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Unread post by cbarrier90 » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:24 pm

Seattleapp wrote:Rooting for losses and being a realist about what we are are two different things entirely. We are not a good team. Capel is not a good coach. This idea that we are going to morph into something resembling a good consistent program under Capel is not going to happen. You heard it here first.
I respect your opinion, but that doesn't mean you should trash the program every time something good happens. If they win, enjoy it. If they don't, on to the next one.

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Unread post by Seattleapp » Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:47 pm

Carrier. I am on this crusade because I see what we can be as a program. We have an amazing arena and an amazing university. It pains me to see us settle for this. Should I break out my Tony Bennett reference again? I would sacrifice talent for fundamentals

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Unread post by cbarrier90 » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:22 pm

Seattleapp wrote:Carrier. I am on this crusade because I see what we can be as a program. We have an amazing arena and an amazing university. It pains me to see us settle for this. Should I break out my Tony Bennett reference again? I would sacrifice talent for fundamentals
I understand where you're coming from and I see it too, but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy the successes we are currently having. We get a big win and a nice way to send out some well-deserving seniors on their final home game and all you talk about is how we should fire Capel.

Appalachian basketball is what it is at this point and there's no magic trick that will instantly turn us into the next VCU or Gonzaga. If those are your expectations night in and night out, as I have told you continuously over the course of the season, head to Spokane to watch the best mid-major team and soon-to-be #1 team in the country Gonzaga.

Let bygones be bygones. We can't change the fact that this team is so inconsistent and lost games they shouldn't have. It was a very good win tonight and at the end of the day, we get to rest for an extra day, giving us an advantage to win the SoCon championship.

Do I expect this team to win the SoCon championship? Absolutely not. Too inconsistent, too young, and too undisciplined to eventually match up with a team like Davidson. But I'll be darned if they weren't impressive tonight and looked like they could give Davidson a run for their money.

I will readily criticize this coaching staff when it falls short (see Citadel, @ UTC, etc.) but I'll also give them their fair share of credit. Did I want Capel as the head coach? No. But you know what? At this point, he's our coach and his success = our success.

At the end of the day, SA, you and I both want the same things for Appalachian's basketball program. I just don't think a consistent crusade for a revolving door of head coaches is the answer.

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Unread post by Seattleapp » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:59 pm

Carrier you are a stand up guy. But Capel is in waaaaay over his head and we are the losers for it.

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Unread post by cbarrier90 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:27 am

Seattleapp wrote:Carrier you are a stand up guy. But Capel is in waaaaay over his head and we are the losers for it.
We are not losers on this particular night.

That's what has been so infuriating about this team. With such a young squad, I can envision that bright future you speak of next season just as easily as I can see another year of inconsistencies. Some days we look like we can wallop Davidson and other nights we can't hang with the Citadel. There are moments where Capel looks like a fantastic basketball coach and others where he doesn't.

He has shown that he deserves another year just as much as he's shown that he deserves to be fired. I do not envy the decision that Cobb and Co. will ultimately have to make come season's end.

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Unread post by Saint3333 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:01 am

What decision?

Capel is here one more year, I'm skeptical that he can finish in the 150 in the RPi, but I'm pulling for him.

In your opinion what would Capel have to do next year to get an extension?

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Unread post by appst89 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:21 am

Saint3333 wrote:In your opinion what would Capel have to do next year to get an extension?
My $0.02: The only way Capel gets an extension is 20+ wins, North Division title and SoCon championship game appearance.

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Unread post by hapapp » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:06 am

Interesting that we are discussing the fate of the men's basketball program after their best performance of the year, in arguably their most important game of the year to date. I think the coaching staff and the players deserve our praises for a job well done yesterday. It was the best App performance on the court in quite some time. Of course, it is certainly no guarantee that they won't lose their quarterfinal game v. the Samford-Furman winner. But let's at least give these guys their due for yesterday's effort.

And while we are burying Capel and company not a word is uttered about the beat down Darcie's team took yesterday. After the loss the ASU women are now 1-6 against the top half of the SoCon. Their last two losses to top half teams have been by double digits and this is a team that graduates 4 starters. Could be some lean years on the women's side too.

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Unread post by asumike83 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:50 am

It was a great game yesterday and a nice way to send out the seniors. With all the struggles we've had this season, I think we should savor the performances like yesterday. We are a long shot for sure, but getting the bye is nice nonetheless.

As for next year, I'm not sure we need a North Division title for the season to be a success. Unless I read their roster wrong, Elon returns all five starters and will have a lineup of 3 seniors and 2 juniors in 2014. It'd be very difficult to surpass them regardless of who is coaching.

I would like to see a winning record overall with 11-12 SoCon victories, a bye in the tournament and improvement from our young players. As for this off season, I don't think there is any decision. Capel will be back. He will not get bought out and I doubt it's even been seriously considered.

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Unread post by Goapps15 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:06 pm

asumike83 wrote:It was a great game yesterday and a nice way to send out the seniors. With all the struggles we've had this season, I think we should savor the performances like yesterday. We are a long shot for sure, but getting the bye is nice nonetheless.

As for next year, I'm not sure we need a North Division title for the season to be a success. Unless I read their roster wrong, Elon returns all five starters and will have a lineup of 3 seniors and 2 juniors in 2014. It'd be very difficult to surpass them regardless of who is coaching.

I would like to see a winning record overall with 11-12 SoCon victories, a bye in the tournament and improvement from our young players. As for this off season, I don't think there is any decision. Capel will be back. He will not get bought out and I doubt it's even been seriously considered.
The difference between us and Elon this year was consistency. We should have beaten them twice this season. App loses Healy and Trice but keeps 6 of the 8 in their rotation. Healy will really hurt but Trice can be replaced by Tab and Jay Canty. I also remember we had a solid transfer Clarke possibly is his name who can give us minutes down low next year.

I would like to see Capel at times next year go with a 4-guard look. Hopefully one of the freshman can split with burgess to give us solid PG play. Move Neal to his natural 2-guard position. Play Tab at the three and Canty at the four. I'd like to use that lineup some to press and use our athleticism to cause issues for the less athletic teams in the league.

Just my .02. But I am very impressed with how Capel has come around this season.

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Unread post by AppinVA » Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:44 pm

You all have no idea how much I want to eat some crow (I guess being fowl, it should be cooked well done) next weekend. A solid win in the quarterfinals and a well-played game against Davidson could change my tune for another year. Still, if we don't show up in either game, we will know how seriously we take the men's basketball program at App State by what happens on the morning after. I really hate to tell people how to spend their money, but since it was used to peddle influence, instead of for charity, I don't feel bad saying that the one who could afford to get us into this mess, can certainly pay to get us out.

We will definitely find out where his loyalties lie. With the Black and Gold, or with the columbia blue?
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Unread post by proasu89 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:15 pm

AppinVA wrote:You all have no idea how much I want to eat some crow (I guess being fowl, it should be cooked well done) next weekend. A solid win in the quarterfinals and a well-played game against Davidson could change my tune for another year. Still, if we don't show up in either game, we will know how seriously we take the men's basketball program at App State by what happens on the morning after. I really hate to tell people how to spend their money, but since it was used to peddle influence, instead of for charity, I don't feel bad saying that the one who could afford to get us into this mess, can certainly pay to get us out.

We will definitely find out where his loyalties lie. With the Black and Gold, or with the columbia blue?
People can certainly believe what they want but the person you are referencing has no loyalty to anything "light blue". Yes, he did seem fascinated with Jason Capel, but as far as I know he has no ties to Chapel Hill.

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Unread post by AppinVA » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:12 pm

proasu89 wrote:
AppinVA wrote:You all have no idea how much I want to eat some crow (I guess being fowl, it should be cooked well done) next weekend. A solid win in the quarterfinals and a well-played game against Davidson could change my tune for another year. Still, if we don't show up in either game, we will know how seriously we take the men's basketball program at App State by what happens on the morning after. I really hate to tell people how to spend their money, but since it was used to peddle influence, instead of for charity, I don't feel bad saying that the one who could afford to get us into this mess, can certainly pay to get us out.

We will definitely find out where his loyalties lie. With the Black and Gold, or with the columbia blue?
People can certainly believe what they want but the person you are referencing has no loyalty to anything "light blue". Yes, he did seem fascinated with Jason Capel, but as far as I know he has no ties to Chapel Hill.
Well, going from Scuzz to Incapelble does signal a smurfy pattern. Especially when there was someone from the Family that was clearly a better choice after BP left for Wilmington. Like I said, I feel bad poo pooing anyone who gives time, money or a Saturday afternoon to App State, but it was also done so at the expense of a fellow alum, so you do have to see where I, and others like me, are coming from when we do so.

All that said, if we put forth a solid run next weekend, I won't bristle at another year, and the more successful he is, the more successful my University is. I certainly am not against his/our success. I just wouldn't bet my daughter's Little People Farm on it.
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Unread post by proasu89 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:00 pm

AppinVA wrote:
proasu89 wrote:
AppinVA wrote:You all have no idea how much I want to eat some crow (I guess being fowl, it should be cooked well done) next weekend. A solid win in the quarterfinals and a well-played game against Davidson could change my tune for another year. Still, if we don't show up in either game, we will know how seriously we take the men's basketball program at App State by what happens on the morning after. I really hate to tell people how to spend their money, but since it was used to peddle influence, instead of for charity, I don't feel bad saying that the one who could afford to get us into this mess, can certainly pay to get us out.

We will definitely find out where his loyalties lie. With the Black and Gold, or with the columbia blue?
People can certainly believe what they want but the person you are referencing has no loyalty to anything "light blue". Yes, he did seem fascinated with Jason Capel, but as far as I know he has no ties to Chapel Hill.
Well, going from Scuzz to Incapelble does signal a smurfy pattern. Especially when there was someone from the Family that was clearly a better choice after BP left for Wilmington. Like I said, I feel bad poo pooing anyone who gives time, money or a Saturday afternoon to App State, but it was also done so at the expense of a fellow alum, so you do have to see where I, and others like me, are coming from when we do so.

All that said, if we put forth a solid run next weekend, I won't bristle at another year, and the more successful he is, the more successful my University is. I certainly am not against his/our success. I just wouldn't bet my daughter's Little People Farm on it.
I get what you're saying and I too was a proponent of Matt getting the opportunity. I am just trying to set the record straight that the donor in question has no ties to Chapel Hill.

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