Seems like there's some confusion around this point. Maybe it bears repeating.Saint3333 wrote:When have we been on the receiving end in football? I assume you mean verbal commits that flip to us later, that isn't the same.
I see similarities: Donte Minter....Devonte Graham....Donte Minter.....Devonte Graham....Saint3333 wrote:I still believe it personal responsibility.
Thus, with no other significant offers, Graham signed a national letter of intent with Appalachian State prior to his senior season.
"Within months," Dewanna said, "things changed."
During his final year of high school ball, Graham's game elevated to a new level. He averaged 15.7 points and 5.4 assists in leading Broughton to the state title game, and he also grew a few inches and now stood 6'2". As word began to trickle in that Graham had drawn praise from Division I coaches in Power Five conferences, Graham realized he'd made a mistake by signing with Appalachian State.
But when he asked the school to release him from his national letter of intent, Mountaineers head coach Jason Capel refused. And when Dewanna filed a formal appeal with the school, things got messy.
"[Capel] sent me a five-page letter that sent me over the top," she said. "I felt like he was questioning my character, like he was attacking my son.
"I went into mommy mode, protection mode. From that point on I was like, 'It's personal now. You may just have to go to [junior college] and transfer [to a Division I school] after two years, because there's no way you're going to Appalachian State.'"
You know better than to think this is not a business. Now I grant you it is not as big a business as at some schools but it is still a sizable business. They are being supplied a free education and the finest facilities. There is a yearly budget of millions and now they are asking for and receiving pay above and beyond scholarship. They want their cake and eat it to. It may have been just a game that kids were playing at one time but that has all changed. They want to be courted and shown how much money we spend on the program. No it is no longer a game it is in fact a business. A contract is a contract and there should be consequences for not living up to one. Now I will say shame on the coach but I will also say shame on Mamma for she is the one who should really be looking out for his development as a man. This was a lesson not learned. Now with all that bloviating ( spelling?) I am glad for the program he is gone as he would probably have been a problem due to the fact he didn't want to be here.Rekdiver wrote:F the "contract" issue. It's for playing a game by 17 year old kid not a business transaction. If I didn't want my kid to play for a buffoon like Caple I'd have done the same thing. A coach like Fox would have driven to Raleigh and talked to momma and son, convinced him to play a year and then consider a transfer like Curry did from Liberty. Who writes a 5 page letter? He could have been a game changer for us. Hate it didn't happen.
I assume the kid signed the LOI with APP, not the coach, and therefore Capel was wise to side with his employer. The only credit I would give Capel regarding this is, ...well actually I can't think of any to give him. Signing a talented young man that breached a contract is not a particularly noteworthy accomplishment.wdhsbcsasu wrote:Capel held him to his word and wouldn't release him. Probably the only thing he did well.
Moral failure? No schools negotiate these thing unless a coaching change is involved. His new "employer" was a JUCO, not Kansas. Post about things you have knowledge about.wataugan03 wrote:Contracts are breached all the time. It's not some grave moral failure. You pay the damages or buy-out, if there are any, and you move on. College coaches breach their contracts all the time.
Here's where the moral failure comes in .... Graham wasn't allowed to negotiate a buyout, and he wasn't allowed to pay the damages and move on. And his new employer, KU, wasn't allowed to pay those damages either. He was held hostage by a monopolistic labor policy that is only allowed to exist because the NCAA claims that it isn't a business.
It was a prep school not a juco. And his post was quite knowledgeable actually.CVAPP wrote:Moral failure? No schools negotiate these thing unless a coaching change is involved. His new "employer" was a JUCO, not Kansas. Post about things you have knowledge about.wataugan03 wrote:Contracts are breached all the time. It's not some grave moral failure. You pay the damages or buy-out, if there are any, and you move on. College coaches breach their contracts all the time.
Here's where the moral failure comes in .... Graham wasn't allowed to negotiate a buyout, and he wasn't allowed to pay the damages and move on. And his new employer, KU, wasn't allowed to pay those damages either. He was held hostage by a monopolistic labor policy that is only allowed to exist because the NCAA claims that it isn't a business.
Then you should have no problem clarifying what if any "moral failure" occurred. I am all ears.Yosef10 wrote:It was a prep school not a juco. And his post was quite knowledgeable actually.
I don't think it makes a difference whether he spent time at a prep school or a juco before going to Kansas. Nor would it have made a difference if he had ended up at NCSU instead of Kansas. The problem is that the universities have banded together under the guise of the NCAA and created rules to make it harder for players to change their mind and attend another school - something that every other student is allowed to do. Everyone hear says "well he signed a contract." Of course thanks to monopolistic behavior he couldn't negotiate the terms of that contract - he couldn't write in a buyout clause, he couldn't negotiate pay, or health benefits, etc. And really how many people on this board have contracts with non-competes and/or buyout clauses. They normally only exist for highly compensated employees.CVAPP wrote:Moral failure? No schools negotiate these thing unless a coaching change is involved. His new "employer" was a JUCO, not Kansas. Post about things you have knowledge about.wataugan03 wrote:Contracts are breached all the time. It's not some grave moral failure. You pay the damages or buy-out, if there are any, and you move on. College coaches breach their contracts all the time.
Here's where the moral failure comes in .... Graham wasn't allowed to negotiate a buyout, and he wasn't allowed to pay the damages and move on. And his new employer, KU, wasn't allowed to pay those damages either. He was held hostage by a monopolistic labor policy that is only allowed to exist because the NCAA claims that it isn't a business.
