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I think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.
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That's an idea for sure. If players were truly in an employee contract relationship that spans multiple years that could be an approach to put a value on the resource/asset that is getting poached and compensate the business (school) that is losing their resource/asset.NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:58 amI think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.
we're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:58 amI think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.
Yep, players being contract employees is all but certain at this point. It kills the connection between players and school in a lot of ways, and that is sad to see since it's a big part of differentiates college from the NFL. The massive TV deals changed everything though.BallantyneApp wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:46 amwe're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:58 amI think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.
I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.
It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.
Connection between players and schools can't be deader than it is right now. At least with employee contracts, the school will be the ones paying them instead of... whoever is now, and they can hopefully establish a little stability with multi-year contracts. Plus actually ensure players are going to play rather than just "opting out" whenever they feel like it.JTApps1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 10:09 amYep, players being contract employees is all but certain at this point. It kills the connection between players and school in a lot of ways, and that is sad to see since it's a big part of differentiates college from the NFL. The massive TV deals changed everything though.BallantyneApp wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:46 amwe're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:58 amI think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.
I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.
It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.
How do buyouts work for those that are asked to leave by the coaches due to under performance?BallantyneApp wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:46 amwe're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:58 amI think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.
I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.
It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.
You've asked this question before and the answer remains the same. It will be same way every other employer in the US with employees under contract (i.e. not at will employment). Coaches buyouts go both ways and athletes will as well. There will be risks to signing players for multiple years, but in reality that is only an extension of the yearly risks we take on each scholarship.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 10:31 amHow do buyouts work for those that are asked to leave by the coaches due to under performance?BallantyneApp wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:46 amwe're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:58 amI think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.
I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.
It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.
the same as any other buyout- we either pay it or wait for the contract to expire. Maybe we can add a school option for the last year like they have in NFL years for team/player options. This will be hashed out by contract lawyers. Can't have your cake and eat it too, buyouts work 2 ways.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 10:31 amHow do buyouts work for those that are asked to leave by the coaches due to under performance?BallantyneApp wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:46 amwe're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:58 amI think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.
I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.
It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.
This all makes sense and I don’t disagree with any of it as it’s now a business and you have to treat it as such. There is certainly risk and reward for both sides. I can only look at this from a perspective of “what would I do?” If I’m negotiating a contract to play at a school, I’d want a clause that allows me to leave without compensatory damages due to a coaching change. In that instance, which seems plausible, a school like App would lose any leverage to recoup money owed for guys like Johnson, Donald, Hollifield, Hopper, and Schrader.BallantyneApp wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 10:52 amthe same as any other buyout- we either pay it or wait for the contract to expire. Maybe we can add a school option for the last year like they have in NFL years for team/player options. This will be hashed out by contract lawyers. Can't have your cake and eat it too, buyouts work 2 ways.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 10:31 amHow do buyouts work for those that are asked to leave by the coaches due to under performance?BallantyneApp wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:46 amwe're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:58 amI think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.
I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.
It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.
Now, like any other contract, any clause can be waived with mutual agreement. Some players who want to drop down to FCS/lower G5 might be willing to forgo their buyout clause so they can sign with another team.
My BIL works in athletics at PSU. He said they are going to be straight up employees (1-2-3 year contracts, medical benefits, etc). Obviously lots of things to be ironed out but the way the model is trending Title 9 will be no more. Universities will decide what sports they want to field as NCAA or whatever entity comes along. All other sports will be club. G5's will have their own league within the next 5-7 years.BallantyneApp wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 10:52 amthe same as any other buyout- we either pay it or wait for the contract to expire. Maybe we can add a school option for the last year like they have in NFL years for team/player options. This will be hashed out by contract lawyers. Can't have your cake and eat it too, buyouts work 2 ways.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 10:31 amHow do buyouts work for those that are asked to leave by the coaches due to under performance?BallantyneApp wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:46 amwe're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:58 amI think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.
I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.
It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.
Now, like any other contract, any clause can be waived with mutual agreement. Some players who want to drop down to FCS/lower G5 might be willing to forgo their buyout clause so they can sign with another team.
seems very plausible to me. Makes me extra thankful for our 2015-2019 run. Wish we could have pulled off Ga Southern and played a NY6 bowl.Appmountaineers19 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 11:12 amMy BIL works in athletics at PSU. He said they are going to be straight up employees (1-2-3 year contracts, medical benefits, etc). The way the model is trending Title 9 will be no more. Universities will decide what sports they want to field as NCAA or whatever entity comes along. All other sports will be club. G5's will have their own league within the next 5-7 years.BallantyneApp wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 10:52 amthe same as any other buyout- we either pay it or wait for the contract to expire. Maybe we can add a school option for the last year like they have in NFL years for team/player options. This will be hashed out by contract lawyers. Can't have your cake and eat it too, buyouts work 2 ways.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 10:31 amHow do buyouts work for those that are asked to leave by the coaches due to under performance?BallantyneApp wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:46 amwe're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:58 am
I think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.
I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.
It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.
Now, like any other contract, any clause can be waived with mutual agreement. Some players who want to drop down to FCS/lower G5 might be willing to forgo their buyout clause so they can sign with another team.
Even the big schools aren't fully funding every sport to there max as well with the new rules in place.