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Coaching
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:19 pm
by asutrnr81
I have heard very little about the coaching this season and I guess that is because there has been little to fuss about.
I think this is the best job coaching (all aspects) I have seen ever at Appalachian....in all aspects.
It is going to be a tough job keeping this crowd together.
I sure hope we can!
Re: Coaching
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:54 pm
by HeffnerIV
Couldn't agree more
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Re: Coaching
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:57 pm
by BeauFoster
I mentioned that the defensive coaching this season has likely been the best it has been in the past 10 years, if not forever. We've have some great defensive seasons, but this year has been outstanding, against some decent competition. The in game adjustments, especially after the first drive, have been without peer in Boone, I think.
Re: Coaching
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:06 pm
by AppAlum1
Well, I understand your point. Satterfield & Company have done a great job; offense, defense, & special teams. All good. Fun to watch a winner.
The only comparable I offer for discussion is the transition from the Power-I to the Spread O that Coach Moore organized in 2004. You have to admit that transition took courage and persistence. Anyone remember that blowout in Laramie, Wyo.? The hard work and lumps that we took for that change paid dividends in 2005, 2006, and 2007. I would submit that Satterfield is benefiting today from Coach Moore's actions back then. At least to some extent.
But, on the other hand, this year's defense a special thing. And, yes, a great part of that is coaching.
Re: Coaching
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:18 pm
by Yosef10
AppAlum1 wrote:Well, I understand your point. Satterfield & Company have done a great job; offense, defense, & special teams. All good. Fun to watch a winner.
The only comparable I offer for discussion is the transition from the Power-I to the Spread O that Coach Moore organized in 2004. You have to admit that transition took courage and persistence. Anyone remember that blowout in Laramie, Wyo.? The hard work and lumps that we took for that change paid dividends in 2005, 2006, and 2007. I would submit that Satterfield is benefiting today from Coach Moore's actions back then. At least to some extent.
But, on the other hand, this year's defense a special thing. And, yes, a great part of that is coaching.
How so?
Not everything has to be because of coach Moore..
Re: Coaching
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:10 pm
by Saint3333
Satt and Moore benefitted from each other. I think Coach Moore and App benefitted from Scott talking him into keeping the spread after the 2004 WYO game and Scott's play calling during that stretch.
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Re: Coaching
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:13 pm
by JTApps1
AppAlum1 wrote:Well, I understand your point. Satterfield & Company have done a great job; offense, defense, & special teams. All good. Fun to watch a winner.
The only comparable I offer for discussion is the transition from the Power-I to the Spread O that Coach Moore organized in 2004. You have to admit that transition took courage and persistence. Anyone remember that blowout in Laramie, Wyo.? The hard work and lumps that we took for that change paid dividends in 2005, 2006, and 2007. I would submit that Satterfield is benefiting today from Coach Moore's actions back then. At least to some extent.
But, on the other hand, this year's defense a special thing. And, yes, a great part of that is coaching.
Satterfield was the one pushing Moore to make the change, and he had to convince Moore to stick with it after Wyoming destroyed us in 2004. So maybe Moore is the one that benefited. Some folks won't ever agree with that though.
Re: Coaching
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:43 pm
by AppAlum1
Yosef10 wrote:AppAlum1 wrote:Well, I understand your point. Satterfield & Company have done a great job; offense, defense, & special teams. All good. Fun to watch a winner.
The only comparable I offer for discussion is the transition from the Power-I to the Spread O that Coach Moore organized in 2004. You have to admit that transition took courage and persistence. Anyone remember that blowout in Laramie, Wyo.? The hard work and lumps that we took for that change paid dividends in 2005, 2006, and 2007. I would submit that Satterfield is benefiting today from Coach Moore's actions back then. At least to some extent.
But, on the other hand, this year's defense a special thing. And, yes, a great part of that is coaching.
How so?
Not everything has to be because of coach Moore..
And, I did not say everything was because of Coach Moore. Please re-read my post much more carefully than you obviously did. Then, you may ask another question. If you still need to. I'll answer.
Re: Coaching
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:52 pm
by ASU-FTW
Inb4 someone guarantees *insert coach name here* is leaving us for a P5 school.
Re: Coaching
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:55 pm
by AppAlum1
JTApps1 wrote: Satterfield was the one pushing Moore to make the change, and he had to convince Moore to stick with it after Wyoming destroyed us in 2004. So maybe Moore is the one that benefited. Some folks won't ever agree with that though.
As I recall, Coach Moore and the coaching staff both visited a number of different campuses whose coaches ran the spread option prior to implementing the Spread. I am sure it took a collective effort among the coaching staff to make such a basic change happen. However, the Head Coach bears the ultimate responsibility. In the end, it was his decision to change, to stick with it, or to change back.
I had not heard that Coach Moore was going to bail after the performance at Wyoming. So, thanks for enlightening me. That does not sound like Coach Moore to me. Further, to have reverted back to the Power I would not have made sense. We went from Joe Burchette to Richie Williams. Williams was MUCH more suited to the spread option. I think I recall that Williams ran the spread in high school.
And, yes, Coach Moore benefited from having good assistant coaches.
Re: Coaching
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:17 pm
by Yosef10
AppAlum1 wrote:Yosef10 wrote:AppAlum1 wrote:Well, I understand your point. Satterfield & Company have done a great job; offense, defense, & special teams. All good. Fun to watch a winner.
The only comparable I offer for discussion is the transition from the Power-I to the Spread O that Coach Moore organized in 2004. You have to admit that transition took courage and persistence. Anyone remember that blowout in Laramie, Wyo.? The hard work and lumps that we took for that change paid dividends in 2005, 2006, and 2007. I would submit that Satterfield is benefiting today from Coach Moore's actions back then. At least to some extent.
But, on the other hand, this year's defense a special thing. And, yes, a great part of that is coaching.
How so?
Not everything has to be because of coach Moore..
And, I did not say everything was because of Coach Moore. Please re-read my post much more carefully than you obviously did. Then, you may ask another question. If you still need to. I'll answer.
I just didn't/don't understand how satt is benefiting from anything Moore did?
Re: Coaching
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:47 am
by Appsolutely
Moore deserves credit for many things. But Satterfield pushed him to implement the spread and dissuaded him from ditching it after the Marshall game in '04. And for the first time in years, our defensive coordinator is making adjustments in a timely manner, instead of waiting until the second half. It is refreshing to see us make immediate adjustments instead of taking an hour and a half to watch 60 Minutes.
Re: Coaching
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:18 am
by Longrifle28
Coach Moore is a great man. But this thread is about now.
I have to agree with the original post. Our team has gone out and done what it is expected to do with no wtf moments. I think the speed and physicality of Clemson surprised us, especially our young quarterback, but the coach left him in the game to learn. I think that loss has made us even better because we thought we were better than what the score showed, and we know we will not play anyone more talented this year. Offense and defense is strong, players are well prepared, and we improved in the areas that needed improving like special teams. We don't panic if we get behind and we make adjustments when needed. I think the coaching staff is on top of it and doing a great job. I doubted this a little at the beginning of the year, but I am a believer now.
Re: Coaching
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:50 am
by Yosef84
I do think Coach Moore is part of what is going on now because he built the foundation over a long period of time and helped to grow the winning tradition. That being said, Satterfield didn't exactly come in and ride a wave of success that was handed to him. Satterfield re-ignited a flame that was dimming and has proven himself to be an outstanding coach. I don't think people appreciate the overwhelming task that faced him in re-building our progra (discipline, S&C program, staff) while also transitioning to FBS. The success we've had in the relatively short time he's been coach is downright amazing.
I do understand the bemoaning of our SOS this year, but people need to remember that the teams we've been dominating this year might be weak for FBS but they would be formidable FCS programs. GSU might not be an FCS playoff team, but they would be a top 40 team. Yes, our schedule is weak for FBS but if we had played this schedul a few years ago, it would have been considered difficult.
Re: Coaching
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:12 pm
by JTApps1
Yosef84 wrote:I do think Coach Moore is part of what is going on now because he built the foundation over a long period of time and helped to grow the winning tradition. That being said, Satterfield didn't exactly come in and ride a wave of success that was handed to him. Satterfield re-ignited a flame that was dimming and has proven himself to be an outstanding coach. I don't think people appreciate the overwhelming task that faced him in re-building our progra (discipline, S&C program, staff) while also transitioning to FBS. The success we've had in the relatively short time he's been coach is downright amazing.
I do understand the bemoaning of our SOS this year, but people need to remember that the teams we've been dominating this year might be weak for FBS but they would be formidable FCS programs. GSU might not be an FCS playoff team, but they would be a top 40 team. Yes, our schedule is weak for FBS but if we had played this schedul a few years ago, it would have been considered difficult.
I've had basically the same conversation with my dad. A few years ago we would be losing our minds to be 6-1 against this schedule. Just 10 years ago Wyoming was our big "money" game and we got killed, and now fans are disappointed to only win 31-13 over them.
Re: Coaching
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:40 pm
by bigdaddyg
Yosef84 wrote:I do think Coach Moore is part of what is going on now because he built the foundation over a long period of time and helped to grow the winning tradition. That being said, Satterfield didn't exactly come in and ride a wave of success that was handed to him. Satterfield re-ignited a flame that was dimming and has proven himself to be an outstanding coach. I don't think people appreciate the overwhelming task that faced him in re-building our progra (discipline, S&C program, staff) while also transitioning to FBS. The success we've had in the relatively short time he's been coach is downright amazing.
I do understand the bemoaning of our SOS this year, but people need to remember that the teams we've been dominating this year might be weak for FBS but they would be formidable FCS programs. GSU might not be an FCS playoff team, but they would be a top 40 team. Yes, our schedule is weak for FBS but if we had played this schedul a few years ago, it would have been considered difficult.
I see and appreciate your point about the schedule and our opponents but I don't think it is an appropriate assumption that the weaker FBS teams we have beaten would be formidable FCS programs. For one, they would all have 20 or so few scholarship players. Also, I am not convinced that Howard would fare much better even at the lower level. Of course this schedule would have been more difficult. We have upgraded the level of athletes overall. There are probably quite a few players on our roster who would have gone to other G5 schools years ago. In the glory years of our FCS dominance we had some guys who overachieved and others who slipped through the FBS cracks due to perceived lack of height, speed, etc. We (me included) feel like back in those days a couple of our teams could have completed nicely in many FBS conferences if we had the luxury of 20 more players.
Re: Coaching
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:37 pm
by Appsolutely
Satterfield inherited a program in decline. He has done a helluva job turning things around this quickly. Hiring Woody and a new S&C coach has made a tremendous difference.
And the "messy" transition didn't help.
Re: Coaching
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:50 pm
by Yosef84
bigdaddyg wrote:Yosef84 wrote:I do think Coach Moore is part of what is going on now because he built the foundation over a long period of time and helped to grow the winning tradition. That being said, Satterfield didn't exactly come in and ride a wave of success that was handed to him. Satterfield re-ignited a flame that was dimming and has proven himself to be an outstanding coach. I don't think people appreciate the overwhelming task that faced him in re-building our progra (discipline, S&C program, staff) while also transitioning to FBS. The success we've had in the relatively short time he's been coach is downright amazing.
I do understand the bemoaning of our SOS this year, but people need to remember that the teams we've been dominating this year might be weak for FBS but they would be formidable FCS programs. GSU might not be an FCS playoff team, but they would be a top 40 team. Yes, our schedule is weak for FBS but if we had played this schedul a few years ago, it would have been considered difficult.
I see and appreciate your point about the schedule and our opponents but I don't think it is an appropriate assumption that the weaker FBS teams we have beaten would be formidable FCS programs. For one, they would all have 20 or so few scholarship players. Also, I am not convinced that Howard would fare much better even at the lower level. Of course this schedule would have been more difficult. We have upgraded the level of athletes overall. There are probably quite a few players on our roster who would have gone to other G5 schools years ago. In the glory years of our FCS dominance we had some guys who overachieved and others who slipped through the FBS cracks due to perceived lack of height, speed, etc. We (me included) feel like back in those days a couple of our teams could have completed nicely in many FBS conferences if we had the luxury of 20 more players.
My point isn't about the extra scholarships. In fact, it is specifically that the teams we're playing HAVE those scholarships and are better (for whatever reason) than most of the teams in FCS. No doubt that Howard is bad even by FCS standards! I'm just saying that we are playing at a higher level than people realize. We've made it look easy, so it gets overlooked. I'm absolutely NOT detracting from those great championship teams we've had in the past. You are right that it is not an "apples to apples" comparison. I agree that those teams probably could have competed in some FBS conferences. My comment is directed more at the strength of the opponents we're dominating.
Re: Coaching
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:21 pm
by MtnDevil95
First I agree the coaching staff has done an amazing job with this team, and the in-game adjustments. They've been mentioned elsewhere here before, but believe deserving of special mention are Woody and his defensive coaching. The preparation and in-game adjustments have been the best I've seen in all the college games I've watched this year.
The Strength & Conditioning improvement have been outstanding. It seems to me that last year at this 1-5 mark we were bemoaning how awful the team was playing late in the 3rd and through the 4th. Now going into late game situations with the score well in our favor helps, but not 1 team this season, including Clemson, has out muscled our guys through the final whistle. HUGE improvement.
Yeah, our SOS is relatively weak, but look at what we've done against opponents that are on other schedules. How much worse we beat ODU that NC State, or how we handled ULM with greater ease than Georgia - the Dawgs not the Eagles. Clemson pounded us, but look what they did to Miami this weekend, epic beat down.
Re: Coaching
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:44 pm
by asutrnr81
Longrifle28 wrote:Coach Moore is a great man. But this thread is about now.
Thanks Long......
To ALL:
I started this thread and had NO thought about any Coach Moore issue. It was not intended to be about him....any more than Sparky or Coach Brakefield. It was just a point of where I think we are right now. Heck if cooking dinner for them would make a difference, I'd make a point of getting up there and cooking!
Please do not make this a Coach Moore, (Whom I have the GREATEST respect for) thread. It truly is where are we now!...cause quite frankly i would not be making this post without all the past hurdles and accomplishments. I just think this crowd is special...