Roster/Staff Updates

[appdaze]

Just win the conference. I'll keep beating this drum. Just win the conference. That is the only goal we have any true control over. We can recruit and pay players on roughly the same level as our conference foes, so it's the only thing we have that is close to an even playing field. Just win the conference.

[appst89]

Double digit win is a tall order. No pun intended.

I am not one of those complaining but just feel like those who have complained won't stop until we are Sun Belt East Champions and I do think that would take 10 wins.

We are in a new era of college football where old expectations need to be removed. Like it or not, we are a minor league division for the big boys. Rosters are going to be revolving doors. That comes with losses such as tradition, culture and inconsistency. 7-5 needs to be the standard mindset of fans.

I think you are correct. However, I think there is a large number of fans who simply cannot come to terms with that, myself included. That means that I am much closer to no longer being a fan than to accepting what this has become.

[AppStFan1]

Makes no sense. We only.plsy 8 SBC games. We could lose every OOC and still be SBC Champs.

Technically you are right but realistically do you think we are good enough to do so if we can't beat at least 2 of our OOC opponents? Also, I believe we would lose at least 1 SBC game and when you add in the conference title game I would think it is likely that we would likely have at least 9, maybe 10, wins to do so.

[AppStFan1]

Double digit win is a tall order. No pun intended.

I am not one of those complaining but just feel like those who have complained won't stop until we are Sun Belt East Champions and I do think that would take 10 wins.

We are in a new era of college football where old expectations need to be removed. Like it or not, we are a minor league division for the big boys. Rosters are going to be revolving doors. That comes with losses such as tradition, culture and inconsistency. 7-5 needs to be the standard mindset of fans.

That is hard to do and will take time. Just because that might need to be the case does not mean there won't be unwarranted heat on him if we go 7-5 this year. I feel like he needs 9-10 wins to get people fully off his case about not playing politics.

There are several G6 teams who win more than 7 games on average a year in this era so it is possible and as long as others do it I think many of our fans are going to expect it as well.

[311neers]

Double digit win is a tall order. No pun intended.

I am not one of those complaining but just feel like those who have complained won't stop until we are Sun Belt East Champions and I do think that would take 10 wins.

We are in a new era of college football where old expectations need to be removed. Like it or not, we are a minor league division for the big boys. Rosters are going to be revolving doors. That comes with losses such as tradition, culture and inconsistency. 7-5 needs to be the standard mindset of fans.

1000% correct.
There is no standard any more at our level.
+-.500 if anyone wants to have expectations.

[AppStFan1]

Double digit win is a tall order. No pun intended.

I am not one of those complaining but just feel like those who have complained won't stop until we are Sun Belt East Champions and I do think that would take 10 wins.

We are in a new era of college football where old expectations need to be removed. Like it or not, we are a minor league division for the big boys. Rosters are going to be revolving doors. That comes with losses such as tradition, culture and inconsistency. 7-5 needs to be the standard mindset of fans.

I think you are correct. However, I think there is a large number of fans who simply cannot come to terms with that, myself included. That means that I am much closer to no longer being a fan than to accepting what this has become.

I think that is going to keep happening if we don't see conference title contenders on the field soon. Apathy might not set in for most fans at same time but will gradually. I am personally to the point where I don't worry about wins and losses anymore. If we win then great but if we lose I don't worry about it. I have just been watching our games for entertainment and if it is bad I will leave early or turn it off.

[BambooRdApp]

Makes no sense. We only.plsy 8 SBC games. We could lose every OOC and still be SBC Champs.

Technically you are right but realistically do you think we are good enough to do so if we can't beat at least 2 of our OOC opponents? Also, I believe we would lose at least 1 SBC game and when you add in the conference title game I would think it is likely that we would likely have at least 9, maybe 10, wins to do so.

There is no "technically" about..you only play 8 conference games. You only have to win 1 more than every other team in East. Those are facts.

[AppSt94]

Double digit win is a tall order. No pun intended.

I am not one of those complaining but just feel like those who have complained won't stop until we are Sun Belt East Champions and I do think that would take 10 wins.

We are in a new era of college football where old expectations need to be removed. Like it or not, we are a minor league division for the big boys. Rosters are going to be revolving doors. That comes with losses such as tradition, culture and inconsistency. 7-5 needs to be the standard mindset of fans.

I think you are correct. However, I think there is a large number of fans who simply cannot come to terms with that, myself included. That means that I am much closer to no longer being a fan than to accepting what this has become.

It has definitely affected my interest and passion. It’s becoming more of a choice for my entertainment dollars.

[bcoach]

Double digit win is a tall order. No pun intended.

I am not one of those complaining but just feel like those who have complained won't stop until we are Sun Belt East Champions and I do think that would take 10 wins.

We are in a new era of college football where old expectations need to be removed. Like it or not, we are a minor league division for the big boys. Rosters are going to be revolving doors. That comes with losses such as tradition, culture and inconsistency. 7-5 needs to be the standard mindset of fans.

Sadly I believe that is true. I also believe that will lead to a drop in interest for some portion of the fan base. When tradition and culture are gone you only have wins to carry you.

[appdaze]

Tradition is made by the fans. Culture is made by all involved. Those two aren't mutually exclusive to the players and coaches. If they were, then all those pro teams would have nothing. If we want tradition, then make it ourselves as fans, stop waiting on ADs to tell you what tradition is. If you want culture, then create it amongst the students each year. Get involved with the student groups to organize things for games. Players have always come and gone. They are not the tradition, and they join the existing culture, not solely create it. So now they leave in 1-3 years instead of 2-4.

Here is one. Let's start a tradition of black and gold checkered scarves with the App crest on the end, as the soccer world does. It's a great and easy piece that any fan of any level can pick up and be a part of. Seeing a sea of black and gold scarves in the stands can become a tradition. They can become "rally towels" when needed. It's cool/cold enough to be worn for 80% of our home games.

If you keep waiting on others to make the traditions and culture, then yes, we will fade into oblivion as those "others" are ADs and money movers who are solely looking for wins to either make money from or boost their resume.

If we lose the tradition and culture that is on the fans and students. If we lose the wins, that is on the AD/coaches/players.

[BambooRdApp]

Guys wear scarves on the daily?

[AppStFan1]

Makes no sense. We only.plsy 8 SBC games. We could lose every OOC and still be SBC Champs.

Technically you are right but realistically do you think we are good enough to do so if we can't beat at least 2 of our OOC opponents? Also, I believe we would lose at least 1 SBC game and when you add in the conference title game I would think it is likely that we would likely have at least 9, maybe 10, wins to do so.

There is no "technically" about..you only play 8 conference games. You only have to win 1 more than every other team in East. Those are facts.

Since you are nitpicking on facts you don't have to win 1 more game than every team in the east though. You could have the same amount of wins but get the nod due to a tiebreaker.

What you said guarantees the title game nod but it means we would be perfect in the SBC and winless in OOC play. I just don't see that happening. That would be a rare scenario but you are right that is all that has to happen. I just don't see it happening like that so that is why I said what I said.

Also, would we even keep a head coach for the entire season who can't win a non-conference game? I don't think it should be done but I could see Loggains being fired if we lose to Maine.

[AppStFan1]

Double digit win is a tall order. No pun intended.

I am not one of those complaining but just feel like those who have complained won't stop until we are Sun Belt East Champions and I do think that would take 10 wins.

We are in a new era of college football where old expectations need to be removed. Like it or not, we are a minor league division for the big boys. Rosters are going to be revolving doors. That comes with losses such as tradition, culture and inconsistency. 7-5 needs to be the standard mindset of fans.

I think you are correct. However, I think there is a large number of fans who simply cannot come to terms with that, myself included. That means that I am much closer to no longer being a fan than to accepting what this has become.

It has definitely affected my interest and passion. It’s becoming more of a choice for my entertainment dollars.

I have been that way for 3 years now and I am thinking that is how it probably should be for us now. Players aren't loyal to us and I am not going to be loyal to them.

There is really no excuse for us not to go 6-6 or 7-5 every year in football. It takes good evaluation skills, good S&C program, good recruiting, roster management, and some good in-game coaching. If we somehow have a losing season again I think an autopsy needs to be done in all of those departments and see where we are falling short.

As for basketball, I am wondering what Kerns would put on the court next year if we had took all of our NIL money in football and gave it to him to keep Marcus and Wilson. One thing we know for sure is that Kerns is seeing huge turnover and at least putting a winning team on the floor every year.

[AppSt94]

I am not one of those complaining but just feel like those who have complained won't stop until we are Sun Belt East Champions and I do think that would take 10 wins.

We are in a new era of college football where old expectations need to be removed. Like it or not, we are a minor league division for the big boys. Rosters are going to be revolving doors. That comes with losses such as tradition, culture and inconsistency. 7-5 needs to be the standard mindset of fans.

I think you are correct. However, I think there is a large number of fans who simply cannot come to terms with that, myself included. That means that I am much closer to no longer being a fan than to accepting what this has become.

It has definitely affected my interest and passion. It’s becoming more of a choice for my entertainment dollars.

I have been that way for 3 years now and I am thinking that is how it probably should be for us now. Players aren't loyal to us and I am not going to be loyal to them.

There is really no excuse for us not to go 6-6 or 7-5 every year in football. It takes good evaluation skills, good S&C program, good recruiting, roster management, and some good in-game coaching. If we somehow have a losing season again I think an autopsy needs to be done in all of those departments and see where we are falling short.

As for basketball, I am wondering what Kerns would put on the court next year if we had took all of our NIL money in football and gave it to him to keep Marcus and Wilson. One thing we know for sure is that Kerns is seeing huge turnover and at least putting a winning team on the floor every year.

You can’t bucket baseball and basketball in with football. Basketball requires 8 quality players. Baseball can win with solid starting pitching and solid play up the middle.

Football is a completely separate animal. Too many variables such as the ones you describe above have to be in order. The only one that I would adjust from your list is S&C. While it’s important, you can’t bucket baseball have the best staff in the conference but if the players are willing to put in the work needed what’s the point? My point is that you can’t place the entire blame on the S&C staff if things don’t work. You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t.

[appdaze]

Guys wear scarves on the daily?

At what point did I say on the daily? This is referring to games. Good grief, no wonder we can't hold traditions. If "fans" don't have a certain level of reading comprehension, imagination, motivation, and caring, then yes, the mentality you have displayed will continue to send us down a negative path. People may start mistaking us for Tarheels at this rate.

[BambooRdApp]

Guys wear scarves on the daily?

At what point did I say on the daily? This is referring to games. Good grief, no wonder we can't hold traditions. If "fans" don't have a certain level of reading comprehension, imagination, motivation, and caring, then yes, the mentality you have displayed will continue to send us down a negative path. People may start mistaking us for Tarheels at this rate.

Dude. It was a joke. Maybe take off your scarf, bend down and take your panties out of your crotch..

And, yes, I agree.. if we start showing up in full force with scarves, we will be call Junior Holes fans

[BambooRdApp]

Makes no sense. We only.plsy 8 SBC games. We could lose every OOC and still be SBC Champs.

Technically you are right but realistically do you think we are good enough to do so if we can't beat at least 2 of our OOC opponents? Also, I believe we would lose at least 1 SBC game and when you add in the conference title game I would think it is likely that we would likely have at least 9, maybe 10, wins to do so.

There is no "technically" about..you only play 8 conference games. You only have to win 1 more than every other team in East. Those are facts.

Since you are nitpicking on facts you don't have to win 1 more game than every team in the east though. You could have the same amount of wins but get the nod due to a tiebreaker.

What you said guarantees the title game nod but it means we would be perfect in the SBC and winless in OOC play. I just don't see that happening. That would be a rare scenario but you are right that is all that has to happen. I just don't see it happening like that so that is why I said what I said.

Also, would we even keep a head coach for the entire season who can't win a non-conference game? I don't think it should be done but I could see Loggains being fired if we lose to Maine.

Wrong again. We do not have to win every conference game to be East side winners to get to the conference Championship game. How many teams have gone undefeated in conference abd won their side of the division?..since App joined the conference

[AppStFan1]

We are in a new era of college football where old expectations need to be removed. Like it or not, we are a minor league division for the big boys. Rosters are going to be revolving doors. That comes with losses such as tradition, culture and inconsistency. 7-5 needs to be the standard mindset of fans.

I think you are correct. However, I think there is a large number of fans who simply cannot come to terms with that, myself included. That means that I am much closer to no longer being a fan than to accepting what this has become.

It has definitely affected my interest and passion. It’s becoming more of a choice for my entertainment dollars.

I have been that way for 3 years now and I am thinking that is how it probably should be for us now. Players aren't loyal to us and I am not going to be loyal to them.

There is really no excuse for us not to go 6-6 or 7-5 every year in football. It takes good evaluation skills, good S&C program, good recruiting, roster management, and some good in-game coaching. If we somehow have a losing season again I think an autopsy needs to be done in all of those departments and see where we are falling short.

As for basketball, I am wondering what Kerns would put on the court next year if we had took all of our NIL money in football and gave it to him to keep Marcus and Wilson. One thing we know for sure is that Kerns is seeing huge turnover and at least putting a winning team on the floor every year.

You can’t bucket baseball and basketball in with football. Basketball requires 8 quality players. Baseball can win with solid starting pitching and solid play up the middle.

Football is a completely separate animal. Too many variables such as the ones you describe above have to be in order. The only one that I would adjust from your list is S&C. While it’s important, you can’t bucket baseball have the best staff in the conference but if the players are willing to put in the work needed what’s the point? My point is that you can’t place the entire blame on the S&C staff if things don’t work. You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t.

It is different because it takes many more players but the point is if you do those things you should at least contend. I agree with you that we can't expect 10 wins every year but we have more resources, better tradition, etc than most Sun Belt schools so we should be able to contend in this league. If we are missing a bowl game 2 out of 3 years or 6-6 becomes normal then it would tell me we have the wrong coaches and support staff. I would not place blame on one group if things don't work out. I would say it has to be a combo of things.

[AppStFan1]

Makes no sense. We only.plsy 8 SBC games. We could lose every OOC and still be SBC Champs.

Technically you are right but realistically do you think we are good enough to do so if we can't beat at least 2 of our OOC opponents? Also, I believe we would lose at least 1 SBC game and when you add in the conference title game I would think it is likely that we would likely have at least 9, maybe 10, wins to do so.

There is no "technically" about..you only play 8 conference games. You only have to win 1 more than every other team in East. Those are facts.

Since you are nitpicking on facts you don't have to win 1 more game than every team in the east though. You could have the same amount of wins but get the nod due to a tiebreaker.

What you said guarantees the title game nod but it means we would be perfect in the SBC and winless in OOC play. I just don't see that happening. That would be a rare scenario but you are right that is all that has to happen. I just don't see it happening like that so that is why I said what I said.

Also, would we even keep a head coach for the entire season who can't win a non-conference game? I don't think it should be done but I could see Loggains being fired if we lose to Maine.

Wrong again. We do not have to win every conference game to be East side winners to get to the conference Championship game. How many teams have gone undefeated in conference abd won their side of the division?..since App joined the conference

I did not say we have to win 8 conference games to win the league but my point is that I don't see us winning the SBC if we can't win some OOC games. Do you think we could be good enough to win the SBC and go winless in OOC play? Such as lose our FCS game?

[BambooRdApp]

Technically you are right but realistically do you think we are good enough to do so if we can't beat at least 2 of our OOC opponents? Also, I believe we would lose at least 1 SBC game and when you add in the conference title game I would think it is likely that we would likely have at least 9, maybe 10, wins to do so.

There is no "technically" about..you only play 8 conference games. You only have to win 1 more than every other team in East. Those are facts.

Since you are nitpicking on facts you don't have to win 1 more game than every team in the east though. You could have the same amount of wins but get the nod due to a tiebreaker.

What you said guarantees the title game nod but it means we would be perfect in the SBC and winless in OOC play. I just don't see that happening. That would be a rare scenario but you are right that is all that has to happen. I just don't see it happening like that so that is why I said what I said.

Also, would we even keep a head coach for the entire season who can't win a non-conference game? I don't think it should be done but I could see Loggains being fired if we lose to Maine.

Wrong again. We do not have to win every conference game to be East side winners to get to the conference Championship game. How many teams have gone undefeated in conference abd won their side of the division?..since App joined the conference

I did not say we have to win 8 conference games to win the league but my point is that I don't see us winning the SBC if we can't win some OOC games. Do you think we could be good enough to win the SBC and go winless in OOC play? Such as lose our FCS game?

You said that I said the following...
"That you said guarantees the title game nod" and then you added.."but it means we would be perfect in the SBC" ..you did say we would have to be perfect in SBC..so, wrong again