I am with you Coach Clark

[BallantyneApp]

I’m not saying that there wouldn’t be interest IF there were to be a vacancy, I’m saying the quality of the interest might surprise some. There are two peer schools within the state of NC with vacancies. Both can pay a lot more than we can.

Ecu can.

Poggi made the same as Clark.

Interesting. I fugred that he made more since it was an AAC school. I still contend that it would look to be a more attractive job as they have more resources and lower expectations.

are you sure about that? UNCC fired Poggi after less than 2 seasons when his team made a production leap from 2023-2024 with a more difficult schedule. What about that says they have lower expectations? Clarks teams have been on a steady decline since 2021, and a whole world of difference since 2019.

Poggi might have more resources, but UNCC doesn't - in 2023 the yreported ~ the same football spend as App (13.62MM vs 13.70MM) and spent far less on coaches (3.7MM vs 3.0MM)

so which job is more attractive:

A. The one that will fire you in less than 2 years after you show improvement, that spends on the lower end in conference total with one of if not the lowest assistant coaches pools, smallest stadium in FBS, low fan engagement. Zero history of coaches being successful and moving to a higher profile job.

B. The one that will not fire you after several years of decline, that spends on the upper end in conference with a higher than median coaches pool, top 5 in G5 attendance, high fan engagement. Strong history of successful coaches taking higher profile jobs.

You think job A is more attractive and going to attract better candidates?

I do for the reasons that I outlined above.

It’s not contradictory at all. You don’t like Clark and you are basing your opinion with bias towards your Alma Mater. An outside candidate doesn’t have that loyalty lense and is looking for the opportunity that best allows him to make a name for himself to advance his career, (see Drinkwitz). He also likely has a family that he has to uproot and move. That’s unpleasant and occurs either way, but it’s a lot easier to do for a promotion than it is for a dismissal.

If I’m offered both jobs and had to choose between the two, with no loyalties to either, the Charlotte job is more attractive. More visibility via conference affiliation perception. Additionally, a 7 win season at Charlotte doesn’t put you on the hot seat with fans.

As for Poggi’s dismissal, there is likely more to the story than wins and losses for that leash to be yanked.

well frankly your reasoning doesn't make any sense.

[Saint3333]

When you can only see bias in one direction, it makes complete sense…

[AppSt94]

When you can only see bias in one direction, it makes complete sense…

If I cared what you thought, and more importantly, had respect for you as an individual then your opinion would hold weight with me. As it stands, I don’t.

Happy Thanksgiving.

[Saint3333]

Par.

Make it personal, because we know you aren’t able to debate effectively and always resort to personal insults.

Check your bias at the door.

[AppSt94]

Ecu can.

Poggi made the same as Clark.

Interesting. I fugred that he made more since it was an AAC school. I still contend that it would look to be a more attractive job as they have more resources and lower expectations.

are you sure about that? UNCC fired Poggi after less than 2 seasons when his team made a production leap from 2023-2024 with a more difficult schedule. What about that says they have lower expectations? Clarks teams have been on a steady decline since 2021, and a whole world of difference since 2019.

Poggi might have more resources, but UNCC doesn't - in 2023 the yreported ~ the same football spend as App (13.62MM vs 13.70MM) and spent far less on coaches (3.7MM vs 3.0MM)

so which job is more attractive:

A. The one that will fire you in less than 2 years after you show improvement, that spends on the lower end in conference total with one of if not the lowest assistant coaches pools, smallest stadium in FBS, low fan engagement. Zero history of coaches being successful and moving to a higher profile job.

B. The one that will not fire you after several years of decline, that spends on the upper end in conference with a higher than median coaches pool, top 5 in G5 attendance, high fan engagement. Strong history of successful coaches taking higher profile jobs.

You think job A is more attractive and going to attract better candidates?

I do for the reasons that I outlined above.

It’s not contradictory at all. You don’t like Clark and you are basing your opinion with bias towards your Alma Mater. An outside candidate doesn’t have that loyalty lense and is looking for the opportunity that best allows him to make a name for himself to advance his career, (see Drinkwitz). He also likely has a family that he has to uproot and move. That’s unpleasant and occurs either way, but it’s a lot easier to do for a promotion than it is for a dismissal.

If I’m offered both jobs and had to choose between the two, with no loyalties to either, the Charlotte job is more attractive. More visibility via conference affiliation perception. Additionally, a 7 win season at Charlotte doesn’t put you on the hot seat with fans.

As for Poggi’s dismissal, there is likely more to the story than wins and losses for that leash to be yanked.

well frankly your reasoning doesn't make any sense.

That’s fine. I was putting myself in that situation if I had to choose between the two an someone with zero loyalties to either.

We can agree to disagree without the passive aggressive sniping from those that are afraid to stand there and get their metaphorical nose bloodied.

[Saint3333]

Nah this is aggressive aggressive. No one is scared of the want to be biased bully.

Some of us don’t disappear whether App wins or loses. And when we are wrong we own it.

[311neers]

This board was cordial during September and October, even though we we're losing. Something changed the past 3 weeks, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

[AppSt94]

This board was cordial during September and October, even though we we're losing. Something changed the past 3 weeks, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

You came up in conversation this weekend while tailgating. Folks have the same opinion of you as they do of your dad Andy. Just sayin.

[AppGrad78]

Until now I have refrained from offering my opinion on our coaching situation. There’ve been too many opinions offered up already and mine carries no more weight than anyone else’s, which is to say none at all. But by this time next week we should have a clearer indication of who will or won’t lead our program in 2025. So I’m compelled to offer this thought:

I’m not happy we are 5-5 and having to sweat out a bowl bid on the last weekend of the season. Yes, our program has regressed from the Drinkwitz year. But 13-1 was a near impossible bar to hurdle. My dividing line between happy and disappointed is somewhere near 8-4 or maybe even 7-5 given the changing landscape of college football and the more-competitive Sun Belt. All that is to say 5-5 isn’t where I’m satisfied but Shawn Clark’s overall record of 40-23 here isn’t chopped liver either.

So is Clark the right guy?

From my vantage point, I’ve been impressed with Clark’s development over the past five seasons and especially this year. He recruits well, generally brings in quality students and athletes, avoids the constant player churn that is rampant at other schools, skillfully juggles media and alumni responsibilities, is beginning to manage the NIL and transfer portal spaces, and makes good in-game decisions. On that last point, Clark doesn’t get nearly the appreciation he deserves, especially in the last two seasons or so. It was his (and Frank Ponce’s) choice to go conservative early in the fourth quarter Saturday, opting to kick a field goal rather than to go for it on fourth-and-three at the JMU 23. That decision forced JMU into a series of low-percentage plays and changed the makeup of the final 10 minutes.

So three things are going to happen if we make a change: 1) the new coach is a success (Drinkwitz 2.0), 2) the new coach keeps us on the relatively same path we’re on this season (that is basically .500), or 3) the new coach is unsuccessful (see Mike Working, Jason Capel and Billy Jones). All three scenarios are possible. I’d give each one a 33.3% chance of happening. Given those numbers we have a nearly 66.7% chance of being disappointed with the future hire.

For my money, I’m more comfortable riding with a known quantity in Clark — someone who is showing significant improvement as a coach despite disappointing results this year — than what we don’t know.

[Saint3333]

This board was cordial during September and October, even though we we're losing. Something changed the past 3 weeks, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

You came up in conversation this weekend while tailgating. Folks have the same opinion of you as they do of your dad Andy. Just sayin.

You know what topic didn’t come up at our tailgate.

[AppSt94]

This board was cordial during September and October, even though we we're losing. Something changed the past 3 weeks, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

You came up in conversation this weekend while tailgating. Folks have the same opinion of you as they do of your dad Andy. Just sayin.

You know what topic didn’t come up at our tailgate.

That just means that folks don’t actually have a problem with me. It is nice that you and your boy JK notice when I’m not posting here. Rent free baby.

[311neers]

This board was cordial during September and October, even though we we're losing. Something changed the past 3 weeks, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

You came up in conversation this weekend while tailgating. Folks have the same opinion of you as they do of your dad Andy. Just sayin.

You know what topic didn’t come up at our tailgate.

That just means that folks don’t actually have a problem with me. It is nice that you and your boy JK notice when I’m not posting here. Rent free baby.

I don’t have a problem with you. Have never met you, Andy/dad or anyone you tailgate with. They’ve also never met me and neither have you. It was just a little more cordial between people while you were absent is all. Rent free would mean talking about someone at a tailgate they’ve never met and are not in attendance at said tailgate.

[ASUFan4863]

This board was cordial during September and October, even though we we're losing. Something changed the past 3 weeks, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

You came up in conversation this weekend while tailgating. Folks have the same opinion of you as they do of your dad Andy. Just sayin.

Good grief dude. You claim to want a discussion but then revert to personal attacks every time you disagree with someone. You also personally attack the same people over and over. Grow up, please.

[AppSt94]

This board was cordial during September and October, even though we we're losing. Something changed the past 3 weeks, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

You came up in conversation this weekend while tailgating. Folks have the same opinion of you as they do of your dad Andy. Just sayin.

Good grief dude. You claim to want a discussion but then revert to personal attacks every time you disagree with someone. You also personally attack the same people over and over. Grow up, please.

Like you, those two chuckleheads don’t want resistance and cry victim when it gets dished back at them.

[Saint3333]

You don’t want resistance from regurgitating whatever someone on Jack Branch tells you as the gospel.

When called out you resort to personal attacks.

Then project who you are onto others. <— we are here.

Then you get pissed and run away for a couple of weeks.

That’s my favorite part!

[appst89]

The irony meter is permanently broken. I’ll see if I can order an industrial strength model.

[311neers]

It’s hate week! Not against each other. Against those turds down at stink!

[Rekdiver]

Well at least we aren’t talking about the election and a diet of dogs and cats!

[ncman071]

It's hard not to like Clark...great guy ..really love the improvement seen against JMU...but it can't keep taking 5 losses to figure out how to play defense ...I'm afraid if we roll with Clark...we're gonna consistently be a 7 to 9 win team most years ..not really competing for championships ...but I could be wrong

[HurricaneYosef]

It's hard not to like Clark...great guy ..really love the improvement seen against JMU...but it can't keep taking 5 losses to figure out how to play defense ...I'm afraid if we roll with Clark...we're gonna consistently be a 7 to 9 win team most years ..not really competing for championships ...but I could be wrong

In the current landscape of CFB… winning 7-9 yearly with an occasional opportunity to win 10+ and be in a playoff conversation is something I’d quickly sign up for. As would most fan bases across the country