I am with you Coach Clark

[bcoach]

Expectations are not allowed.

Talking about what any college team has coming back in November is pointless in the NIL and TP era.

Which is why some coaches have had enough are leaving.

[t4pizza]

Expectations are not allowed.

Talking about what any college team has coming back in November is pointless in the NIL and TP era.

You are very right about that, but so far we haven't been hurt too much from TP even with NIL. Sure we may lose some, but I doubt it is many and with almost the entire 2 deep coming back, I am going to look forward. Hell, this season has sucked and I need something on the horizon to be excited about. Satire/sarcasm aside, we all have expectations and will continue to do so.

[311neers]

Expectations are not allowed.

Talking about what any college team has coming back in November is pointless in the NIL and TP era.

You are very right about that, but so far we haven't been hurt too much from TP even with NIL. Sure we may lose some, but I doubt it is many and with almost the entire 2 deep coming back, I am going to look forward. Hell, this season has sucked and I need something on the horizon to be excited about. Satire/sarcasm aside, we all have expectations and will continue to do so.

Most of us will look forward with recruiting, current roster, and portal
guys. It’s fair to expect 30-40 new faces per year in this era.
Question is, are we excited about the potential return of 18 guys on defense for what is the 117th ranked defense in the country? Better hope those 2’s can push the 1’s in certain spots.

[Rekdiver]

Freshmen can still play 4 games and not lose the redshirt right? If so how many Frosh have been on the field.

[AppSt94]

Freshmen can still play 4 games and not lose the redshirt right? If so how many Frosh have been on the field.

I took a peak at the participation log and Nick Taylor has burned his RS. None of the other true freshmen have played enough to potentially exhaust that RS.

[appstate24]

Freshmen can still play 4 games and not lose the redshirt right? If so how many Frosh have been on the field.

I took a peak at the participation log and Nick Taylor has burned his RS. None of the other true freshmen have played enough to potentially exhaust that RS.

I think Taylor has a very bright future.

GO APPS!!

[Pikapp79]

Expectations are not allowed.

Talking about what any college team has coming back in November is pointless in the NIL and TP era.

You are very right about that, but so far we haven't been hurt too much from TP even with NIL. Sure we may lose some, but I doubt it is many and with almost the entire 2 deep coming back, I am going to look forward. Hell, this season has sucked and I need something on the horizon to be excited about. Satire/sarcasm aside, we all have expectations and will continue to do so.

Most of us will look forward with recruiting, current roster, and portal
guys. It’s fair to expect 30-40 new faces per year in this era.
Question is, are we excited about the potential return of 18 guys on defense for what is the 117th ranked defense in the country? Better hope those 2’s can push the 1’s in certain spots.

Yep, having most of the same returning doesn’t seem positive. Hope transfer portal relegates many current starters to second or third string.

[AppDub]

Freshmen can still play 4 games and not lose the redshirt right? If so how many Frosh have been on the field.

I took a peak at the participation log and Nick Taylor has burned his RS. None of the other true freshmen have played enough to potentially exhaust that RS.

I think Taylor has a very bright future.

GO APPS!!

Totally agree. He got lost on a deep ball Ssturday, but that's expected of a young guy. Kid has a huge upside though.

[JTApps1]

Based on the most recently released two deep roster, the defense returns 10 starters, and 8 of the 11 guys at #2. That’s 18 of 22 plus Clark at NT and Gooch and Farrar. That is hopeful. You can change the voice in charge but changing the scheme will be a taller task.

That is a ton of returning productivity and we should expect really big things from the defense next year. We have seen glimmers of hope on that side of the ball and one would think that with an extra year of training and preparation, next year should be very good on defense. Of course, I thought that about our offense this year (with the large caveat of the unknown OL which clearly hurt us).

The defense would be performing much better with Clark at NT and Farrar and Gooch at ILB. We've finally addressed the issue at FS with Burks taking over that role. I do think we need a change at DC given how long it took to make changes with personnel and how unprepared we've been in many games. The OL took longer to come together this year than expected but they can all return next year so that should be a strength.

[Saint3333]

Hate week with a bowl game on the line and we're talking about next year when 20%+ of the players could enter the portal. Strange.

[ASUFan4863]

As crazy as it sounds, I think Sloan is more likely to return than Ponce.

[ASUFan4863]

We’ve been turned down before. Hell, Drinkwitz was our third or fourth choice.

I'm not terribly worried about chicken littles turning us down. They blew off making $25MM easy money with the 2019 team (imagine Ledford having to live with a paltry $1MM/yr as a OL coach while Drink makes $9MM/yr leveraging the job he turned down).

There will be tons of interest in our job. Its still the premier job in the SBC and one of the best in G5 where if you succeed lots of P4 interest will turn on.

I’m not saying that there wouldn’t be interest IF there were to be a vacancy, I’m saying the quality of the interest might surprise some. There are two peer schools within the state of NC with vacancies. Both can pay a lot more than we can.

Ecu can.

Poggi made the same as Clark.

Interesting. I fugred that he made more since it was an AAC school. I still contend that it would look to be a more attractive job as they have more resources and lower expectations.

It’s quite interesting and contradictory that you view UNCC as a more attractive job than ours would be after they fired a coach in less than 2 full seasons. You cite our standards as a reason to push people off but seem to disregard the fact that no one knows what the standard is at UNCC and Poggi was still fired after 20 or so games.

Interesting.

[AppSt94]

I'm not terribly worried about chicken littles turning us down. They blew off making $25MM easy money with the 2019 team (imagine Ledford having to live with a paltry $1MM/yr as a OL coach while Drink makes $9MM/yr leveraging the job he turned down).

There will be tons of interest in our job. Its still the premier job in the SBC and one of the best in G5 where if you succeed lots of P4 interest will turn on.

I’m not saying that there wouldn’t be interest IF there were to be a vacancy, I’m saying the quality of the interest might surprise some. There are two peer schools within the state of NC with vacancies. Both can pay a lot more than we can.

Ecu can.

Poggi made the same as Clark.

Interesting. I fugred that he made more since it was an AAC school. I still contend that it would look to be a more attractive job as they have more resources and lower expectations.

It’s quite interesting and contradictory that you view UNCC as a more attractive job than ours would be after they fired a coach in less than 2 full seasons. You cite our standards as a reason to push people off but seem to disregard the fact that no one knows what the standard is at UNCC and Poggi was still fired after 20 or so games.

Interesting.

It’s not contradictory at all. You don’t like Clark and you are basing your opinion with bias towards your Alma Mater. An outside candidate doesn’t have that loyalty lense and is looking for the opportunity that best allows him to make a name for himself to advance his career, (see Drinkwitz). He also likely has a family that he has to uproot and move. That’s unpleasant and occurs either way, but it’s a lot easier to do for a promotion than it is for a dismissal.

If I’m offered both jobs and had to choose between the two, with no loyalties to either, the Charlotte job is more attractive. More visibility via conference affiliation perception. Additionally, a 7 win season at Charlotte doesn’t put you on the hot seat with fans.

As for Poggi’s dismissal, there is likely more to the story than wins and losses for that leash to be yanked.

[AppSt94]

Expectations are not allowed.

Talking about what any college team has coming back in November is pointless in the NIL and TP era.

You are very right about that, but so far we haven't been hurt too much from TP even with NIL. Sure we may lose some, but I doubt it is many and with almost the entire 2 deep coming back, I am going to look forward. Hell, this season has sucked and I need something on the horizon to be excited about. Satire/sarcasm aside, we all have expectations and will continue to do so.

Most of us will look forward with recruiting, current roster, and portal
guys. It’s fair to expect 30-40 new faces per year in this era.
Question is, are we excited about the potential return of 18 guys on defense for what is the 117th ranked defense in the country? Better hope those 2’s can push the 1’s in certain spots.

If you are looking at the unit as a whole then I can understand the sentiments on the returners. The unit is only as strong as its weakest link. So as long as you are losing guys that were issues, then it’s likely addition by subtraction. If you recall how different the defense looked in 2016 when Stringer was in versus when he was out. One, or two guys can make a difference in good versus bad.

[bcoach]

As crazy as it sounds, I think Sloan is more likely to return than Ponce.

It does sound crazy. Why do you say that?

[ASUFan4863]

As crazy as it sounds, I think Sloan is more likely to return than Ponce.

It does sound crazy. Why do you say that?

This is all IF Clark stays which is far from a guarantee right now. I just look at who’s expected to return on defense, the gradual improvement this year on defense and the regression of the offense as a whole for this potential scenario to occur. I think it’s more likely we replace the OC and defensive staffers than we replace the DC.

[bcoach]

As crazy as it sounds, I think Sloan is more likely to return than Ponce.

It does sound crazy. Why do you say that?

This is all IF Clark stays which is far from a guarantee right now. I just look at who’s expected to return on defense, the gradual improvement this year on defense and the regression of the offense as a whole for this potential scenario to occur. I think it’s more likely we replace the OC and defensive staffers than we replace the DC.

That would be very sad but nothing would surprise me.

[ASUFan4863]

As crazy as it sounds, I think Sloan is more likely to return than Ponce.

It does sound crazy. Why do you say that?

This is all IF Clark stays which is far from a guarantee right now. I just look at who’s expected to return on defense, the gradual improvement this year on defense and the regression of the offense as a whole for this potential scenario to occur. I think it’s more likely we replace the OC and defensive staffers than we replace the DC.

That would be very sad but nothing would surprise me.

It’s just a crazy prediction. I have no idea what will happen over the next 10 or so days so don’t get too sad yet haha

[BallantyneApp]

We’ve been turned down before. Hell, Drinkwitz was our third or fourth choice.

I'm not terribly worried about chicken littles turning us down. They blew off making $25MM easy money with the 2019 team (imagine Ledford having to live with a paltry $1MM/yr as a OL coach while Drink makes $9MM/yr leveraging the job he turned down).

There will be tons of interest in our job. Its still the premier job in the SBC and one of the best in G5 where if you succeed lots of P4 interest will turn on.

I’m not saying that there wouldn’t be interest IF there were to be a vacancy, I’m saying the quality of the interest might surprise some. There are two peer schools within the state of NC with vacancies. Both can pay a lot more than we can.

Ecu can.

Poggi made the same as Clark.

Interesting. I fugred that he made more since it was an AAC school. I still contend that it would look to be a more attractive job as they have more resources and lower expectations.

are you sure about that? UNCC fired Poggi after less than 2 seasons when his team made a production leap from 2023-2024 with a more difficult schedule. What about that says they have lower expectations? Clarks teams have been on a steady decline since 2021, and a whole world of difference since 2019.

Poggi might have more resources, but UNCC doesn't - in 2023 the yreported ~ the same football spend as App (13.62MM vs 13.70MM) and spent far less on coaches (3.7MM vs 3.0MM)

so which job is more attractive:

A. The one that will fire you in less than 2 years after you show improvement, that spends on the lower end in conference total with one of if not the lowest assistant coaches pools, smallest stadium in FBS, low fan engagement. Zero history of coaches being successful and moving to a higher profile job.

B. The one that will not fire you after several years of decline, that spends on the upper end in conference with a higher than median coaches pool, top 5 in G5 attendance, high fan engagement. Strong history of successful coaches taking higher profile jobs.

You think job A is more attractive and going to attract better candidates?

[AppSt94]

I'm not terribly worried about chicken littles turning us down. They blew off making $25MM easy money with the 2019 team (imagine Ledford having to live with a paltry $1MM/yr as a OL coach while Drink makes $9MM/yr leveraging the job he turned down).

There will be tons of interest in our job. Its still the premier job in the SBC and one of the best in G5 where if you succeed lots of P4 interest will turn on.

I’m not saying that there wouldn’t be interest IF there were to be a vacancy, I’m saying the quality of the interest might surprise some. There are two peer schools within the state of NC with vacancies. Both can pay a lot more than we can.

Ecu can.

Poggi made the same as Clark.

Interesting. I fugred that he made more since it was an AAC school. I still contend that it would look to be a more attractive job as they have more resources and lower expectations.

are you sure about that? UNCC fired Poggi after less than 2 seasons when his team made a production leap from 2023-2024 with a more difficult schedule. What about that says they have lower expectations? Clarks teams have been on a steady decline since 2021, and a whole world of difference since 2019.

Poggi might have more resources, but UNCC doesn't - in 2023 the yreported ~ the same football spend as App (13.62MM vs 13.70MM) and spent far less on coaches (3.7MM vs 3.0MM)

so which job is more attractive:

A. The one that will fire you in less than 2 years after you show improvement, that spends on the lower end in conference total with one of if not the lowest assistant coaches pools, smallest stadium in FBS, low fan engagement. Zero history of coaches being successful and moving to a higher profile job.

B. The one that will not fire you after several years of decline, that spends on the upper end in conference with a higher than median coaches pool, top 5 in G5 attendance, high fan engagement. Strong history of successful coaches taking higher profile jobs.

You think job A is more attractive and going to attract better candidates?

I do for the reasons that I outlined above.

It’s not contradictory at all. You don’t like Clark and you are basing your opinion with bias towards your Alma Mater. An outside candidate doesn’t have that loyalty lense and is looking for the opportunity that best allows him to make a name for himself to advance his career, (see Drinkwitz). He also likely has a family that he has to uproot and move. That’s unpleasant and occurs either way, but it’s a lot easier to do for a promotion than it is for a dismissal.

If I’m offered both jobs and had to choose between the two, with no loyalties to either, the Charlotte job is more attractive. More visibility via conference affiliation perception. Additionally, a 7 win season at Charlotte doesn’t put you on the hot seat with fans.

As for Poggi’s dismissal, there is likely more to the story than wins and losses for that leash to be yanked.