The Case to keep Capel one more year

[Gonzo]

We finished 4th out of 12... from listening to this crowd all year, you'd think we finished 12th.

That sounds pretty good until you realize how bad the conference actually is. Pretty sad when a team that is 10-18 vs DI opposition gets a tournament bye. Whew boy just lookie at the conference competition we blasted. None of the 8 teams below us had a winning record and were a combined 54-90 in the conference, 71-157 overall. Some of you guys can continue to try and make chicken salad out of chicken $%#@ while the rest of us will focus on reality.

Regardless of "reality", there are a few of us who will be pulling for ASU to do their best while some of you folks continue to hope for the worst out of the current staff and players. No one that I read on this board is under any illusion that ASU is likely going to advance past the first game, if that. But, some folks try to highlight the positives when they occur. Others find it impossible to say anything positive and instead find every reason to put this team down and apparently relish in their failings.

Never thought I'd be on board with a post that starts with the phrase "regardless of reality."

That's my stance though. I don't think Capel was ready to be a HC and I think we need a new one, but I won't stop pulling for my favorite basketball team or start hoping for failure just so I can be snarky on the internet. I do plenty of that as-is.

Take us to the Big Dance Capel!

[eggers76]

and another guy will be coming in with Okam no longer with the team.

Wait, what?

My question as well. I saw him sitting behind the bench on Saturday. I just assumed he was injured.

The game program for Saturday and a GoASU story last week said that Okam would be graduating in the Spring and was thus playing his last home game against the Mocs. However they did not recognize him at the game and the GoASU story appears to have been edited. Who knows for sure? I just assumed this was the reason we were taking the commitment from the big man from Raleigh Ravenscroft.

So did Marcus Bryan recommit?

According to our recruiting experts, AppGrad78 and Firemoose he did. He is listed under Sports, Basketball, Recruiting, 2013, as committed but not yet signed.

[MAD Doctor]

I will always support the Black and Gold, but as long as Capel is coach, you can expect to continue to get owned by High Point, Campbell, and Citadel. If finishing in the top half of this year's SoCon is your aspiration, enjoy, and get plenty of lipstick for that pig.

GO APPS
See you all in Asheville

[firemoose]

The game program for Saturday and a GoASU story last week said that Okam would be graduating in the Spring and was thus playing his last home game against the Mocs. However they did not recognize him at the game and the GoASU story appears to have been edited. Who knows for sure? I just assumed this was the reason we were taking the commitment from the big man from Raleigh Ravenscroft.

So did Marcus Bryan recommit?

According to our recruiting experts, AppGrad78 and Firemoose he did. He is listed under Sports, Basketball, Recruiting, 2013, as committed but not yet signed.

It's been reported that he is recommitted but did so after the first signing period and will sign at the second period in April.

[hapapp]

I will always support the Black and Gold, but as long as Capel is coach, you can expect to continue to get owned by High Point, Campbell, and Citadel. If finishing in the top half of this year's SoCon is your aspiration, enjoy, and get plenty of lipstick for that pig.

GO APPS
See you all in Asheville

I really don't see anyone who is satisfied with the state of the program as it is right now. But, I would rather us finish in the top half than the bottom half. I see no reason not to celebrate a good performance like the one on Saturday. It doesn't mean anything beyond that. But, my point was that some folks can't even find it themselves to reward that effort with any positive statements. I'll be in Asheville, too. I have no illusions that we are assured of anything other than playing on Saturday at 2:30. I'm not declaring the season a success because we got the bye or beat Chattanooga. I'm not on any bandwagon pushing Capel for coach of the year. I just find it hard to believe that certain App fans can't bring themselves to find anything positive to add to the conversation.

[Seattleapp]

Some people on this board are hitting the nail on the head. Others are using that tired stance of "oh so you want us to lose?" Actually no. Quite the opposite. But honestly I would rather us lose one game now, get a new coach who will build something, than to win a meaningless game this year in the tourney and we are stuck with more of this. Any game we win in the tournament will be fools gold. Allow me to point to the fact that exactly 3 teams finished with a winning record in the SoCon this year. And we were not one of them. We finished under .500 in what has to be the weakest So Con in years. Another point is finishing 4th doesn't exactly mean we were any good. But besides wins and losses, can anyone honestly say we have improved as a team? Yes we beat Chattanooga to death but we got humiliated by Davidson in February when we were really playing for something. Im not talking about an 18 point loss. I'm talkin 35 point blowout. Are they that much better talentwise than we are? Even if you can't score, you can play defense. See Campbell this year who hung 100 plus on us. Then came the Citadel game where we couldn't adjust to their screen oriented offense. I know they don't have better athletes than us.

So there you have it. A better team and a worse team. And we lose to both in February. So what about this team makes you think that Capel is in anyway a teacher of basketball at this level?

[Seattleapp]

I will always support the Black and Gold, but as long as Capel is coach, you can expect to continue to get owned by High Point, Campbell, and Citadel. If finishing in the top half of this year's SoCon is your aspiration, enjoy, and get plenty of lipstick for that pig.

GO APPS
See you all in Asheville

I really don't see anyone who is satisfied with the state of the program as it is right now. But, I would rather us finish in the top half than the bottom half. I see no reason not to celebrate a good performance like the one on Saturday. It doesn't mean anything beyond that. But, my point was that some folks can't even find it themselves to reward that effort with any positive statements. I'll be in Asheville, too. I have no illusions that we are assured of anything other than playing on Saturday at 2:30. I'm not declaring the season a success because we got the bye or beat Chattanooga. I'm not on any bandwagon pushing Capel for coach of the year. I just find it hard to believe that certain App fans can't bring themselves to find anything positive to add to the conversation.

I am one who can't find much to cheer about. I think this hire was absurd and I don't know what we are doing on the court from game to game. Sorry.

[hapapp]

Some people on this board are hitting the nail on the head. Others are using that tired stance of "oh so you want us to lose?" Actually no. Quite the opposite. But honestly I would rather us lose one game now

So, in fact, you do want us to lose.

[Watauga72]

Having lived through the Press Maravich year, I am willing to give Capel another year to become a good coach. IIRC, ASU won 3 games when Maravich was coach. He did, however, have the team with the hardest to spell names....Nananovich, Vucosovich, Milosovich...see the trend here? A bunch of sons of vichs! We were short, but we were slow.

[hapapp]

Having lived through the Press Maravich year, I am willing to give Capel another year to become a good coach. IIRC, ASU won 3 games when Maravich was coach. He did, however, have the team with the hardest to spell names....Nananovich, Vucosovich, Milosovich...see the trend here? A bunch of sons of vichs! We were short, but we were slow.

My senior year was Maravich's first year. In his three years ASU won a total of 14 games. He often complained that his players lacked good basketball "genes." Of course, beyond the basketball, they were sad times for the Maravich family in Boone.

[MAD Doctor]

Let's see. Something positive to add to the conversation. Well, we didn't go winless against teams with winning records- We beat Elon once, so we have ONE win against a D1 team with a winning record. Also, thanks to our huge signature win against Presbyterian, we didn't get swept by the Big South. We stayed within 50 of Davidson, gained a split with Western, and darn near beat Citadel at home.
I know there are 150k reasons Capel will be back next season, so I have no choice to support him as coach of the team, but if you can find many positives about this season, your expectations are really, really low.

[Watauga72]

Having lived through the Press Maravich year, I am willing to give Capel another year to become a good coach. IIRC, ASU won 3 games when Maravich was coach. He did, however, have the team with the hardest to spell names....Nananovich, Vucosovich, Milosovich...see the trend here? A bunch of sons of vichs! We were short, but we were slow.

My senior year was Maravich's first year. In his three years ASU won a total of 14 games. He often complained that his players lacked good basketball "genes." Of course, beyond the basketball, they were sad times for the Maravich family in Boone.

Do not mean to make light of those years for the Maravich family. IIRC, his wife had cancer and comitted suicide. Tragic and sad, and to have Pete die so young.

Believe that Press never had his heart in making ASU a basketball school. He saw the limitations, not the opportunities, and never really tried.

Interestingly, ran into Russ Bergman in a supermarket in Edmond, OK several years back. He took over after Press retired. He was a nice guy, married an ASU girl, and was coaching the Oklahoma City Cavalry back in the 90's.

[hapapp]

Interestingly, ran into Russ Bergman in a supermarket in Edmond, OK several years back. He took over after Press retired. He was a nice guy, married an ASU girl, and was coaching the Oklahoma City Cavalry back in the 90's.

He really breathed a little life into the team when he took over.

[Kgfish]

We finished 4th out of 12... from listening to this crowd all year, you'd think we finished 12th.

That sounds pretty good until you realize how bad the conference actually is. Pretty sad when a team that is 10-18 vs DI opposition gets a tournament bye. Whew boy just lookie at the conference competition we blasted. None of the 8 teams below us had a winning record and were a combined 54-90 in the conference, 71-157 overall. Some of you guys can continue to try and make chicken salad out of chicken $%#@ while the rest of us will focus on reality.

Regardless of "reality", there are a few of us who will be pulling for ASU to do their best while some of you folks continue to hope for the worst out of the current staff and players. No one that I read on this board is under any illusion that ASU is likely going to advance past the first game, if that. But, some folks try to highlight the positives when they occur. Others find it impossible to say anything positive and instead find every reason to put this team down and apparently relish in their failings.

That is one the most ridiculous things I've seen. Sorry I spoiled the feel good moment of the year with the truth. Tell me how facing the facts and calling it like it is get translated into not pulling for the team to do well and wishing the worst for the program? Because some of us don't relate beating a horrible team into a great accomplishment you take it upon yourself to label us as bad fans? You've got a lot of gall dude.

[hapapp]

Let's see. Something positive to add to the conversation. Well, we didn't go winless against teams with winning records- We beat Elon once, so we have ONE win against a D1 team with a winning record. Also, thanks to our huge signature win against Presbyterian, we didn't get swept by the Big South. We stayed within 50 of Davidson, gained a split with Western, and darn near beat Citadel at home.
I know there are 150k reasons Capel will be back next season, so I have no choice to support him as coach of the team, but if you can find many positives about this season, your expectations are really, really low.

There haven't been many positives in this season. Saturday happened to be one of those. That's all I've been saying. We should at least be able to acknowledge that.

[Kgfish]

Let's see. Something positive to add to the conversation. Well, we didn't go winless against teams with winning records- We beat Elon once, so we have ONE win against a D1 team with a winning record. Also, thanks to our huge signature win against Presbyterian, we didn't get swept by the Big South. We stayed within 50 of Davidson, gained a split with Western, and darn near beat Citadel at home.
I know there are 150k reasons Capel will be back next season, so I have no choice to support him as coach of the team, but if you can find many positives about this season, your expectations are really, really low.

You sir are a bad fan!

[ASUPATCH]

If this was Football, half of this board would have been carrying pitch forks and torches to the athletics center the night we lost to Citadel at home trying to fire Capel. Which is about the equivalent to if we lose to Charleston Southern this year in football.

Pssst. we lost to Citadel at home at football last year. And in a very ugly way. Don't remember seeing any pitchforks around Boone.

[AppinVA]

If this was Football, half of this board would have been carrying pitch forks and torches to the athletics center the night we lost to Citadel at home trying to fire Capel. Which is about the equivalent to if we lose to Charleston Southern this year in football.

Pssst. we lost to Citadel at home at football last year. And in a very ugly way. Don't remember seeing any pitchforks around Boone.

No, but it sent a clear signal that "it's time".

[hapapp]

We finished 4th out of 12... from listening to this crowd all year, you'd think we finished 12th.

That sounds pretty good until you realize how bad the conference actually is. Pretty sad when a team that is 10-18 vs DI opposition gets a tournament bye. Whew boy just lookie at the conference competition we blasted. None of the 8 teams below us had a winning record and were a combined 54-90 in the conference, 71-157 overall. Some of you guys can continue to try and make chicken salad out of chicken $%#@ while the rest of us will focus on reality.

Regardless of "reality", there are a few of us who will be pulling for ASU to do their best while some of you folks continue to hope for the worst out of the current staff and players. No one that I read on this board is under any illusion that ASU is likely going to advance past the first game, if that. But, some folks try to highlight the positives when they occur. Others find it impossible to say anything positive and instead find every reason to put this team down and apparently relish in their failings.

That is one the most ridiculous things I've seen. Sorry I spoiled the feel good moment of the year with the truth. Tell me how facing the facts and calling it like it is get translated into not pulling for the team to do well and wishing the worst for the program? Because some of us don't relate beating a horrible team into a great accomplishment you take it upon yourself to label us as bad fans? You've got a lot of gall dude.

One of the most ridiculous things I've seen is someone posting on the heels of the best performance of the season to denigrate the performance by qualifying the win by pointing out how bad the opponent was and how poor they were from the foul line. Not one word about how well we shot the ball, how well we played defense, or the level of intensity the team brought to the game. That takes gall. Obviously, I hit a sore spot.

I don't deny the "facts." There are problems in the program, you have identified them. I was at the Davidson game, I was disgusted, disappointed, embarrassed, and demoralized. It just seemed that Saturday went against the meme that has attached to this team. You seemed unwillingly to acknowledge it for that day. Or to comment that if we had seen that play all year, we might be looking at totally different end to the season.

Saturday didn't cure any ills. It didn't automatically change the character of this team. It doesn't guarantee deep tournament run. But, it did show what this team is capable of accomplishing.

[ASUGoose]

For how cheap we have Capel I say keep him around for another year. With a pending move to the Sun Belt we have to be more concerned with our finances for the move up to FBS. If he can continue to bring in solid recruits, that is about all you can ask for at this time. I could see Charlie making a move in a few years but now is not the time.

Lets face it, we are a football school and the more we win in that sport the more our national brand will grow. Then we could have a better chance to can bring in an up and coming proven assistant coach to take us to the next level.