, age, disability, veteran status, genetic information or sexual orientation. The university actively promotes diversity among students and employees.


When Adrienne Shuler's contract expired as ASU's women's head basketball coach, there was an "expectation" that another minority women's head basketball coach be hired in her place. When Charlie Cobb got approval from the chancellor and BOT to hire Darcie Vincent, the campus "diversity interests" transferred their "expectation" to men's basketball. Cobb was under extreme pressure to hire a minority coach to replace Peterson. The result, as we all know, was the hiring of JCapel. It was made easier by the fact that Capel was already a university employee; and already a basketball staff member. That pressure will ramp up again in the next few weeks. Percentages/quotas are in delicate balance at institutions like ASU; and lots of eyes are watching every high profile hire. The next few weeks and months should be pretty interesting as we look to the arrival of a new head basketball coach and a new chancellor.
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Re: Matt McMahon, come on down...

Unread post by App74 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:39 am

4.1.1 Appalachian State University is committed to providing equal opportunity in education and employment to all applicants, students, and employees. The university does not discriminate in access to its educational programs and activities, or with respect to hiring or the terms and conditions of employment, on the basis of race, color, national origin, religion, sex, gender identity and expression, political affiliation, age, disability, veteran status, genetic information or sexual orientation. The university actively promotes diversity among students and employees.


66 makes a valid point. These are politically correct times (unfortunately). Notice the above language mentions nothing about being the best qualified applicant for the job. Somehow, someway, I hope Appalachian State can rise above this and hire the best person for the job. And that includes Chancellor as well.

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Unread post by Rekdiver » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:53 am

If Matt is hired please remember he is not the same coach he was when he left. He has learned an awful lot the past few years that he couldn't have gotten had he been the coach at App . In a backhanded way CC did Matt a favor.

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Unread post by Maddog1956 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:00 am

The university does not discriminate in access to its educational programs and activities, or with respect to hiring or the terms and conditions of employment, on the basis of race, color, national origin, religion, sex, gender identity and expression, political affiliation, age, disability, veteran status, genetic information or sexual orientation.
You can't hire based on race (any race) and "not discriminate" . It would have been impossible to hire Capel because he was AA and "not discriminate". He was hired for the same reason Fancher was (friend of Buzz). Both were lazy hires by a AD that have shown himself to be not up for the job in any manner.

Anyone wondering why we have fallen off across the board shouldn't have to look to far.

If you blame Capel on a diversity, also say that Fancher was only hired because he was white.
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Unread post by MAD Doctor » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:29 am

I don't remember in my lifetime seeing an African- American football or basketball head coach at the flagship. Just saying.
IMHO, consider all qualified candidates, interview at least one minority, choose who you feel is the best individual for the job. If ALL else is equal,give the minority candidate the opportunity.

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Unread post by Cincy App » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:44 am

The diversity equation was a factor in the last men's basketball hire and it was further compounded by the lack of diversity on the football staff at that time.

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Re: Matt McMahon, come on down...

Unread post by roachgone » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:57 am

I hope whoever is hired will be hired with objective goals to achieve during the contract period and if they are not met then "see ya later". ie- some kind of number of wins expected and increase in tix sales. Heck ,tie part of compensation to ticket sales. Give the guy some % of increased ticket sales. That doesn't cost us a dime. Not sure what season tix cost but probably $125 or so. If season tix sales inc by 1000 that is $125,000 more $$. Give the guy 25% of increased sales as a bonus. The coach gets $31000 and the school gets $94000. Win/Win. I just want a MBB team that is competitive and not an embarrassment to the school. Would be nice to make the NCAAs more often than once every 20 years.

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Unread post by hapapp » Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:56 am

Rekdiver wrote:If Matt is hired please remember he is not the same coach he was when he left. He has learned an awful lot the past few years that he couldn't have gotten had he been the coach at App . In a backhanded way CC did Matt a favor.
I agree. He has likely learned a lot that he could apply here now that he may not have experienced otherwise. He has been in a very successful mid-major program at Murray.

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Unread post by huskie3 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:47 pm

MAD Doctor wrote:I don't remember in my lifetime seeing an African- American football or basketball head coach at the flagship. Just saying.
IMHO, consider all qualified candidates, interview at least one minority, choose who you feel is the best individual for the job. If ALL else is equal,give the minority candidate the opportunity.
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