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[Bigdaddyg1]

Every MLB team with the highest payroll doesn’t always win the World Series. There are NBA teams who pay the luxury tax who don’t always win the title. It certainly helps but isn’t always a certainty. NIL is giving money to what are typically somewhat naive or immature young people. I just simply don’t see how many of these otherwise fairly poor or certainly lower middle class kids maintain academic focus while being given large sums of money to play football and basketball. I’m by no means categorizing all or assuming anything and as someone has pointed out there are certainly wealthy kids attending college but I counter that by saying it’s different growing up with money than not having much and then given a bunch. If a football player for example becomes a paid employee can he be fired after a few games if he stinks on the field? Can he be traded or demoted to say, a G5 or FCS school?

Agreed and I think we will get to the point where players can be fired. The one thing I don't know about is trading players unless they remove the academic aspect completely. Could you imagine App trying to work out a trade for a player with our known transfer issues with admissions?

I should have included the added piece that under this scenario these paid employees are no longer regular students unless they pay their way for school. Can you imagine having a really good player who, say is a basketball player and was previously overlooked by bigger schools but has a great first 10 games then gets “called up” (so to speak)? We would negotiate some sort of trade or compensation from the poachers. Anything is possible

[appstatealum]

College sports is dead. It's just minor leagues now with an established fan base. I've honestly lost the level of passion I once had as a result. I still love my mountaineers, but the emotional investment is gone.

[AppStFan1]

Every MLB team with the highest payroll doesn’t always win the World Series. There are NBA teams who pay the luxury tax who don’t always win the title. It certainly helps but isn’t always a certainty. NIL is giving money to what are typically somewhat naive or immature young people. I just simply don’t see how many of these otherwise fairly poor or certainly lower middle class kids maintain academic focus while being given large sums of money to play football and basketball. I’m by no means categorizing all or assuming anything and as someone has pointed out there are certainly wealthy kids attending college but I counter that by saying it’s different growing up with money than not having much and then given a bunch. If a football player for example becomes a paid employee can he be fired after a few games if he stinks on the field? Can he be traded or demoted to say, a G5 or FCS school?

Agreed and I think we will get to the point where players can be fired. The one thing I don't know about is trading players unless they remove the academic aspect completely. Could you imagine App trying to work out a trade for a player with our known transfer issues with admissions?

I should have included the added piece that under this scenario these paid employees are no longer regular students unless they pay their way for school. Can you imagine having a really good player who, say is a basketball player and was previously overlooked by bigger schools but has a great first 10 games then gets “called up” (so to speak)? We would negotiate some sort of trade or compensation from the poachers. Anything is possible

Anything is possible but a trade while they actually attend classes with and schools having much different requirements would make that tough. I would think they would be employees and no longer students for that to happen?

[311neers]

Time to pour into Ely Hamrick. Keep him in-state. We're in his top 3 but he's a 2026.

Committed to UVA tonight.

[Bootsy]

Time to pour into Ely Hamrick. Keep him in-state. We're in his top 3 but he's a 2026.

Committed to UVA tonight.

Don’t hold it against him; we all make mistakes from time to time.

[AppSt94]

Time to pour into Ely Hamrick. Keep him in-state. We're in his top 3 but he's a 2026.

Committed to UVA tonight.

He’s a 2026 so a lot can happen between now and signing day.

[WASU 93]

Our new recruiting situation is to get them on campus. Have them fall in love with Boone. And, then they transfer back after they de-commit and are looking for their next option.

While some may not like it, having a long term head coach and a culture to come home to might be our best approach. We have stayed in the Top 25% of the Sun Belt. Troy was good before we came to the Belt, then had a drought, then was good, and now..... GaSo was good the first few years and has been mediocre to bad. LaLa was good until Napier skipped town. Coastal's ship will run aground. JMU TBD, but their coach and QB bolted. Texas State has risen from the embers to be the latest shiny object.

Our answer to NIL is finding players who want to be a part of something different, in a special place with a winning culture. Or, the JuCo players that appreciate a chance.

[AppSt94]

Our new recruiting situation is to get them on campus. Have them fall in love with Boone. And, then they transfer back after they de-commit and are looking for their next option.

While some may not like it, having a long term head coach and a culture to come home to might be our best approach. We have stayed in the Top 25% of the Sun Belt. Troy was good before we came to the Belt, then had a drought, then was good, and now..... GaSo was good the first few years and has been mediocre to bad. LaLa was good until Napier skipped town. Coastal's ship will run aground. JMU TBD, but their coach and QB bolted. Texas State has risen from the embers to be the latest shiny object.

Our answer to NIL is finding players who want to be a part of something different, in a special place with a winning culture. Or, the JuCo players that appreciate a chance.

Agree with you up until the last part. There is a need to create some NIL funds or we risk falling behind some of our peers. Liberty is already ahead of everyone as is Memphis. You don’t need a war chest but you do need enough to make it worth their while. And JuCo kids want money too.

[Bigdaddyg1]

We have the reality that hopefully we get the overlooked guy who comes to Boone, establishes at least a one year relationship then pulls a Joey and stays out of love and personal commitment. Unfortunately the bad side of the reality is that the guy elevates his game and becomes a valuable commodity for a higher level program who can simply cut him a check (so to speak). So do we now have portal experts who do virtually nothing but monitor that aspect of recruiting?

[WASU 93]

We have the reality that hopefully we get the overlooked guy who comes to Boone, establishes at least a one year relationship then pulls a Joey and stays out of love and personal commitment. Unfortunately the bad side of the reality is that the guy elevates his game and becomes a valuable commodity for a higher level program who can simply cut him a check (so to speak). So do we now have portal experts who do virtually nothing but monitor that aspect of recruiting?

And now coaches have to constantly recruit their own players in addition to monitoring the portal. Jerry Moore didn't have to continue recruiting Armanti, Richardson or Lynch. All three would be targets in today's game.

Dabo's trying to do it differently. But, he has a war chest of NIL money and NFL success stories that he can use. (But, having a Chase Brice on the bench a few years ago may have been a good thing for him)

[AppSt94]

We have the reality that hopefully we get the overlooked guy who comes to Boone, establishes at least a one year relationship then pulls a Joey and stays out of love and personal commitment. Unfortunately the bad side of the reality is that the guy elevates his game and becomes a valuable commodity for a higher level program who can simply cut him a check (so to speak). So do we now have portal experts who do virtually nothing but monitor that aspect of recruiting?

It certainly helps that his girlfriend is here in Boone.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

We have the reality that hopefully we get the overlooked guy who comes to Boone, establishes at least a one year relationship then pulls a Joey and stays out of love and personal commitment. Unfortunately the bad side of the reality is that the guy elevates his game and becomes a valuable commodity for a higher level program who can simply cut him a check (so to speak). So do we now have portal experts who do virtually nothing but monitor that aspect of recruiting?

It certainly helps that his girlfriend is here in Boone.

Need to pay girlfriends NIL money to not break up with our star players .

[AppSt94]

We have the reality that hopefully we get the overlooked guy who comes to Boone, establishes at least a one year relationship then pulls a Joey and stays out of love and personal commitment. Unfortunately the bad side of the reality is that the guy elevates his game and becomes a valuable commodity for a higher level program who can simply cut him a check (so to speak). So do we now have portal experts who do virtually nothing but monitor that aspect of recruiting?

It certainly helps that his girlfriend is here in Boone.

Need to pay girlfriends NIL money to not break up with our star players .

She is on the basketball team and her brother is a former App football player.

[311neers]

We have the reality that hopefully we get the overlooked guy who comes to Boone, establishes at least a one year relationship then pulls a Joey and stays out of love and personal commitment. Unfortunately the bad side of the reality is that the guy elevates his game and becomes a valuable commodity for a higher level program who can simply cut him a check (so to speak). So do we now have portal experts who do virtually nothing but monitor that aspect of recruiting?

It certainly helps that his girlfriend is here in Boone.

Need to pay girlfriends NIL money to not break up with our star players .

She is on the basketball team and her brother is a former App football player.

Moffitt?
Tolley liked App because his GF was at VT, haha! Can't live with em, can't live without em.

[AppStFan1]

We have the reality that hopefully we get the overlooked guy who comes to Boone, establishes at least a one year relationship then pulls a Joey and stays out of love and personal commitment. Unfortunately the bad side of the reality is that the guy elevates his game and becomes a valuable commodity for a higher level program who can simply cut him a check (so to speak). So do we now have portal experts who do virtually nothing but monitor that aspect of recruiting?

There are people with schools who do nothing but monitor the portal. P4 schools are investing big time in having staff who actually look at players before they enter and then try to lure them in. Don't tell me that is illegal because something is only illegal if it is enforced lol. It is happening big time. Some schools are spending more time in the portal than they do with HS recruiting.

[AppSt94]

We have the reality that hopefully we get the overlooked guy who comes to Boone, establishes at least a one year relationship then pulls a Joey and stays out of love and personal commitment. Unfortunately the bad side of the reality is that the guy elevates his game and becomes a valuable commodity for a higher level program who can simply cut him a check (so to speak). So do we now have portal experts who do virtually nothing but monitor that aspect of recruiting?

There are people with schools who do nothing but monitor the portal. P4 schools are investing big time in having staff who actually look at players before they enter and then try to lure them in. Don't tell me that is illegal because something is only illegal if it is enforced lol. It is happening big time. Some schools are spending more time in the portal than they do with HS recruiting.

You do know that App does this to a certain degree as well. We have staff that monitor the portal and scout players as well. As for the suggested activity that is seen as “illegal”, I can’t speak to whether that happens or not.

[BeauFoster]

We have the reality that hopefully we get the overlooked guy who comes to Boone, establishes at least a one year relationship then pulls a Joey and stays out of love and personal commitment. Unfortunately the bad side of the reality is that the guy elevates his game and becomes a valuable commodity for a higher level program who can simply cut him a check (so to speak). So do we now have portal experts who do virtually nothing but monitor that aspect of recruiting?

It certainly helps that his girlfriend is here in Boone.

Need to pay girlfriends NIL money to not break up with our star players .

Didn’t a Bama player try that to Saban, and Saban told him to pound sand?

[AppStFan1]

We have the reality that hopefully we get the overlooked guy who comes to Boone, establishes at least a one year relationship then pulls a Joey and stays out of love and personal commitment. Unfortunately the bad side of the reality is that the guy elevates his game and becomes a valuable commodity for a higher level program who can simply cut him a check (so to speak). So do we now have portal experts who do virtually nothing but monitor that aspect of recruiting?

There are people with schools who do nothing but monitor the portal. P4 schools are investing big time in having staff who actually look at players before they enter and then try to lure them in. Don't tell me that is illegal because something is only illegal if it is enforced lol. It is happening big time. Some schools are spending more time in the portal than they do with HS recruiting.

You do know that App does this to a certain degree as well. We have staff that monitor the portal and scout players as well. As for the suggested activity that is seen as “illegal”, I can’t speak to whether that happens or not.

I know we are but we aren't spending anywhere near the money nor do we have near the staff size doing it that schools like Alabama, Texas Tech, etc are doing. I mention those schools because I know they paid their GMs massive money and I looked to see their staff size and what they are doing. They are investing amounts of money that we just can't.

As far as illegal goes players are not supposed to be lured into the portal but we know that there was tampering with one of our basketball players and this happens big time in football. We have had SC and some other schools reach out through back door channels to some of our players. I heard SC reached out to Nick Hampton and D'Marco Jackson and happened with others. It is not technically illegal to reach out to a HS coach of a player and put the bug in their ear so that is their way to work around it but it has the same result and is a loophole that was an unintended consequence to the rule. I heard Shawn won't do that and waits for them to enter the portal but I don't know either way on what he specifically allows.

[AppSt94]

We have the reality that hopefully we get the overlooked guy who comes to Boone, establishes at least a one year relationship then pulls a Joey and stays out of love and personal commitment. Unfortunately the bad side of the reality is that the guy elevates his game and becomes a valuable commodity for a higher level program who can simply cut him a check (so to speak). So do we now have portal experts who do virtually nothing but monitor that aspect of recruiting?

There are people with schools who do nothing but monitor the portal. P4 schools are investing big time in having staff who actually look at players before they enter and then try to lure them in. Don't tell me that is illegal because something is only illegal if it is enforced lol. It is happening big time. Some schools are spending more time in the portal than they do with HS recruiting.

You do know that App does this to a certain degree as well. We have staff that monitor the portal and scout players as well. As for the suggested activity that is seen as “illegal”, I can’t speak to whether that happens or not.

I know we are but we aren't spending anywhere near the money nor do we have near the staff size doing it that schools like Alabama, Texas Tech, etc are doing. I mention those schools because I know they paid their GMs massive money and I looked to see their staff size and what they are doing. They are investing amounts of money that we just can't.

As far as illegal goes players are not supposed to be lured into the portal but we know that there was tampering with one of our basketball players and this happens big time in football. We have had SC and some other schools reach out through back door channels to some of our players. I heard SC reached out to Nick Hampton and D'Marco Jackson and happened with others. It is not technically illegal to reach out to a HS coach of a player and put the bug in their ear so that is their way to work around it but it has the same result and is a loophole that was an unintended consequence to the rule. I heard Shawn won't do that and waits for them to enter the portal but I don't know either way on what he specifically allows.

I don’t feel that it’s necessary to use schools like Alabama, Texas Tech or any school in a P4 conference because it isn’t relevant. We aren’t in a place to get that level. We aren’t going to compete with Liberty either. We live in a world where we need to focus on keeping up with our peers, and not worrying about what a bigger school can do with resources to potentially lure players away. Is it going to happen? Sure. Is it a problem that is being overblown for dramatic affect? I believe so. The big boys are going to have the resources to go get the best talent that they think that they can get. That can be from a G5 school or more likely another P5. If a kid wants to leave, they are going to leave. If they want to stay, they are going to stay. If they want to stay but only if you make it worth their while, then adios.

[AppStFan1]

We have the reality that hopefully we get the overlooked guy who comes to Boone, establishes at least a one year relationship then pulls a Joey and stays out of love and personal commitment. Unfortunately the bad side of the reality is that the guy elevates his game and becomes a valuable commodity for a higher level program who can simply cut him a check (so to speak). So do we now have portal experts who do virtually nothing but monitor that aspect of recruiting?

There are people with schools who do nothing but monitor the portal. P4 schools are investing big time in having staff who actually look at players before they enter and then try to lure them in. Don't tell me that is illegal because something is only illegal if it is enforced lol. It is happening big time. Some schools are spending more time in the portal than they do with HS recruiting.

You do know that App does this to a certain degree as well. We have staff that monitor the portal and scout players as well. As for the suggested activity that is seen as “illegal”, I can’t speak to whether that happens or not.

I know we are but we aren't spending anywhere near the money nor do we have near the staff size doing it that schools like Alabama, Texas Tech, etc are doing. I mention those schools because I know they paid their GMs massive money and I looked to see their staff size and what they are doing. They are investing amounts of money that we just can't.

As far as illegal goes players are not supposed to be lured into the portal but we know that there was tampering with one of our basketball players and this happens big time in football. We have had SC and some other schools reach out through back door channels to some of our players. I heard SC reached out to Nick Hampton and D'Marco Jackson and happened with others. It is not technically illegal to reach out to a HS coach of a player and put the bug in their ear so that is their way to work around it but it has the same result and is a loophole that was an unintended consequence to the rule. I heard Shawn won't do that and waits for them to enter the portal but I don't know either way on what he specifically allows.

I don’t feel that it’s necessary to use schools like Alabama, Texas Tech or any school in a P4 conference because it isn’t relevant. We aren’t in a place to get that level. We aren’t going to compete with Liberty either. We live in a world where we need to focus on keeping up with our peers, and not worrying about what a bigger school can do with resources to potentially lure players away. Is it going to happen? Sure. Is it a problem that is being overblown for dramatic affect? I believe so. The big boys are going to have the resources to go get the best talent that they think that they can get. That can be from a G5 school or more likely another P5. If a kid wants to leave, they are going to leave. If they want to stay, they are going to stay. If they want to stay but only if you make it worth their while, then adios.

That is all true and that is why many want to have a G5 playoff. There is no reason for us to play those schools and aim for the same playoff if we just can't compete with them. I am also more concerned with piers and the sooner we divide it up the better for all. I think the reality though is that several in the current P4 probably can't keep up eitehr. I wonder how many schools can really afford all this? Many of us who wanted to move up felt we had to in order to be in tier two because FCS will be tier 3 eventually.

In a related note to the spending of schools in FBS, there are rumors that MSU, Montana, NDSU, etc want to go to the MWC but they are suing the NCAA about this settlement saying they can't afford to do it in FCS. Makes me think they have no desire to move up. I am going to be curious to see what this all looks like when it is said and done.