Roster/Staff Updates

[AppSt94]

I think you are correct. However, I think there is a large number of fans who simply cannot come to terms with that, myself included. That means that I am much closer to no longer being a fan than to accepting what this has become.

It has definitely affected my interest and passion. It’s becoming more of a choice for my entertainment dollars.

I have been that way for 3 years now and I am thinking that is how it probably should be for us now. Players aren't loyal to us and I am not going to be loyal to them.

There is really no excuse for us not to go 6-6 or 7-5 every year in football. It takes good evaluation skills, good S&C program, good recruiting, roster management, and some good in-game coaching. If we somehow have a losing season again I think an autopsy needs to be done in all of those departments and see where we are falling short.

As for basketball, I am wondering what Kerns would put on the court next year if we had took all of our NIL money in football and gave it to him to keep Marcus and Wilson. One thing we know for sure is that Kerns is seeing huge turnover and at least putting a winning team on the floor every year.

You can’t bucket baseball and basketball in with football. Basketball requires 8 quality players. Baseball can win with solid starting pitching and solid play up the middle.

Football is a completely separate animal. Too many variables such as the ones you describe above have to be in order. The only one that I would adjust from your list is S&C. While it’s important, you can’t bucket baseball have the best staff in the conference but if the players are willing to put in the work needed what’s the point? My point is that you can’t place the entire blame on the S&C staff if things don’t work. You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t.

It is different because it takes many more players but the point is if you do those things you should at least contend. I agree with you that we can't expect 10 wins every year but we have more resources, better tradition, etc than most Sun Belt schools so we should be able to contend in this league. If we are missing a bowl game 2 out of 3 years or 6-6 becomes normal then it would tell me we have the wrong coaches and support staff. I would not place blame on one group if things don't work out. I would say it has to be a combo of things.

I’ve been saying this for the past three years but you and those that just want to argue made it all about wins and losses. You can’t have it both ways.

[Stonewall]

If 6-6 becomes normal we will have a different set of people to complain about. From top to bottom.

[appdaze]

Guys wear scarves on the daily?

At what point did I say on the daily? This is referring to games. Good grief, no wonder we can't hold traditions. If "fans" don't have a certain level of reading comprehension, imagination, motivation, and caring, then yes, the mentality you have displayed will continue to send us down a negative path. People may start mistaking us for Tarheels at this rate.

Dude. It was a joke. Maybe take off your scarf, bend down and take your panties out of your crotch..

And, yes, I agree.. if we start showing up in full force with scarves, we will be call Junior Holes fans

Wow karen, you are just going to try and start a fight about anything in here, aren't you? Have a good day. Your mentality isn't worth wasting time with.

[BambooRdApp]

Guys wear scarves on the daily?

At what point did I say on the daily? This is referring to games. Good grief, no wonder we can't hold traditions. If "fans" don't have a certain level of reading comprehension, imagination, motivation, and caring, then yes, the mentality you have displayed will continue to send us down a negative path. People may start mistaking us for Tarheels at this rate.

Dude. It was a joke. Maybe take off your scarf, bend down and take your panties out of your crotch..

And, yes, I agree.. if we start showing up in full force with scarves, we will be call Junior Holes fans

Wow karen, you are just going to try and start a fight about anything in here, aren't you? Have a good day. Your mentality isn't worth wasting time with.

Bahahahaha. Loosen up your scarf and your girdle..both are too tight

I reply with a joke about scarves .. with 3 laughing emojis after the comment.. and you have a smart ass response.. and, yet, I am the Karen... I do not believe you understand how the Karen concept works..

[AppStFan1]

It has definitely affected my interest and passion. It’s becoming more of a choice for my entertainment dollars.

I have been that way for 3 years now and I am thinking that is how it probably should be for us now. Players aren't loyal to us and I am not going to be loyal to them.

There is really no excuse for us not to go 6-6 or 7-5 every year in football. It takes good evaluation skills, good S&C program, good recruiting, roster management, and some good in-game coaching. If we somehow have a losing season again I think an autopsy needs to be done in all of those departments and see where we are falling short.

As for basketball, I am wondering what Kerns would put on the court next year if we had took all of our NIL money in football and gave it to him to keep Marcus and Wilson. One thing we know for sure is that Kerns is seeing huge turnover and at least putting a winning team on the floor every year.

You can’t bucket baseball and basketball in with football. Basketball requires 8 quality players. Baseball can win with solid starting pitching and solid play up the middle.

Football is a completely separate animal. Too many variables such as the ones you describe above have to be in order. The only one that I would adjust from your list is S&C. While it’s important, you can’t bucket baseball have the best staff in the conference but if the players are willing to put in the work needed what’s the point? My point is that you can’t place the entire blame on the S&C staff if things don’t work. You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t.

It is different because it takes many more players but the point is if you do those things you should at least contend. I agree with you that we can't expect 10 wins every year but we have more resources, better tradition, etc than most Sun Belt schools so we should be able to contend in this league. If we are missing a bowl game 2 out of 3 years or 6-6 becomes normal then it would tell me we have the wrong coaches and support staff. I would not place blame on one group if things don't work out. I would say it has to be a combo of things.

I’ve been saying this for the past three years but you and those that just want to argue made it all about wins and losses. You can’t have it both ways.

I never argued that there aren't multiple things but you were focused on things like COVID, etc when the reality is someone had to win during that time period. I do hope that if Loggains does not work out that our next head coach is a current or former FCS head coach who won and has shown to find hidden gems. In this era I feel like experience dealing with pay to play and the portal along with experience as a head coach is a big advantage. If you take someone who has not been one you are taking a much bigger risk.

[AppStFan1]

If 6-6 becomes normal we will have a different set of people to complain about. From top to bottom.

Bingo. I don't care what the era is, there is no excuse for us to be 6-6 or worse every year. We can win 8 or more most of the time. It is harder now but still possible.

[ASUFan4863]

I think most logical people understand there are more things that affect program success than just the coach. I feel as if you should give someone the opportunity to correct their mistakes and if they don’t, then move on. From a thousand foot view, you want to see tangible improvement over the course of 3 or 5 years.

I believe opportunities were given to the past staff to correct things. Some changes worked, but enough didn’t to the point there was not tangible improvement. I believe opportunities have been given to this staff to correct things. It remains to be seen what does and doesn’t work.

[Mjohn1988]

Tradition is made by the fans. Culture is made by all involved. Those two aren't mutually exclusive to the players and coaches. If they were, then all those pro teams would have nothing. If we want tradition, then make it ourselves as fans, stop waiting on ADs to tell you what tradition is. If you want culture, then create it amongst the students each year. Get involved with the student groups to organize things for games. Players have always come and gone. They are not the tradition, and they join the existing culture, not solely create it. So now they leave in 1-3 years instead of 2-4.

Here is one. Let's start a tradition of black and gold checkered scarves with the App crest on the end, as the soccer world does. It's a great and easy piece that any fan of any level can pick up and be a part of. Seeing a sea of black and gold scarves in the stands can become a tradition. They can become "rally towels" when needed. It's cool/cold enough to be worn for 80% of our home games.

If you keep waiting on others to make the traditions and culture, then yes, we will fade into oblivion as those "others" are ADs and money movers who are solely looking for wins to either make money from or boost their resume.

If we lose the tradition and culture that is on the fans and students. If we lose the wins, that is on the AD/coaches/players.

We had great traditions and then someone decided those traditions weren’t good enough for the FCS. So we started doing something different every few weeks. Different is the opposite of a tradition. So now the PA plays music over the band while the fans try to start the App State chant. I guess our new tradition is not having traditions.

[AppStFan1]

I think most logical people understand there are more things that affect program success than just the coach. I feel as if you should give someone the opportunity to correct their mistakes and if they don’t, then move on. From a thousand foot view, you want to see tangible improvement over the course of 3 or 5 years.

I believe opportunities were given to the past staff to correct things. Some changes worked, but enough didn’t to the point there was not tangible improvement. I believe opportunities have been given to this staff to correct things. It remains to be seen what does and doesn’t work.

That was my stance. We got worse over time. This staff has been given things to improve for sure. I don't expect 10+ wins this year but I feel like 7-8 should be fair. Like you said, we will see if that is what happens. If we win 9+ then those who wanted Loggains gone or doubted him should feel better.

[AppStFan1]

Tradition is made by the fans. Culture is made by all involved. Those two aren't mutually exclusive to the players and coaches. If they were, then all those pro teams would have nothing. If we want tradition, then make it ourselves as fans, stop waiting on ADs to tell you what tradition is. If you want culture, then create it amongst the students each year. Get involved with the student groups to organize things for games. Players have always come and gone. They are not the tradition, and they join the existing culture, not solely create it. So now they leave in 1-3 years instead of 2-4.

Here is one. Let's start a tradition of black and gold checkered scarves with the App crest on the end, as the soccer world does. It's a great and easy piece that any fan of any level can pick up and be a part of. Seeing a sea of black and gold scarves in the stands can become a tradition. They can become "rally towels" when needed. It's cool/cold enough to be worn for 80% of our home games.

If you keep waiting on others to make the traditions and culture, then yes, we will fade into oblivion as those "others" are ADs and money movers who are solely looking for wins to either make money from or boost their resume.

If we lose the tradition and culture that is on the fans and students. If we lose the wins, that is on the AD/coaches/players.

We had great traditions and then someone decided those traditions weren’t good enough for the FCS. So we started doing something different every few weeks. Different is the opposite of a tradition. So now the PA plays music over the band while the fans try to start the App State chant. I guess our new tradition is not having traditions.

Agreed. I would have fired the PA people long ago.

[Stonewall]

The dismissing of our traditions is something a few influential people are trying to correct. BTW , something very cool and perhaps overdue , my opinion, coming soon.

[firemoose]

Speaking of traditions.....

[bcoach]

I am not one of those complaining but just feel like those who have complained won't stop until we are Sun Belt East Champions and I do think that would take 10 wins.

We are in a new era of college football where old expectations need to be removed. Like it or not, we are a minor league division for the big boys. Rosters are going to be revolving doors. That comes with losses such as tradition, culture and inconsistency. 7-5 needs to be the standard mindset of fans.

I think you are correct. However, I think there is a large number of fans who simply cannot come to terms with that, myself included. That means that I am much closer to no longer being a fan than to accepting what this has become.

It has definitely affected my interest and passion. It’s becoming more of a choice for my entertainment dollars.

I have been that way for 3 years now and I am thinking that is how it probably should be for us now. Players aren't loyal to us and I am not going to be loyal to them.

There is really no excuse for us not to go 6-6 or 7-5 every year in football. It takes good evaluation skills, good S&C program, good recruiting, roster management, and some good in-game coaching. If we somehow have a losing season again I think an autopsy needs to be done in all of those departments and see where we are falling short.

As for basketball, I am wondering what Kerns would put on the court next year if we had took all of our NIL money in football and gave it to him to keep Marcus and Wilson. One thing we know for sure is that Kerns is seeing huge turnover and at least putting a winning team on the floor every year.

If we go 6-6 every year the stands will have 12 people in them. If we go 7-5 every year ther will be 68 fans every game.

[AppBox]

The dismissing of our traditions is something a few influential people are trying to correct. BTW , something very cool and perhaps overdue , my opinion, coming soon.

I hope that means getting rid of the Alabama intro

[BambooRdApp]

Does this mean I need to go buy a black scarf for GameDays?

[AppSt94]

We are in a new era of college football where old expectations need to be removed. Like it or not, we are a minor league division for the big boys. Rosters are going to be revolving doors. That comes with losses such as tradition, culture and inconsistency. 7-5 needs to be the standard mindset of fans.

I think you are correct. However, I think there is a large number of fans who simply cannot come to terms with that, myself included. That means that I am much closer to no longer being a fan than to accepting what this has become.

It has definitely affected my interest and passion. It’s becoming more of a choice for my entertainment dollars.

I have been that way for 3 years now and I am thinking that is how it probably should be for us now. Players aren't loyal to us and I am not going to be loyal to them.

There is really no excuse for us not to go 6-6 or 7-5 every year in football. It takes good evaluation skills, good S&C program, good recruiting, roster management, and some good in-game coaching. If we somehow have a losing season again I think an autopsy needs to be done in all of those departments and see where we are falling short.

As for basketball, I am wondering what Kerns would put on the court next year if we had took all of our NIL money in football and gave it to him to keep Marcus and Wilson. One thing we know for sure is that Kerns is seeing huge turnover and at least putting a winning team on the floor every year.

If we go 6-6 every year the stands will have 12 people in them. If we go 7-5 every year ther will be 68 fans every game.

That seems a bit extreme.

[BambooRdApp]

I think you are correct. However, I think there is a large number of fans who simply cannot come to terms with that, myself included. That means that I am much closer to no longer being a fan than to accepting what this has become.

It has definitely affected my interest and passion. It’s becoming more of a choice for my entertainment dollars.

I have been that way for 3 years now and I am thinking that is how it probably should be for us now. Players aren't loyal to us and I am not going to be loyal to them.

There is really no excuse for us not to go 6-6 or 7-5 every year in football. It takes good evaluation skills, good S&C program, good recruiting, roster management, and some good in-game coaching. If we somehow have a losing season again I think an autopsy needs to be done in all of those departments and see where we are falling short.

As for basketball, I am wondering what Kerns would put on the court next year if we had took all of our NIL money in football and gave it to him to keep Marcus and Wilson. One thing we know for sure is that Kerns is seeing huge turnover and at least putting a winning team on the floor every year.

If we go 6-6 every year the stands will have 12 people in them. If we go 7-5 every year ther will be 68 fans every game.

That seems a bit extreme.

From my personal perspective, I have not lost interest in terms of commitment. However, I can see where folks may lose interest in the new era if invested in the players as well as the program. Maybe it is how I am wired, however, I am invested while they are here.. whether one year or four years. Once they leave, wish them luck and I move on. Maybe this is due to the industry that I work that has turnover, etc. or that I grew up near a large military base. As such, we had some turnover of teammates on a yearly basis.
It will be interesting to see if the younger generation picks up the slack as this will be an environment of all they know.

I do believe.that fans may lose interest over time if we are not winning on a regular basis. However, I think that applies to most programs and not just applicable to App. St.
I am curious to where we stand on the backlog of people wanting season tickets as compared to 3, 5 years ago, etc.

For me, if I were not invested in football, my dollars would go to baseball. If a few more additions to this year's team, I feel like we would be competing for the very top of the conference as well as giving us arms to be more competitive in weekday games.

[BallantyneApp]

The dismissing of our traditions is something a few influential people are trying to correct. BTW , something very cool and perhaps overdue , my opinion, coming soon.

Buglers dream at kickoff thank the lord.

[fjblair]

Tradition is made by the fans. Culture is made by all involved. Those two aren't mutually exclusive to the players and coaches. If they were, then all those pro teams would have nothing. If we want tradition, then make it ourselves as fans, stop waiting on ADs to tell you what tradition is. If you want culture, then create it amongst the students each year. Get involved with the student groups to organize things for games. Players have always come and gone. They are not the tradition, and they join the existing culture, not solely create it. So now they leave in 1-3 years instead of 2-4.

Here is one. Let's start a tradition of black and gold checkered scarves with the App crest on the end, as the soccer world does. It's a great and easy piece that any fan of any level can pick up and be a part of. Seeing a sea of black and gold scarves in the stands can become a tradition. They can become "rally towels" when needed. It's cool/cold enough to be worn for 80% of our home games.

If you keep waiting on others to make the traditions and culture, then yes, we will fade into oblivion as those "others" are ADs and money movers who are solely looking for wins to either make money from or boost their resume.

If we lose the tradition and culture that is on the fans and students. If we lose the wins, that is on the AD/coaches/players.

We had great traditions and then someone decided those traditions weren’t good enough for the FCS. So we started doing something different every few weeks. Different is the opposite of a tradition. So now the PA plays music over the band while the fans try to start the App State chant. I guess our new tradition is not having traditions.

Bingo. We had a rich culture and numerous traditions until we went FBS and someone eventually decided we needed to be more mainstream, or something.

[bcoach]

I think you are correct. However, I think there is a large number of fans who simply cannot come to terms with that, myself included. That means that I am much closer to no longer being a fan than to accepting what this has become.

It has definitely affected my interest and passion. It’s becoming more of a choice for my entertainment dollars.

I have been that way for 3 years now and I am thinking that is how it probably should be for us now. Players aren't loyal to us and I am not going to be loyal to them.

There is really no excuse for us not to go 6-6 or 7-5 every year in football. It takes good evaluation skills, good S&C program, good recruiting, roster management, and some good in-game coaching. If we somehow have a losing season again I think an autopsy needs to be done in all of those departments and see where we are falling short.

As for basketball, I am wondering what Kerns would put on the court next year if we had took all of our NIL money in football and gave it to him to keep Marcus and Wilson. One thing we know for sure is that Kerns is seeing huge turnover and at least putting a winning team on the floor every year.

If we go 6-6 every year the stands will have 12 people in them. If we go 7-5 every year ther will be 68 fans every game.

That seems a bit extreme.

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