Baseball Raps Up Sole Possession Of Last Place

[AppDawg]

Record when leading after:
Inning 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
W-L 5-6 8-8 10-6 11-7 9-5 10-2 8-2 9-1

After reading so many negative comments I was very surprised to see these numbers ---

Stats are pesky little things that get in the way.... The historical stat cited has been tied or leading the 6th inning or later. BJ has been abysmal over his 4 years in this stat. Last I recall looking closely we had lost approx 30+ of these games in the last 2 1/2 seasons. Conveniently, you only showed part of this stat. Below is our record when tied in the 6th or later for the current season. A 4-7 mark.

Another instance where stats are like the gnats in statesboro, is the fact that the stat you show indicated a record of 9-1 when leading after the 8th inning. This # captures those games where we exploded in the early innings and held on for the duration - for example 5 of those 9 we likely had the lead after the 1st inning.

Record when tied after:
Innning 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
W-L 7-18 3-13 2-5 1-5 5-3 0-3 1-2 3-2

[WVAPPeer]

I'm saying that a coach playing with a young team and very limited talent compared to the average SunBelt team who goes 27-5 when his team is leading from the 6th inning on is making very good in-game decisions with the lead. If a coach has less talent and is behind he could very well make in-game decisions that some of you think are poor. My guess is he was trying things to shake up the game noting that if things continued as they were going he was going to lose. 27-5 from the 6th on is a number just about every coach would be happy with.
Now to Moose's point about players leaving that could be a concern dependent upon the reasons. We can see in other sports that today's kids want immediate playing time. And yes, the goal is to win the game but these numbers don't point to poor in-game decisions.

[Saint3333]

It was a joke, but I guess he didn't get it.

However the stats aren't good. We play 50ish games and we had the lead in only 18 of those after the fourth and then proceeded to lose 40% of those games once in game adjustments were made.

Bottom line App baseball isn't up to par with the Pollard years and it isn't close, and if you''ve followed the program you don't need any stats to know that.

[Saint3333]

I'm saying that a coach playing with a young team and very limited talent compared to the average SunBelt team who goes 27-5 when his team is leading from the 6th inning on is making very good in-game decisions with the lead. If a coach has less talent and is behind he could very well make in-game decisions that some of you think are poor. My guess is he was trying things to shake up the game noting that if things continued as they were going he was going to lose. 27-5 from the 6th on is a number just about every coach would be happy with.
Now to Moose's point about players leaving that could be a concern dependent upon the reasons. We can see in other sports that today's kids want immediate playing time. And yes, the goal is to win the game but these numbers don't point to poor in-game decisions.

that isn't how the numbers work. You are adding the same game multiple times.

We've only won 14 total games.

[WVAPPeer]

It would be the same for the losses. The decisions that were made were contemplated or made each of those innings so the lead was maintained 27 of 32 times.

[Saint3333]

You thought we won 27 games, it's ok to admit it.

Bottom line remains.

[firemoose]

Just curious. Is it even possible to have a discussion on here any more without it turning negative, getting personal, or someone replying with a smart as**d response. Sure doesn't seem like it.

[AppDawg]

Deleted. Duplicate post.

[AppDawg]

Maintaining lead 27 of 32? That doesn't make sense to me, given how the games have played out. 15 of the 27 "innings" we held occurred in just 5 games - all blowouts. LaLa, Unc-A, StoneyBrook, central, stAte. The closest of these games was decided by a score of 4-0. The others were decided by 5, 7, 8 and 11 runs. Certainly not "close and late" games.

The other thing to point out is of those remaining 12 "innings", when leading after, many of those we had leads in the late innings that the bullpen (management of) gave up the lead. Then our Offense came to life to bail BJ and the team out.

There was a stretch a month or so ago where we had mini-streak of multiple walk-offs in such situations. Now, don't get me wrong, I'll take a W anyday, especially when they are few and far between, but I also take those W's in context.

We'll have to agree to disagree, But I think the leading after stat, is the a case of the texas leaguer being a line drive off the wall in the paper the next morning. The devil is in the details.

[Saint3333]

Just curious. Is it even possible to have a discussion on here any more without it turning negative, getting personal, or someone replying with a smart as**d response. Sure doesn't seem like it.

I'd add is it possible that someone should have to follow the program before debating the subject matter.

[Blackandgold]

Bottom line is Billy jones is a terrible head coach. Took a program that was winning every year, and 3 wins from Omaha... to a damn dumpster fire... What an embarrassing job he's done. Absolutely no player development occurs.

His excuse every year is youth. Well, when you run off the Sophs and juniors every year, of course your team is going to be young. He's had a "young" team for 4 years now. That's his own fault.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Thanks for ruining Pollard's hard work in 4 years.

[firemoose]

Just curious. Is it even possible to have a discussion on here any more without it turning negative, getting personal, or someone replying with a smart as**d response. Sure doesn't seem like it.

I'd add is it possible that someone should have to follow the program before debating the subject matter.

I was referring to the negative tone the entire board has taken in general. I just happened to put it in this thread because I stupidly put a post up outside of the recruiting threads and got sucked into the vortex that the MMB has become, where general statements aren't allowed, opinions are dictated by others, and where, if you don't like a person, it's now the norm to wait for them to make any post about anything and then to poke the hornets nest just enough to tick them off, under the guise of a "joke" or a backhanded comment.

As to your specific question, as long as the post doesn't refer to an App program or coach but is a general post about a sport then why is it not allowed? If I make a comment, based on my years of both playing and coaching defense, about what I would or did do in a situation that was not directly related to anything App football did, does it disqualify the comment? Are general opinions or personal experiences not allowable posts on here any more unless they agree with the masses? And can you define "follow"? Does it mean that you have to watch or attend every game/match? 80%? 50%? Is reading the pregame/match article, and the wrap up article "following" the program? What defines "following" a program and who makes the decision as to whether someone qualifies and is allowed to comment?

Guess it's time for Yosef and 89 to make it clear that, unless you attend or watch a sport you are no longer allowed to comment on them outside of the Non-Appalachian General Discussion thread. That's as good a place as any to meet the qualifications to debate.

[WVAPPeer]

Bottom line is Billy jones is a terrible head coach. Took a program that was winning every year, and 3 wins from Omaha... to a damn dumpster fire... What an embarrassing job he's done. Absolutely no player development occurs.

His excuse every year is youth. Well, when you run off the Sophs and juniors every year, of course your team is going to be young. He's had a "young" team for 4 years now. That's his own fault.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Thanks for ruining Pollard's hard work in 4 years.

Gee - who knew - It was just around 2 years ago that many of you same "fans" were calling for the firing of Scott Satterfield and some of the posts were quite embarrassing and downright asinine such as posting a For Sale on a House, etc.

[firemoose]

I personally don't care about what the record was after what inning. I'm a bottom line person and I look at overall records and conference records. And by those standards it's time for a change. But unless he resigns, a rich uncle bites the dust, or our fairy godmother drops a couple hundred K into our bank account it's not going to happen this year because we don't have the money in the budget to buy him out and pay a new coach at the same time. Unless something unexpected happens it's my opinion (if I'm allowed to have one) that he is going to be our coach next year.

[WVAPPeer]

I personally don't care about what the record was after what inning. I'm a bottom line person and I look at overall records and conference records. And by those standards it's time for a change. But unless he resigns, a rich uncle bites the dust, or our fairy godmother drops a couple hundred K into out bank account it's not going to happen this year because we don't have the money in the budget to buy him out and pay a new coach at the same time. Unless something unexpected happens it's my opinion (if I'm allowed to have one) that he is going to be our coach next year.

No problem with your opinion Moose and I'm glad you expressed it - I don't think anyone will find where I have called for retaining Coach Jones nor have I mentioned him being fired - My entire point was that about In-Game decisions (thus my thesis under that Subject heading)
This is in my mind no where close to how I felt when so many were calling for the firing of Satterfield and Woody - I, as you were, was emphatic about retaining those guys and giving them time!!! - I cannot say I feel the same way about Jones, however you won't see me supporting his firing ---

[AppGrad78]

Good points, Moose.

Here's my philosophy with regard to coaches on the hotseat: I will never, EVER advocate for the dismissal of an Appalachian State coach.
Not Jason Capel. Not Mike Working. Not Colin Crothers. Not even Chris Moore. And certainly not Billy Jones. Not that they don't deserve to be shown the door, but that it's not my job to push for it. That's the job of our athletic director. He sees and knows things within our department that I will never know. He understands our budget constraints. He knows all the ins and outs of all our coaches' contracts. It's his job to make the pieces fit. And it's his job to ask the coach to "bring his clipboard" when those pieces don't fit. For some of you, berating a coach is your personal kick-the-dog moment. You rationalize that you do it for the betterment of the university. It makes you feel superior, more in control. I understand that. It's sad but inevitable that a few fans on message boards derive pleasure this way. But for me, my one job as a fan of Appalachian State is to be as supportive as I possibly can. That's it. Our AD can handle the personnel decisions.

[App91]

Bottom line is Billy jones is a terrible head coach. Took a program that was winning every year, and 3 wins from Omaha... to a damn dumpster fire... What an embarrassing job he's done. Absolutely no player development occurs.

His excuse every year is youth. Well, when you run off the Sophs and juniors every year, of course your team is going to be young. He's had a "young" team for 4 years now. That's his own fault.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Thanks for ruining Pollard's hard work in 4 years.

Gee - who knew - It was just around 2 years ago that many of you same "fans" were calling for the firing of Scott Satterfield and some of the posts were quite embarrassing and downright asinine such as posting a For Sale on a House, etc.

Hey now!

[Saint3333]

I'm glad people care enough to discuss our baseball program. We aren't discussing Billy and his lack of success because we don't support App athletics, just the opposite. Apathy would be a larger problem. I truly hope Billy turns it around and said so many times.

This is a message board not a governing board, I hope no one is delusional enough to think what is posted here impacts any decision. Message boards have become the modern day barber shop in a sense.

[appbio91]

Good points, Moose.

Here's my philosophy with regard to coaches on the hotseat: I will never, EVER advocate for the dismissal of an Appalachian State coach.
Not Jason Capel. Not Mike Working. Not Colin Crothers. Not even Chris Moore. And certainly not Billy Jones. Not that they don't deserve to be shown the door, but that it's not my job to push for it. That's the job of our athletic director. He sees and knows things within our department that I will never know. He understands our budget constraints. He knows all the ins and outs of all our coaches' contracts. It's his job to make the pieces fit. And it's his job to ask the coach to "bring his clipboard" when those pieces don't fit. For some of you, berating a coach is your personal kick-the-dog moment. You rationalize that you do it for the betterment of the university. It makes you feel superior, more in control. I understand that. It's sad but inevitable that a few fans on message boards derive pleasure this way. But for me, my one job as a fan of Appalachian State is to be as supportive as I possibly can. That's it. Our AD can handle the personnel decisions.

Chris Moore had problems beyond being a bad coach if you recall so I would leave him out of that scenario.

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[dlh71]

Solution would be for AD to see if he could find a way for BJ to be reassigned to another job for the remainder of his contract.