NC St Game 2

[AppGrad78]

Poor baserunning by the Apps deprives the team of a chance to score. Does Jones stress fundamentals? This team really is a bit disappointing to date. I can handle losing considering the competition but it's how we lose.

The part that rubs me the wrong way about your post is the direct slap at Jones' coaching. Of course he stresses fundamentals. All good coaches do. And I'm certain we have a quality coaching staff. This "questioning of coaches' ability" that we're so famous for at App is a slippery slop. It starts with an observation like yours borne of frustration, then pretty soon somebody like SeattleApp jumps in and calls for the coaches' head before his seat gets warm. In an instant, we're stuck with a lame-duck coach with no possible way of digging out of the hole we're in. Frustrated? Yup, me too. But give our coaches a little breathing room ... and support.

[YesAppCan]

I don't, for one second, think hapapp doesn't believe Jones stresses fundamentals. I don't think it was anymore than an observation after 6 games that so far, for whatever reason, the team has made far too many fundamental errors. I have seen 5 of the games and we have shot ourselves in the foot in all 5 I have seen. Not saying we would have won without those, but you sure don't win many doing them.
What does seattleapp have to do with this anyway? I don't like the leap myself.

[BeauFoster]

There are a lot of people on this board who just don't get sarcasm, huh?

[WVAPPeer]

Does Jones stress fundamentals?

No, Jones hates fundamentals, Does not understand the basics of Dixie Youth Baseball and is in over his freaking head! I can't believe CC made this hire, they both will be off the mountain by June.

Probably NONE of our baseball recruits were actually even all-Stars on their Little League teams. They were the kids who where left over after RCCC, Queen's, and CPCC signed their recruits!

Coaches don't play and AD's don't Coach.

And your qualifications for making these astute observations are what? Saturday morning T Ball asst coach. Give me a break. Jones has forgot more about baseball than you will ever know.

Fish - While I agree completely with your statement, the same could be said about what Satterfield or Moore knows/knew certainly, What Cobb knows as an AD - even what Capel knows as a basketball coach - I don't remember many coming to the defense of these guys with this kind of response

[hapapp]

Poor baserunning by the Apps deprives the team of a chance to score. Does Jones stress fundamentals? This team really is a bit disappointing to date. I can handle losing considering the competition but it's how we lose.

The part that rubs me the wrong way about your post is the direct slap at Jones' coaching. Of course he stresses fundamentals. All good coaches do. And I'm certain we have a quality coaching staff. This "questioning of coaches' ability" that we're so famous for at App is a slippery slop. It starts with an observation like yours borne of frustration, then pretty soon somebody like SeattleApp jumps in and calls for the coaches' head before his seat gets warm. In an instant, we're stuck with a lame-duck coach with no possible way of digging out of the hole we're in. Frustrated? Yup, me too. But give our coaches a little breathing room ... and support.

I have faith in Billy Jones. He has a pedigree that suggests our team is in capable hands. But, clearly, right now this team is not playing sound fundamental baseball and it has perhaps cost us a game or two. Granted, by all accounts based on who we have played, we shouldn't be surprised at an 0-6 record. As I've said, it is not the fact that we have lost to some very good teams but how we have lost some of those games. Don't read any more into than that. I'm not down on Jones just disappointed that we aren't playing to our abilities yet.

[MountainMan2020]

The only error here is scheduling SEC, ACC schools out of the starting blocks. The previous coach usually caught schools traveling south to start the season rather then being the team traveling to warmer ground. The result was some wins over decent teams with some of the same weather issues we have

Bingo.... Pollard rebuilt the program by establishing a winning tradition, which was partially attributed to scheduling and building confidence. 11-0 against northeastern teams in Forest CIty is much better for the team than 0-11 vs. the top tier. Unfortunately we will likely start 0-11 and the extremely unfortunate thing is this team has some great talent.

[asutrnr81]

Does Jones stress fundamentals?

No, Jones hates fundamentals, Does not understand the basics of Dixie Youth Baseball and is in over his freaking head! I can't believe CC made this hire, they both will be off the mountain by June.

Probably NONE of our baseball recruits were actually even all-Stars on their Little League teams. They were the kids who where left over after RCCC, Queen's, and CPCC signed their recruits!

Coaches don't play and AD's don't Coach.

I didn't think Queens had a baseball team. I don't remember them having one when my daughter was there.

Do you think we have looked fundamentally sound the last two games?

NO!

Sorry, it has been a bad week!

My Bad!

[asutrnr81]

I can't believe CC made this hire, they both will be off the mountain by June.

If you or someone you know has $555,000 lying around to buy out Cobb's contract, which is $185,000 a year until Summer 2017, then go right ahead.

I WAS a joke! I know what bad coaching looks like.....I worked with athletics during the "Working" tenure.

See later clarification post.

[asutrnr81]

This does not belong here but it clarifies what I hoped was some levity.

I came to Boone in 1977 and worked with, traveled with, and still talk with some of the finest women and men I have ever met in my life.

I also worked with, and traveled with a few of the worst people and coaches that ASU has ever hired.

I also have listened and read (and will continue) on this board to a lot of people who talk about good people and coaches as if they themselves actually ever asked an 18 year old to do something and they did it every time you asked.

I shouldn't have commented or made it clear to HAP that I was being sarcastic.

'66 You were right on all points.

Beau....you read me pretty well.

T-Dog....I was joking....I am almost afraid to say this on here.....I like CC. I find him responsive and effective. The only thing I have ever said about CC was this year at the Citadel football game he wore nothing (unless he had on APP draws) that identified him with APP....and after the game I understood why!

KgFish....I wish you knew me! You talk about others, you comment about coaching and when I make a comment that if you knew as much as you aspire would KNOW RCCC and CPCC do not have athletic teams. The ONLY true (non-sarcastic) comment I made was Coaches don't play and AD's don't coach.

And now......Kgfish....I will never know as much as you do about anything.

For the record, There is only 1 current coach at ASU that I think is in over their head (at this point)...and that is Jason Capel. All of them focus on fundamentals. The most passionate I have seen (currently at ASU) about fundamentals is Darcy....and the lady APPs are struggling some this season!

[Kgfish]

Does Jones stress fundamentals?

No, Jones hates fundamentals, Does not understand the basics of Dixie Youth Baseball and is in over his freaking head! I can't believe CC made this hire, they both will be off the mountain by June.

Probably NONE of our baseball recruits were actually even all-Stars on their Little League teams. They were the kids who where left over after RCCC, Queen's, and CPCC signed their recruits!

Coaches don't play and AD's don't Coach.

And your qualifications for making these astute observations are what? Saturday morning T Ball asst coach. Give me a break. Jones has forgot more about baseball than you will ever know.

Fish - While I agree completely with your statement, the same could be said about what Satterfield or Moore knows/knew certainly, What Cobb knows as an AD - even what Capel knows as a basketball coach - I don't remember many coming to the defense of these guys with this kind of response

My comment is made with the understanding we are 5 games into year two and year one wasn't half bad. People have given the others you mentioned - with the exception of Scott and that was due to JM fall out - plenty of time to prove themselves.

[hapapp]

Does Jones stress fundamentals?

No, Jones hates fundamentals, Does not understand the basics of Dixie Youth Baseball and is in over his freaking head! I can't believe CC made this hire, they both will be off the mountain by June.

Probably NONE of our baseball recruits were actually even all-Stars on their Little League teams. They were the kids who where left over after RCCC, Queen's, and CPCC signed their recruits!

Coaches don't play and AD's don't Coach.

I didn't think Queens had a baseball team. I don't remember them having one when my daughter was there.

Do you think we have looked fundamentally sound the last two games?

NO!

Sorry, it has been a bad week!

My Bad!

Not a problem. I could have probably stated things a bit better in my original comment.

[Saint3333]

Hap based on your history on here I would like to think people wouldn't take your post as negative as some did.

To date the play has been sloppy. On the flip side I believe they will show improvement in fielding and pitching control week by week.

[WVAPPeer]

Does Jones stress fundamentals?

No, Jones hates fundamentals, Does not understand the basics of Dixie Youth Baseball and is in over his freaking head! I can't believe CC made this hire, they both will be off the mountain by June.

Probably NONE of our baseball recruits were actually even all-Stars on their Little League teams. They were the kids who where left over after RCCC, Queen's, and CPCC signed their recruits!

Coaches don't play and AD's don't Coach.

And your qualifications for making these astute observations are what? Saturday morning T Ball asst coach. Give me a break. Jones has forgot more about baseball than you will ever know.

Fish - While I agree completely with your statement, the same could be said about what Satterfield or Moore knows/knew certainly, What Cobb knows as an AD - even what Capel knows as a basketball coach - I don't remember many coming to the defense of these guys with this kind of response

My comment is made with the understanding we are 5 games into year two and year one wasn't half bad. People have given the others you mentioned - with the exception of Scott and that was due to JM fall out - plenty of time to prove themselves.

Actually your comment was about the coach knowing more than the fans - I said nothing about the amount of time to prove oneself - Capel knows more about coaching basketball than anyone on this board - doesn't mean he hasn't had time to prove himself ---

[App91]

Uh, can anyone tell me how the game went. 2 pages of back and forth bull!

[AppGrad78]

Apps (0-6) lose 7-0.

Game three of the series is Sunday at 1 p.m.

[Kgfish]

This does not belong here but it clarifies what I hoped was some levity.

I came to Boone in 1977 and worked with, traveled with, and still talk with some of the finest women and men I have ever met in my life.

I also worked with, and traveled with a few of the worst people and coaches that ASU has ever hired.

I also have listened and read (and will continue) on this board to a lot of people who talk about good people and coaches as if they themselves actually ever asked an 18 year old to do something and they did it every time you asked.

I shouldn't have commented or made it clear to HAP that I was being sarcastic.

'66 You were right on all points.

Beau....you read me pretty well.

T-Dog....I was joking....I am almost afraid to say this on here.....I like CC. I find him responsive and effective. The only thing I have ever said about CC was this year at the Citadel football game he wore nothing (unless he had on APP draws) that identified him with APP....and after the game I understood why!

KgFish....I wish you knew me! You talk about others, you comment about coaching and when I make a comment that if you knew as much as you aspire would KNOW RCCC and CPCC do not have athletic teams. The ONLY true (non-sarcastic) comment I made was Coaches don't play and AD's don't coach.

And now......Kgfish....I will never know as much as you do about anything.

For the record, There is only 1 current coach at ASU that I think is in over their head (at this point)...and that is Jason Capel. All of them focus on fundamentals. The most passionate I have seen (currently at ASU) about fundamentals is Darcy....and the lady APPs are struggling some this season!

Having a hard time understanding "if you knew as much as you aspire" because I aspire to know a lot more than I do. I do know those 2 community colleges don't have athletic programs. I don't recall giving any grief to any ASU coach other than Jerry Moore and Jason Capel. When I "comment about coaches" I usually give them more than 5 games into a 2nd season. I'm sure there are a few things you know more about than me.

[hapapp]

Since my comment started this whole mess let me try and set the record straight. I wasn't being critical of Coach Jones. I was merely stating an observation that the team hadn't been playing very fundamental baseball and yesterday's game seemed to be the culmination of that. There are many factors at play that likely have contributed to that, least likely would include Coach Jones. I remain optimistic, in this long season, that we will see this team show its true ability.

This thread has really demonstrated (multiple times) that it can be difficult to discern one's point and state of mind on a message board. Now, let's go out and win game 3!

[Kgfish]

Actually your comment was about the coach knowing more than the fans - I said nothing about the amount of time to prove oneself - Capel knows more about coaching basketball than anyone on this board - doesn't mean he hasn't had time to prove himself ---

Actually, my response was to ASUtnr81's comments, not yours.

[T-Dog]

Okay, we're cool. I've seen Charlie without App gear on before. I remember a wrestling dual meet earlier this year where he wore a red jacket. The horror.

Anyway, I wrote about this past week in baseball including a look ahead and how it can get better.

http://t.co/BfrQYq4SyS