What's next for The Moose, AppGrad78 and 24/7?

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Re: What's next for The Moose, AppGrad78 and 24/7?

Unread post by GoApps70 » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:36 pm

As long as he worked at NC State would imagine they would let him talk to him before the end of the season. Unless they had a huge hangup about doing that.
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GoApps70 wrote:As long as he worked at NC State would imagine they would let him talk to him before the end of the season. Unless they had a huge hangup about doing that.

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Unread post by HeffnerIV » Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:08 pm

GoApps70 wrote:As long as he worked at NC State would imagine they would let him talk to him before the end of the season. Unless they had a huge hangup about doing that.
Unless there remains issues regarding the Devonte Graham suspensions of tampering and Yow wants to hold that against us. Of course, we could always go through his agent.

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Unread post by asu66 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:40 am

GoApps70 wrote:As long as he worked at NC State would imagine they would let him talk to him before the end of the season. Unless they had a huge hangup about doing that.
Well, e-x-c-u-u-u-u-s-e me, J.Cline...

You enjoy needling people over details; and I see I'm not immune. I spent half of my career doing HR work and I know a little about professional courtesy. I didn't put it in my post 'cause I thought it would be completely obvious to anyone with half a noodle, but nooooo... I should have known it'd get nit-picked. Go ahead and have your fun. ;)

If Cobb thinks Lutz could be a solution to our basketball dysfunction, he could have NC State's blessing in 30 minutes or less. He knows how to get it and exactly who to call. It would be granted in the manner it was requested--as a professional courtesy (as State has absolutely nothing to fear from ASU's hiring protocol). They could fill Lutz's position with about anyone they wanted in a few short weeks. They have an endless checkbook account and they know we don't.
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Unread post by JCline0429 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:28 am

I wasn't talking about the ethics of talking to Lutz while he is at NC State. I was talking about the fact that Capel is still under contract.
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Unread post by asu66 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:59 am

JCline0429 wrote:I wasn't talking about the ethics of talking to Lutz while he is at NC State. I was talking about the fact that Capel is still under contract.
OK, that's fine, too. There is, however, no ethical issue involved in assessing the candidate pool for a job that will become vacant in under six weeks. You're employee knows that his/her contract is expiring. They also know their chances of getting an extension. They know, because you should have met with them privately and given them notice in writing that there will be no contract extension.

There is a practice in the "industry" of giving notice in writing that the job will be advertised, and that the contract holder can be considered for the new contract with all other applicants. That's a step recommended by some "HR" attorneys that I deplore. It's a legally clean, but cowardly, way to tell a person that they aren't going to be rehired. I favor sitting down with them and laying it out in a way they can understand. And putting it in writing. Remember the Jerry Moore debacle? Was he reminded his contract was expiring? Was it put in writing? Did he completely understand? What a mess well-meaning administrators can get themselves in.

If you sit back and wait until your *former* employee has moved away; you'll find yourself directly between a rock and a hard place. You have a reasonably attractive job that can be hard to fill because of salary restrictions. You're in competition with every one else that has such a job to fill. Usually, the early bird gets the worm. That's exactly how we missed the opportunity to hire Matt Matheny when Elon hired him. We were too slow to offer him an interview and Elon picked him off the "vine.".
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Unread post by ASUMountaineer » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:40 am

I've always been interested in Dino Gaudio. He got put in a bad situation at WF, and was fired somewhat abruptly. Obviously, WF has regressed since he was let go. He has only been a HC at Wake, but did take them to the tourney. He may be willing to leave ESPN. Thoughts?
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ASUMountaineer wrote:I've always been interested in Dino Gaudio. He got put in a bad situation at WF, and was fired somewhat abruptly. Obviously, WF has regressed since he was let go. He has only been a HC at Wake, but did take them to the tourney. He may be willing to leave ESPN. Thoughts?
I'll add this and I' not saying it is fact - however, a very close friend who had ties to WF had told me the main reason he heard that Dino was let go was a situation similar to Doherty thing is CH - he pissed everyone off, he wanted everything HIS way and he overstepped his perceived power ---
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WVAPPeer wrote:
ASUMountaineer wrote:I've always been interested in Dino Gaudio. He got put in a bad situation at WF, and was fired somewhat abruptly. Obviously, WF has regressed since he was let go. He has only been a HC at Wake, but did take them to the tourney. He may be willing to leave ESPN. Thoughts?
I'll add this and I' not saying it is fact - however, a very close friend who had ties to WF had told me the main reason he heard that Dino was let go was a situation similar to Doherty thing is CH - he pissed everyone off, he wanted everything HIS way and he overstepped his perceived power ---
Hmm...that would be interesting, and not a good idea for a first-time HC. I have absolutely zero connections to WF, other than a guy I used to work with, so I am clueless about his firing. I will say that hiring an apparent "yes man" like Bzdelik has been hugely unsuccessful for WF. Maybe Dino, if what your friend says was the cause, has learned. I have no idea if he'd even be interested in returning to coaching at App, or at all, but I'd take what he did at WF in a heartbeat.
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ASUMountaineer wrote:
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ASUMountaineer wrote:I've always been interested in Dino Gaudio. He got put in a bad situation at WF, and was fired somewhat abruptly. Obviously, WF has regressed since he was let go. He has only been a HC at Wake, but did take them to the tourney. He may be willing to leave ESPN. Thoughts?
I'll add this and I' not saying it is fact - however, a very close friend who had ties to WF had told me the main reason he heard that Dino was let go was a situation similar to Doherty thing is CH - he pissed everyone off, he wanted everything HIS way and he overstepped his perceived power ---
Hmm...that would be interesting, and not a good idea for a first-time HC. I have absolutely zero connections to WF, other than a guy I used to work with, so I am clueless about his firing. I will say that hiring an apparent "yes man" like Bzdelik has been hugely unsuccessful for WF. Maybe Dino, if what your friend says was the cause, has learned. I have no idea if he'd even be interested in returning to coaching at App, or at all, but I'd take what he did at WF in a heartbeat.
That's the widely believed rumor I've heard. Also, he wasn't a first time HC (previously was HC at Army) and I wouldn't say he inherited a bad situation, he actually took over a really talented roster with lots of goodwill since he had been Prosser"s assistant.

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EastHallApp wrote:
ASUMountaineer wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:
ASUMountaineer wrote:I've always been interested in Dino Gaudio. He got put in a bad situation at WF, and was fired somewhat abruptly. Obviously, WF has regressed since he was let go. He has only been a HC at Wake, but did take them to the tourney. He may be willing to leave ESPN. Thoughts?
I'll add this and I' not saying it is fact - however, a very close friend who had ties to WF had told me the main reason he heard that Dino was let go was a situation similar to Doherty thing is CH - he pissed everyone off, he wanted everything HIS way and he overstepped his perceived power ---
Hmm...that would be interesting, and not a good idea for a first-time HC. I have absolutely zero connections to WF, other than a guy I used to work with, so I am clueless about his firing. I will say that hiring an apparent "yes man" like Bzdelik has been hugely unsuccessful for WF. Maybe Dino, if what your friend says was the cause, has learned. I have no idea if he'd even be interested in returning to coaching at App, or at all, but I'd take what he did at WF in a heartbeat.
That's the widely believed rumor I've heard. Also, he wasn't a first time HC (previously was HC at Army) and I wouldn't say he inherited a bad situation, he actually took over a really talented roster with lots of goodwill since he had been Prosser"s assistant.
My mistake on him being a first-time HC (Army and Loyola). In regards to a bad situation, I'm talking about his good friend passing suddenly, and then picking up the pieces. To keep the recruits and to win a decent amount with them is impressive, I think. He may not be a good guy, may not be a good fit, may laugh at the thought--but, from the outside I was impressed with his stint at WF.
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Unread post by wataugan03 » Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:16 pm

soconjohn wrote:Why not go after Mercer's Bob Hoffman...Just throwing that out there.
Because he already has a winning program with good job security a salary similar (or better) to what we can pay. And because in the next two months a bunch of bigger schools will offer him a 5 year deal worth more than 500k per year.

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Unread post by spong » Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:25 pm

I haven't heard this person's name mentioned but I think he would be worth a look: Duggar Baucom Head Coach at VMI

http://www.vmikeydets.com/ViewArticle.d ... EASON=2013

He has been working with basically D2 players at a school where it is very difficult to recruit and has taken them to the Big-South title game 3 times in the last 8 years. He is someone that most schools wouldn't look at because he has never made it to the Tourny but he has exceeded expectations at VMI.

He has experience recruiting for Western Carolina and coached at Tusculum a D2 mountain school so he knows the area. He knows a little bit about Mountain culture. He understands that it is going to be cold and you are going to have to deal with snow. He can use that as a positive instead of a negative.

His system of play is a lot of fun. He would bring fast-pace basketball to the high country that people in Charlotte would drive up to see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4cKvH08W-c

He is believed to be making around $150,000 a year which is on the lower side for a D1 coach. App State should be about to offer him a nice raise.
http://datacenter.timesdispatch.com/dat ... ensation2=

App State has some of the best mid-major facilities in the country. The right coach could make this a very good program.

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ASUMountaineer wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:
ASUMountaineer wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:
ASUMountaineer wrote:I've always been interested in Dino Gaudio. He got put in a bad situation at WF, and was fired somewhat abruptly. Obviously, WF has regressed since he was let go. He has only been a HC at Wake, but did take them to the tourney. He may be willing to leave ESPN. Thoughts?
I'll add this and I' not saying it is fact - however, a very close friend who had ties to WF had told me the main reason he heard that Dino was let go was a situation similar to Doherty thing is CH - he pissed everyone off, he wanted everything HIS way and he overstepped his perceived power ---
Hmm...that would be interesting, and not a good idea for a first-time HC. I have absolutely zero connections to WF, other than a guy I used to work with, so I am clueless about his firing. I will say that hiring an apparent "yes man" like Bzdelik has been hugely unsuccessful for WF. Maybe Dino, if what your friend says was the cause, has learned. I have no idea if he'd even be interested in returning to coaching at App, or at all, but I'd take what he did at WF in a heartbeat.
That's the widely believed rumor I've heard. Also, he wasn't a first time HC (previously was HC at Army) and I wouldn't say he inherited a bad situation, he actually took over a really talented roster with lots of goodwill since he had been Prosser"s assistant.
My mistake on him being a first-time HC (Army and Loyola). In regards to a bad situation, I'm talking about his good friend passing suddenly, and then picking up the pieces. To keep the recruits and to win a decent amount with them is impressive, I think. He may not be a good guy, may not be a good fit, may laugh at the thought--but, from the outside I was impressed with his stint at WF.
I'm not saying he didn't do anything good there, but to be clear, the main reason he was hired was because he COULD hold onto their recruits. They had a blue chip class committed and they went with the guy the recruits already knew rather than taking the long view.

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