Howard and Judkins were transfers. I agree they do recruit well, usually just can’t get over the hump but some of those transfers helped.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:04 amThey spent their money wisely. 10 of the 11 starters were homegrown with Caleb Downs the only portal acquisition from Alabama. They spent their money largely on retention of current players. Obviously that’s not going to happen at App but it’s the right model if you want consistency.
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Yes, agree to certain extent...but we seemed to have the same schools periodically in the final four. Bana, Gawgia, LSU, Ohio State....then periodically ND, Kansas st, some others.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:00 pmI agree with your examples. I’ll be interested moving forward to see if any schools like the ones you mentioned can make the title game, much less win it. There is still a huge chasm between those schools and the usual suspects with endless money.MrCraig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:36 am100% this. Look at the final top 25 of the season. SMU, Arizona State, Colorado, Ole Miss, Indiana, Illinois, UNLV are all teams that have been pretty terrible the last 10-20 years but have risen to prominence thanks to NIL and the transfer portal.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 7:46 amNot sure one game is a testament to parity of CFB this season. It seems that we had quite a bit of parity during the regular season. I did not see one team that was overly dominant all year. OSU lost to Michigan during the regular season. Something clicked for them after that loss.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:01 amBoy that’s not true at all. Ohio state more than proved that tonightkornegaylw wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 4:47 pm
EXACTLY!!!! The transfer portal has created more pairity across CFB than ever. The best players go to where the best money is, the good players go to where they can play and the bad players washout.
I do think the next evoloution is contract terms/limits...This will alow for programs to "build" via grass roots as before but also give the freedom we have now. Likely 2 year contracts for incoming freshman where they are compenstated based on playing time. Once the 2 years is up players/schools can resign or hit the portal. JRs & SRs get 1 year deals with compensation based on playing time. I also see a cap on free transfers and a term limit on eligiblity but I'm not sure how the leagality of that will work.
However, it seemed the mainstays are always there in some form or fashion.
Not sure how it will play out in the future. One would think money would win. So, now Texas gets is in the group with OSU, etc. Maybe lsu falls out of no deep pockets. So, long term maybe it will play out. But the idea of having the next SMU, boise st, or whomever... getting a chance in the playoffs ..is pretty cool in my book .even if they lose. With old sue system, no g5 team is getting in period unless they beat a good P5 team (Cincy over ND). Although I believe the group team should have to play a difficult nonconference schedule to be considered, at least we getting a shot. Before, very rarely.
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I was referencing the defense and my point being that they spent their money in retention and not buying a roster.311neers wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:36 pmHoward and Judkins were transfers. I agree they do recruit well, usually just can’t get over the hump but some of those transfers helped.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:04 amThey spent their money wisely. 10 of the 11 starters were homegrown with Caleb Downs the only portal acquisition from Alabama. They spent their money largely on retention of current players. Obviously that’s not going to happen at App but it’s the right model if you want consistency.
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Yeah it’s always gonna be the same 5 schools in the playoffs. And let’s be honest, they smu’s and Indiana’s while fun stories were kicked around in the playoff. I love having 12 teams, but I feel like at the end of the day unexpected teams will have great regular seasons then get crushed in the playoffs by the usual cast of characters. I don’t know how anyone can fix schools just out spending other schoolsBambooRdApp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:44 pmYes, agree to certain extent...but we seemed to have the same schools periodically in the final four. Bana, Gawgia, LSU, Ohio State....then periodically ND, Kansas st, some others.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:00 pmI agree with your examples. I’ll be interested moving forward to see if any schools like the ones you mentioned can make the title game, much less win it. There is still a huge chasm between those schools and the usual suspects with endless money.MrCraig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:36 am100% this. Look at the final top 25 of the season. SMU, Arizona State, Colorado, Ole Miss, Indiana, Illinois, UNLV are all teams that have been pretty terrible the last 10-20 years but have risen to prominence thanks to NIL and the transfer portal.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 7:46 amNot sure one game is a testament to parity of CFB this season. It seems that we had quite a bit of parity during the regular season. I did not see one team that was overly dominant all year. OSU lost to Michigan during the regular season. Something clicked for them after that loss.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:01 am
Boy that’s not true at all. Ohio state more than proved that tonight
However, it seemed the mainstays are always there in some form or fashion.
Not sure how it will play out in the future. One would think money would win. So, now Texas gets is in the group with OSU, etc. Maybe lsu falls out of no deep pockets. So, long term maybe it will play out. But the idea of having the next SMU, boise st, or whomever... getting a chance in the playoffs ..is pretty cool in my book .even if they lose. With old sue system, no g5 team is getting in period unless they beat a good P5 team (Cincy over ND). Although I believe the group team should have to play a difficult nonconference schedule to be considered, at least we getting a shot. Before, very rarely.
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Agreed. Need salary cap or some other structure in place. Now, wild, wild WestSeattleapp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:51 pmYeah it’s always gonna be the same 5 schools in the playoffs. And let’s be honest, they smu’s and Indiana’s while fun stories were kicked around in the playoff. I love having 12 teams, but I feel like at the end of the day unexpected teams will have great regular seasons then get crushed in the playoffs by the usual cast of characters. I don’t know how anyone can fix schools just out spending other schoolsBambooRdApp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:44 pmYes, agree to certain extent...but we seemed to have the same schools periodically in the final four. Bana, Gawgia, LSU, Ohio State....then periodically ND, Kansas st, some others.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:00 pmI agree with your examples. I’ll be interested moving forward to see if any schools like the ones you mentioned can make the title game, much less win it. There is still a huge chasm between those schools and the usual suspects with endless money.MrCraig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:36 am100% this. Look at the final top 25 of the season. SMU, Arizona State, Colorado, Ole Miss, Indiana, Illinois, UNLV are all teams that have been pretty terrible the last 10-20 years but have risen to prominence thanks to NIL and the transfer portal.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 7:46 am
Not sure one game is a testament to parity of CFB this season. It seems that we had quite a bit of parity during the regular season. I did not see one team that was overly dominant all year. OSU lost to Michigan during the regular season. Something clicked for them after that loss.
However, it seemed the mainstays are always there in some form or fashion.
Not sure how it will play out in the future. One would think money would win. So, now Texas gets is in the group with OSU, etc. Maybe lsu falls out of no deep pockets. So, long term maybe it will play out. But the idea of having the next SMU, boise st, or whomever... getting a chance in the playoffs ..is pretty cool in my book .even if they lose. With old sue system, no g5 team is getting in period unless they beat a good P5 team (Cincy over ND). Although I believe the group team should have to play a difficult nonconference schedule to be considered, at least we getting a shot. Before, very rarely.
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Hopefully Title IX levels some of the field.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:53 pmAgreed. Need salary cap or some other structure in place. Now, wild, wild WestSeattleapp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:51 pmYeah it’s always gonna be the same 5 schools in the playoffs. And let’s be honest, they smu’s and Indiana’s while fun stories were kicked around in the playoff. I love having 12 teams, but I feel like at the end of the day unexpected teams will have great regular seasons then get crushed in the playoffs by the usual cast of characters. I don’t know how anyone can fix schools just out spending other schoolsBambooRdApp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:44 pmYes, agree to certain extent...but we seemed to have the same schools periodically in the final four. Bana, Gawgia, LSU, Ohio State....then periodically ND, Kansas st, some others.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:00 pmI agree with your examples. I’ll be interested moving forward to see if any schools like the ones you mentioned can make the title game, much less win it. There is still a huge chasm between those schools and the usual suspects with endless money.
However, it seemed the mainstays are always there in some form or fashion.
Not sure how it will play out in the future. One would think money would win. So, now Texas gets is in the group with OSU, etc. Maybe lsu falls out of no deep pockets. So, long term maybe it will play out. But the idea of having the next SMU, boise st, or whomever... getting a chance in the playoffs ..is pretty cool in my book .even if they lose. With old sue system, no g5 team is getting in period unless they beat a good P5 team (Cincy over ND). Although I believe the group team should have to play a difficult nonconference schedule to be considered, at least we getting a shot. Before, very rarely.
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Why do they need a salary cap? The more they spend on a few players the less they have to spend on everyone else.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:53 pmAgreed. Need salary cap or some other structure in place. Now, wild, wild WestSeattleapp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:51 pmYeah it’s always gonna be the same 5 schools in the playoffs. And let’s be honest, they smu’s and Indiana’s while fun stories were kicked around in the playoff. I love having 12 teams, but I feel like at the end of the day unexpected teams will have great regular seasons then get crushed in the playoffs by the usual cast of characters. I don’t know how anyone can fix schools just out spending other schoolsBambooRdApp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:44 pmYes, agree to certain extent...but we seemed to have the same schools periodically in the final four. Bana, Gawgia, LSU, Ohio State....then periodically ND, Kansas st, some others.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:00 pmI agree with your examples. I’ll be interested moving forward to see if any schools like the ones you mentioned can make the title game, much less win it. There is still a huge chasm between those schools and the usual suspects with endless money.
However, it seemed the mainstays are always there in some form or fashion.
Not sure how it will play out in the future. One would think money would win. So, now Texas gets is in the group with OSU, etc. Maybe lsu falls out of no deep pockets. So, long term maybe it will play out. But the idea of having the next SMU, boise st, or whomever... getting a chance in the playoffs ..is pretty cool in my book .even if they lose. With old sue system, no g5 team is getting in period unless they beat a good P5 team (Cincy over ND). Although I believe the group team should have to play a difficult nonconference schedule to be considered, at least we getting a shot. Before, very rarely.
SMU and Indiana were not kicked around as much as some of the schools that made the playoffs were.
Schools like Notre Dame and SMU have unlimited budgets.
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I wish the g5 would start a NIT with a bye for the g5 CFP rep in the first two rounds. 20 team NIT 8 play the first two weekends. Conference champions get bye to the second weekend. If CFP rep gets beat in first round they move into the NIT. I would like playoff football again at App.
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spacemonkey wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:23 pmI wish the g5 would start a NIT with a bye for the g5 CFP rep in the first two rounds. 20 team NIT 8 play the first two weekends. Conference champions get bye to the second weekend. If CFP rep gets beat in first round they move into the NIT. I would like playoff football again at App.
Something like this. This should be NIT for all FBS teams that want to participate. Higher seed hosts like FCS
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This would essentially put 5 FBS conferences back to FCS obscurity. It may be on the horizon but I am in no hurry to get there. Once there is a shift away from the power conferences, the rest will just become relative unknowns again. I am not saying that the fans can't still enjoy the product, lord knows most of us enjoyed 1-AA/FCS, I am saying that all the coverage that we have become accustomed to will disappear rather quickly. There will be little to no interest in a G5 playoff outside of the fan bases, just like FCS, DII, DII, etc.spacemonkey wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:23 pmI wish the g5 would start a NIT with a bye for the g5 CFP rep in the first two rounds. 20 team NIT 8 play the first two weekends. Conference champions get bye to the second weekend. If CFP rep gets beat in first round they move into the NIT. I would like playoff football again at App.
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This is the honest truth...t4pizza wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:50 pmThis would essentially put 5 FBS conferences back to FCS obscurity. It may be on the horizon but I am in no hurry to get there. Once there is a shift away from the power conferences, the rest will just become relative unknowns again. I am not saying that the fans can't still enjoy the product, lord knows most of us enjoyed 1-AA/FCS, I am saying that all the coverage that we have become accustomed to will disappear rather quickly. There will be little to no interest in a G5 playoff outside of the fan bases, just like FCS, DII, DII, etc.spacemonkey wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:23 pmI wish the g5 would start a NIT with a bye for the g5 CFP rep in the first two rounds. 20 team NIT 8 play the first two weekends. Conference champions get bye to the second weekend. If CFP rep gets beat in first round they move into the NIT. I would like playoff football again at App.
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But this is how it is in pretty much every sport. Look at March Madness. Every year it's Duke, Kansas, Carolina, Michigan State, UConn, Kentucky dominating and usually filling out the Elite Eight/Final Four. A lot of those teams have blow out wins in the first couple rounds. But we watch for the upsets in the early rounds, and every few years there's a legit Cinderella who comes along and really makes some noise. That will happen in football too as long as the SEC/Big 10 don't make it so 8 of the 12 teams are from their conference and lock out everyone else.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:51 pmYeah it’s always gonna be the same 5 schools in the playoffs. And let’s be honest, they smu’s and Indiana’s while fun stories were kicked around in the playoff. I love having 12 teams, but I feel like at the end of the day unexpected teams will have great regular seasons then get crushed in the playoffs by the usual cast of characters. I don’t know how anyone can fix schools just out spending other schoolsBambooRdApp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:44 pmYes, agree to certain extent...but we seemed to have the same schools periodically in the final four. Bana, Gawgia, LSU, Ohio State....then periodically ND, Kansas st, some others.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:00 pmI agree with your examples. I’ll be interested moving forward to see if any schools like the ones you mentioned can make the title game, much less win it. There is still a huge chasm between those schools and the usual suspects with endless money.MrCraig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:36 am100% this. Look at the final top 25 of the season. SMU, Arizona State, Colorado, Ole Miss, Indiana, Illinois, UNLV are all teams that have been pretty terrible the last 10-20 years but have risen to prominence thanks to NIL and the transfer portal.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 7:46 am
Not sure one game is a testament to parity of CFB this season. It seems that we had quite a bit of parity during the regular season. I did not see one team that was overly dominant all year. OSU lost to Michigan during the regular season. Something clicked for them after that loss.
However, it seemed the mainstays are always there in some form or fashion.
Not sure how it will play out in the future. One would think money would win. So, now Texas gets is in the group with OSU, etc. Maybe lsu falls out of no deep pockets. So, long term maybe it will play out. But the idea of having the next SMU, boise st, or whomever... getting a chance in the playoffs ..is pretty cool in my book .even if they lose. With old sue system, no g5 team is getting in period unless they beat a good P5 team (Cincy over ND). Although I believe the group team should have to play a difficult nonconference schedule to be considered, at least we getting a shot. Before, very rarely.
Shoot. Look at this year's NFL playoffs. Most of the first two rounds were blowouts, and we've had the same few teams (Buffalo, KC, Baltimore, LA Rams) in the conference championships for the last 5 years.
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No, the NIT would be for any fbs team that wanted to participate. Alright, just so you boys don't get your panties in a wad, we can make it an automatic bid for every conference champion that did not make the CFP get an automatic bid. I will leave out the G5 moniker. The G5 leagues need to make it part of the CFP agreement that all the other teams will participate in the NIT tournament and all proceeds of the NIT tournament are divided equally by the teams playing in the NIT.t4pizza wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:50 pmThis would essentially put 5 FBS conferences back to FCS obscurity. It may be on the horizon but I am in no hurry to get there. Once there is a shift away from the power conferences, the rest will just become relative unknowns again. I am not saying that the fans can't still enjoy the product, lord knows most of us enjoyed 1-AA/FCS, I am saying that all the coverage that we have become accustomed to will disappear rather quickly. There will be little to no interest in a G5 playoff outside of the fan bases, just like FCS, DII, DII, etc.spacemonkey wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:23 pmI wish the g5 would start a NIT with a bye for the g5 CFP rep in the first two rounds. 20 team NIT 8 play the first two weekends. Conference champions get bye to the second weekend. If CFP rep gets beat in first round they move into the NIT. I would like playoff football again at App.
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I really don’t think I would mind going to G5 playoff but I gotta ask, how many people watch the NIT? Now my G5 playoff would be for the G5 only and would not allow the top G5 to be in the CFP.spacemonkey wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:29 pmNo, the NIT would be for any fbs team that wanted to participate. Alright, just so you boys don't get your panties in a wad, we can make it an automatic bid for every conference champion that did not make the CFP get an automatic bid. I will leave out the G5 moniker. The G5 leagues need to make it part of the CFP agreement that all the other teams will participate in the NIT tournament and all proceeds of the NIT tournament are divided equally by the teams playing in the NIT.t4pizza wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:50 pmThis would essentially put 5 FBS conferences back to FCS obscurity. It may be on the horizon but I am in no hurry to get there. Once there is a shift away from the power conferences, the rest will just become relative unknowns again. I am not saying that the fans can't still enjoy the product, lord knows most of us enjoyed 1-AA/FCS, I am saying that all the coverage that we have become accustomed to will disappear rather quickly. There will be little to no interest in a G5 playoff outside of the fan bases, just like FCS, DII, DII, etc.spacemonkey wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:23 pmI wish the g5 would start a NIT with a bye for the g5 CFP rep in the first two rounds. 20 team NIT 8 play the first two weekends. Conference champions get bye to the second weekend. If CFP rep gets beat in first round they move into the NIT. I would like playoff football again at App.
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I have never cared how many people watched the NIT or the FCS playoffs. I went for the pleasure of watching. Second if you have a G5 playoff and the top team is not there you don't really end up with a legit champion do you.Mjohn1988 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:19 amI really don’t think I would mind going to G5 playoff but I gotta ask, how many people watch the NIT? Now my G5 playoff would be for the G5 only and would not allow the top G5 to be in the CFP.spacemonkey wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:29 pmNo, the NIT would be for any fbs team that wanted to participate. Alright, just so you boys don't get your panties in a wad, we can make it an automatic bid for every conference champion that did not make the CFP get an automatic bid. I will leave out the G5 moniker. The G5 leagues need to make it part of the CFP agreement that all the other teams will participate in the NIT tournament and all proceeds of the NIT tournament are divided equally by the teams playing in the NIT.t4pizza wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:50 pmThis would essentially put 5 FBS conferences back to FCS obscurity. It may be on the horizon but I am in no hurry to get there. Once there is a shift away from the power conferences, the rest will just become relative unknowns again. I am not saying that the fans can't still enjoy the product, lord knows most of us enjoyed 1-AA/FCS, I am saying that all the coverage that we have become accustomed to will disappear rather quickly. There will be little to no interest in a G5 playoff outside of the fan bases, just like FCS, DII, DII, etc.spacemonkey wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:23 pmI wish the g5 would start a NIT with a bye for the g5 CFP rep in the first two rounds. 20 team NIT 8 play the first two weekends. Conference champions get bye to the second weekend. If CFP rep gets beat in first round they move into the NIT. I would like playoff football again at App.
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Playoffs??!!! We’re talking about playoffs??!!! Until the transfer portal and NIL stuff gets worked out, a second level of playoffs shouldn’t happen. Marshall would have been an automatic qualifier but half their team left. The validity of that 2nd level playoff will be affected with players of those teams selected leaving and fielding a team that has no business being in the playoffs. Majority of the teams in the FBS playoffs don’t have the excessive exodus so not as much of an issue there.
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About the transfers:
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I agree, don’t really care how many people watch just acknowledging it becomes a tier 2 event. And yes, no point doing it if the highest ranked G5 team goes to the CFP.bcoach wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:49 amI have never cared how many people watched the NIT or the FCS playoffs. I went for the pleasure of watching. Second if you have a G5 playoff and the top team is not there you don't really end up with a legit champion do you.Mjohn1988 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:19 amI really don’t think I would mind going to G5 playoff but I gotta ask, how many people watch the NIT? Now my G5 playoff would be for the G5 only and would not allow the top G5 to be in the CFP.spacemonkey wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:29 pmNo, the NIT would be for any fbs team that wanted to participate. Alright, just so you boys don't get your panties in a wad, we can make it an automatic bid for every conference champion that did not make the CFP get an automatic bid. I will leave out the G5 moniker. The G5 leagues need to make it part of the CFP agreement that all the other teams will participate in the NIT tournament and all proceeds of the NIT tournament are divided equally by the teams playing in the NIT.t4pizza wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:50 pmThis would essentially put 5 FBS conferences back to FCS obscurity. It may be on the horizon but I am in no hurry to get there. Once there is a shift away from the power conferences, the rest will just become relative unknowns again. I am not saying that the fans can't still enjoy the product, lord knows most of us enjoyed 1-AA/FCS, I am saying that all the coverage that we have become accustomed to will disappear rather quickly. There will be little to no interest in a G5 playoff outside of the fan bases, just like FCS, DII, DII, etc.spacemonkey wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:23 pmI wish the g5 would start a NIT with a bye for the g5 CFP rep in the first two rounds. 20 team NIT 8 play the first two weekends. Conference champions get bye to the second weekend. If CFP rep gets beat in first round they move into the NIT. I would like playoff football again at App.
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Well Hell looks like we raided the P4, not the other way around.biggie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:43 pmAbout the transfers:
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