Roster/Staff Updates

[AppStFan1]

And if he does not and we miss a bowl game then he will be out at the end of the year if what I'm hearing from people connected to BOT and Gillin is true. It is all on him and I'm sure he knows it. It will be interesting to see what he does and what the results will be.

I assume then the $1,350,000 buyout at the end of this year is not an issue.

It is my understanding that the money to payout the contract has been secured if needed. And if that isn’t a telling sign about the program under DLo then I don’t know what to tell them.

I would normally agree but that is no guarantee. The same thing happened with Clark a year before we let him go and many others, you included, were still defending that you did not think we would let him go. Even when I told you the day before it was official that I was hearing he was gone you still did not think it would happen. Not trashing on you but you never know. Loggains obviously knows this and these are the moves he is making. We just have to wait and see. I have never fully said my opinion on him other than I am being open minded and giving him a chance. I feel like those who were against or for him right off the bat without letting things play out usually just want to be able to say "I told you so". I gave Clark 4 years before I said for certain we need to move on and I feel like I would be unfair to not give Loggains at least 2 years, preferably 3 years, before making that determination. This is definitely a "prove it" year for Loggains after the failure to improve the record though.

I’m not interested in being right nor am I interested in saying I told you so if I’m right. I’ve provided my rationale for my opinion. I’ve been around long enough and interviewed enough people to identify character. His body language and sound bites were concerning from the get go. I’ve talked to enough people with different insights to the program that it’s pretty evident that he is not fostering a culture for success. As much as folks want to believe, these decisions aren’t made solely on records. Clark wasn’t fired for his on field performance and DLo’s fate won’t be sealed by the same. There are way more factors to these decisions that occur between Sunday and Friday than people realize. Like I said, if the money has been secured, that tells you all you need to know the mood on Jack Branch.

I am not saying what you are hearing or seeing is wrong but just take notice that for some around our program they have an agenda to put up down and hope he fails because he has not been the butt kisser that some want. It also does not mean they are wrong but just something to keep in mind. I take it with a grain of salt for now.

I think most know your point about records. If record is good enough it can overcome anything outside of a major legal issue though. For example, the record was final straw with James Franklin but those couple of early losses were not the reason they wanted him gone. They had many others reasons but that was just the first chance they had with struggles on the field and used it as an excuse.

There was money committed to get rid of Clark in 2023 and they were ready to make a change if he had a couple more losses. I don't know either way if money is in hand or committed but I would not be shocked if some booster who never wanted him and does not like that they are not getting their butt kiss has committed it.

I will say that if we do make a change I think we need to go for a D2 or FCS head coach who has shown they can find under the radar talent and know how to win and manage the portal and HS recruiting well instead of another P4 coordinator.

[ASUFan4863]

It’s just a ridiculous lie that the buyout money has been “raised”. Someone making a statement that the money can be raised vs is raised is completely different. Money can be raised for anything. The money was allegedly raised in 2023 to fire clark and hire satterfield which has been well documented.

[Stonewall]

One source laughed when I asked about the “buyout money being secured rumor” . He said everyone wants DLo to succeed and is expecting big steps forward this season and the next. Knowing this guy , if expectations aren’t realized in that time period, he will be part of making a change.

[AppStFan1]

One source laughed when I asked about the “buyout money being secured rumor” . He said everyone wants DLo to succeed and is expecting big steps forward this season and the next. Knowing this guy , if expectations aren’t realized in that time period, he will be part of making a change.

I do think we have a couple folks who are unhappy because he does not socialize like some want but I would hope everyone in the football offices wants Loggains to win or else they could be out of a job. There are definitely a lot of agendas going on.

[Saint3333]

But I’m special and important why doesn’t he want to be my friend.

[AppWyo]

But I’m special and important why doesn’t he want to be my friend.

Dowell Loggains has been an NFL coach for a very long time; he knows that being an NFL coach is a temporary job. Maybe he does not want to get attached to anyone because he knows how hard breakups can be. Sort of like rich people have a hard time making true friends because most are just interested in being your friend because of who you know and the toys you have. Maybe he just wants true relationships, not superficial relationships.

He may have been hurt by those relationships in the past...

[AppStFan1]

But I’m special and important why doesn’t he want to be my friend.

Dowell Loggains has been an NFL coach for a very long time; he knows that being an NFL coach is a temporary job. Maybe he does not want to get attached to anyone because he knows how hard breakups can be. Sort of like rich people have a hard time making true friends because most are just interested in being your friend because of who you know and the toys you have. Maybe he just wants true relationships, not superficial relationships.

He may have been hurt by those relationships in the past...

I have thought it could be a mix of things and that is one of them for sure. He has not been forced to get friendly with friends and has focused on relationships with players and coaches because that is what he is use to. It does not bother me at all.

[AppStFan1]

But I’m special and important why doesn’t he want to be my friend.

That is absolutely the case with some on this. I have heard it from a couple people and I firmly believe that some of those who AppSt94 is talking to are in that camp. They will never say it but it is very apparent when hearing some people talk.

[Saint3333]

But I’m special and important why doesn’t he want to be my friend.

Dowell Loggains has been an NFL coach for a very long time; he knows that being an NFL coach is a temporary job. Maybe he does not want to get attached to anyone because he knows how hard breakups can be. Sort of like rich people have a hard time making true friends because most are just interested in being your friend because of who you know and the toys you have. Maybe he just wants true relationships, not superficial relationships.

He may have been hurt by those relationships in the past...

Your sarcasm meter is broken.

[AppSt94]

I assume then the $1,350,000 buyout at the end of this year is not an issue.

It is my understanding that the money to payout the contract has been secured if needed. And if that isn’t a telling sign about the program under DLo then I don’t know what to tell them.

I would normally agree but that is no guarantee. The same thing happened with Clark a year before we let him go and many others, you included, were still defending that you did not think we would let him go. Even when I told you the day before it was official that I was hearing he was gone you still did not think it would happen. Not trashing on you but you never know. Loggains obviously knows this and these are the moves he is making. We just have to wait and see. I have never fully said my opinion on him other than I am being open minded and giving him a chance. I feel like those who were against or for him right off the bat without letting things play out usually just want to be able to say "I told you so". I gave Clark 4 years before I said for certain we need to move on and I feel like I would be unfair to not give Loggains at least 2 years, preferably 3 years, before making that determination. This is definitely a "prove it" year for Loggains after the failure to improve the record though.

I’m not interested in being right nor am I interested in saying I told you so if I’m right. I’ve provided my rationale for my opinion. I’ve been around long enough and interviewed enough people to identify character. His body language and sound bites were concerning from the get go. I’ve talked to enough people with different insights to the program that it’s pretty evident that he is not fostering a culture for success. As much as folks want to believe, these decisions aren’t made solely on records. Clark wasn’t fired for his on field performance and DLo’s fate won’t be sealed by the same. There are way more factors to these decisions that occur between Sunday and Friday than people realize. Like I said, if the money has been secured, that tells you all you need to know the mood on Jack Branch.

I am not saying what you are hearing or seeing is wrong but just take notice that for some around our program they have an agenda to put up down and hope he fails because he has not been the butt kisser that some want. It also does not mean they are wrong but just something to keep in mind. I take it with a grain of salt for now.

I think most know your point about records. If record is good enough it can overcome anything outside of a major legal issue though. For example, the record was final straw with James Franklin but those couple of early losses were not the reason they wanted him gone. They had many others reasons but that was just the first chance they had with struggles on the field and used it as an excuse.

There was money committed to get rid of Clark in 2023 and they were ready to make a change if he had a couple more losses. I don't know either way if money is in hand or committed but I would not be shocked if some booster who never wanted him and does not like that they are not getting their butt kiss has committed it.

I will say that if we do make a change I think we need to go for a D2 or FCS head coach who has shown they can find under the radar talent and know how to win and manage the portal and HS recruiting well instead of another P4 coordinator.

Everyone has a point of view for why they feel the way they do. To insinuate that he isn’t liked because he isn’t a butt kisser is a lazy excuse. No one that I have spoken with has mentioned that as being a reason. I think that’s just what some people, not speaking to you directly, want to think because it just takes such little mental effort.

To your point about money being raised in 2023, yes that is true. Sheri spent almost a year beating donors down trying to raise money to pay Shawn off and they were finally ready to do it and then we beat JMU. Then the donor changed his mind.

I’m done with this conversation. I’ve explained why I feel like he is a bad hire and I hope that he proves me wrong. Either way, I’m not the one putting up the money to make a change so it is what it is.

[Saint3333]

So Clark was released due to the record on the field.

[ASUFan4863]

So Clark was released due to the record on the field.

He contradicts himself on a daily basis. People tell 94 things because they know he will run his mouth about it. Unfortunately, He’s told so many lies that he just can’t keep things straight.

[AppStFan1]

96 years of NFL experience got us a 5-8 record. Let’s upgrade with a career analyst and make him the OC. That tracks.

Bill won 6 Super Bowls and he couldn’t even make a bowl game at UNC in 1 year. Saban is the goat of CFB and he couldn’t cut it in pros in a short amount of time. I think people with NFL backgrounds need some time to adjust. I really believe they need 2-3 years before your can really judge them. Honestly, Loggains just needs to make a bowl game and get a third season. That is when I think we will know but should get an idea this year. We say players need time to adjust but we don’t think coaches do? Coaching in D2 is not the same as the SEC and coaching in the NFL is not the same as college. We need to give these people time. Could Cignetti win big in NFL? I bet he would need time as well.

[AppStFan1]

It is my understanding that the money to payout the contract has been secured if needed. And if that isn’t a telling sign about the program under DLo then I don’t know what to tell them.

I would normally agree but that is no guarantee. The same thing happened with Clark a year before we let him go and many others, you included, were still defending that you did not think we would let him go. Even when I told you the day before it was official that I was hearing he was gone you still did not think it would happen. Not trashing on you but you never know. Loggains obviously knows this and these are the moves he is making. We just have to wait and see. I have never fully said my opinion on him other than I am being open minded and giving him a chance. I feel like those who were against or for him right off the bat without letting things play out usually just want to be able to say "I told you so". I gave Clark 4 years before I said for certain we need to move on and I feel like I would be unfair to not give Loggains at least 2 years, preferably 3 years, before making that determination. This is definitely a "prove it" year for Loggains after the failure to improve the record though.

I’m not interested in being right nor am I interested in saying I told you so if I’m right. I’ve provided my rationale for my opinion. I’ve been around long enough and interviewed enough people to identify character. His body language and sound bites were concerning from the get go. I’ve talked to enough people with different insights to the program that it’s pretty evident that he is not fostering a culture for success. As much as folks want to believe, these decisions aren’t made solely on records. Clark wasn’t fired for his on field performance and DLo’s fate won’t be sealed by the same. There are way more factors to these decisions that occur between Sunday and Friday than people realize. Like I said, if the money has been secured, that tells you all you need to know the mood on Jack Branch.

I am not saying what you are hearing or seeing is wrong but just take notice that for some around our program they have an agenda to put up down and hope he fails because he has not been the butt kisser that some want. It also does not mean they are wrong but just something to keep in mind. I take it with a grain of salt for now.

I think most know your point about records. If record is good enough it can overcome anything outside of a major legal issue though. For example, the record was final straw with James Franklin but those couple of early losses were not the reason they wanted him gone. They had many others reasons but that was just the first chance they had with struggles on the field and used it as an excuse.

There was money committed to get rid of Clark in 2023 and they were ready to make a change if he had a couple more losses. I don't know either way if money is in hand or committed but I would not be shocked if some booster who never wanted him and does not like that they are not getting their butt kiss has committed it.

I will say that if we do make a change I think we need to go for a D2 or FCS head coach who has shown they can find under the radar talent and know how to win and manage the portal and HS recruiting well instead of another P4 coordinator.

Everyone has a point of view for why they feel the way they do. To insinuate that he isn’t liked because he isn’t a butt kisser is a lazy excuse. No one that I have spoken with has mentioned that as being a reason. I think that’s just what some people, not speaking to you directly, want to think because it just takes such little mental effort.

To your point about money being raised in 2023, yes that is true. Sheri spent almost a year beating donors down trying to raise money to pay Shawn off and they were finally ready to do it and then we beat JMU. Then the donor changed his mind.

I’m done with this conversation. I’ve explained why I feel like he is a bad hire and I hope that he proves me wrong. Either way, I’m not the one putting up the money to make a change so it is what it is.

I have heard several people complain that he isn’t social and playing politics. That’s code for butt kissing.

You are just basing your opinion off too small of a sample size. Bill and Saban struggled in limited time, like I mentioned before. I don’t think Bill is what people say he is but I do think he needs 3 years and I feel like Loggains does too. You might be right but you are calling way too early to be considered giving a fair shot.

Like you, I’m not paying the money so your opinion and mine don’t really matter on it. Those who got the deep pockets matter.

[bcoach]

96 years of NFL experience got us a 5-8 record. Let’s upgrade with a career analyst and make him the OC. That tracks.

Bill won 6 Super Bowls and he couldn’t even make a bowl game at UNC in 1 year. Saban is the goat of CFB and he couldn’t cut it in pros in a short amount of time. I think people with NFL backgrounds need some time to adjust. I really believe they need 2-3 years before your can really judge them. Honestly, Loggains just needs to make a bowl game and get a third season. That is when I think we will know but should get an idea this year. We say players need time to adjust but we don’t think coaches do? Coaching in D2 is not the same as the SEC and coaching in the NFL is not the same as college. We need to give these people time. Could Cignetti win big in NFL? I bet he would need time as well.

I think maybe the main point here was we still have not hired an OC. We hired a title holder to cover the real intent. I could be wrong but I think that was his point.

[Stonewall]

I like D Lo. I’ve been around him and frankly think he’s a bit of an introvert. Nothing wrong with that but makes the salesmanship difficult.

[AppSt94]

I like D Lo. I’ve been around him and frankly think he’s a bit of an introvert. Nothing wrong with that but makes the salesmanship difficult.

I’ve spoken with him as well in one off situations. I would agree with your assessment.

[mike87]

I don't know him, have spoken to him only just a hello and I certainly don't expect him to remember me. I don't know Jack sht about coaching football, but I do like to win.

My concern with Dlo is that the head football coach should be the ambassador for the program. There's a lot of PR that comes with the job that he's just not doing. Watch him on mountaineer talk, he's looking at the TV in the top left corner while he's talking. Can you look at the camera and take control of the interview? On the sideline he doesn't appear interested in the game. I know he is and I know he's coaching but play the part. Same with the post-game interviews. Make the press love you.
Maybe he's got the X's and O's and he appears to have recruited well. If he doesn't get the PR role though, he won't make it. He needs a little Mac Brown, IMO

[Saint3333]

At App State that doesn't matter as much, if you run a clean program, respect the tradition built here, and win the PR stuff won't matter to people that can cash checks.

[BambooRdApp]

I don't know him, have spoken to him only just a hello and I certainly don't expect him to remember me. I don't know Jack sht about coaching football, but I do like to win.

My concern with Dlo is that the head football coach should be the ambassador for the program. There's a lot of PR that comes with the job that he's just not doing. Watch him on mountaineer talk, he's looking at the TV in the top left corner while he's talking. Can you look at the camera and take control of the interview? On the sideline he doesn't appear interested in the game. I know he is and I know he's coaching but play the part. Same with the post-game interviews. Make the press love you.
Maybe he's got the X's and O's and he appears to have recruited well. If he doesn't get the PR role though, he won't make it. He needs a little Mac Brown, IMO

Bingo. Well said.
On the FB feed of the weekly show, I'ma like..what the hell is he looking at..is it a bird, is it a plane... what is it!!