Jett Niu

[Stonewall]

It appears that Sunbelt teams due to the reasons listed throughout these threads, must build or rebuild rosters year by year. We are on the low end of transfers in and out perhaps. I suppose it will vary by situation, by year , but it seems to be the new normal. Four year starters might just be a thing of the past .

[AppStFan1]

It appears that Sunbelt teams due to the reasons listed throughout these threads, must build or rebuild rosters year by year. We are on the low end of transfers in and out perhaps. I suppose it will vary by situation, by year , but it seems to be the new normal. Four year starters might just be a thing of the past .

I am thinking that it will be rare as well. We will be lucky if we have more than 1.

[Appst86]

I'm not surprised. If we lose to ECU we may see more. The coaching hot seat/uncertainty is going to come into play with these recruits. While jumping ship after Clemson is a bit iffy, he probably has visions of the NFL and doesn't think our program is on the level to get him there. Combine that with coming from across the country and yuo he's gone. I expect a Midwest team or west coast team will get him.

This was NIL related.

I was about to say the same thing. We can never compete financially with a school like OSU so we just need to do a better job at moneyball so to speak.

I thought Boone Pickens was from Boone????

[AppStFan1]

I'm not surprised. If we lose to ECU we may see more. The coaching hot seat/uncertainty is going to come into play with these recruits. While jumping ship after Clemson is a bit iffy, he probably has visions of the NFL and doesn't think our program is on the level to get him there. Combine that with coming from across the country and yuo he's gone. I expect a Midwest team or west coast team will get him.

This was NIL related.

I was about to say the same thing. We can never compete financially with a school like OSU so we just need to do a better job at moneyball so to speak.

I thought Boone Pickens was from Boone????

LOL

[Rekdiver]

It is the world we now live in. Pay all this money and don’t make a playoff. I just can’t get upset anymore with the utter idiocy of unregulated NIL

[Saint3333]

Next years starter will likely be someone I’ve never heard of who is playing at a lower level or riding the pine at one higher. It’s a year by year thing now.

Agreed, I no longer spend energy monitoring recruiting until signing day, but I appreciate those that keep us informed.

[pop5app]

Most (if not all) of us seem to agree that NIL, as it is, is awful. However it is the system we have! THE REAL QUESTION IS…. HOW ARE WE GOING TO OPERATE IN THIS AWFUL WORLD???

[BallantyneApp]

Most (if not all) of us seem to agree that NIL, as it is, is awful. However it is the system we have! THE REAL QUESTION IS…. HOW ARE WE GOING TO OPERATE IN THIS AWFUL WORLD???

I think shortly (like within a decade) there will be a version of a collective bargaining agreement where the athletes are contracted employees. NIL will still exist but this is the wild west days where its not NIL but pay to play. There will be a regulated version of pay to play, not what we have now which is clearly not NIL. What will speed up the process is if a team like SMU goes out and starts to outspend texas, georgia etc. The powers that be will decide suddenly that this doesn't work and start reining it in.

I'd also think it would be hilarious if some billionaire decides it would be funny to build up Fresno State (or App fingers crossed) and gives them like $25MM to build a NC team. That would also bring swift changes to the NIL landscape.

[311neers]

Most (if not all) of us seem to agree that NIL, as it is, is awful. However it is the system we have! THE REAL QUESTION IS…. HOW ARE WE GOING TO OPERATE IN THIS AWFUL WORLD???

I think shortly (like within a decade) there will be a version of a collective bargaining agreement where the athletes are contracted employees. NIL will still exist but this is the wild west days where its not NIL but pay to play. There will be a regulated version of pay to play, not what we have now which is clearly not NIL. What will speed up the process is if a team like SMU goes out and starts to outspend texas, georgia etc. The powers that be will decide suddenly that this doesn't work and start reining it in.

I'd also think it would be hilarious if some billionaire decides it would be funny to build up Fresno State (or App fingers crossed) and gives them like $25MM to build a NC team. That would also bring swift changes to the NIL landscape.

Someone give Luke Combs a call. He might be there in 5-10 years.

[AppSt94]

Most (if not all) of us seem to agree that NIL, as it is, is awful. However it is the system we have! THE REAL QUESTION IS…. HOW ARE WE GOING TO OPERATE IN THIS AWFUL WORLD???

I think shortly (like within a decade) there will be a version of a collective bargaining agreement where the athletes are contracted employees. NIL will still exist but this is the wild west days where its not NIL but pay to play. There will be a regulated version of pay to play, not what we have now which is clearly not NIL. What will speed up the process is if a team like SMU goes out and starts to outspend texas, georgia etc. The powers that be will decide suddenly that this doesn't work and start reining it in.

I'd also think it would be hilarious if some billionaire decides it would be funny to build up Fresno State (or App fingers crossed) and gives them like $25MM to build a NC team. That would also bring swift changes to the NIL landscape.

Let’s hope that the proposed cap on NIL comes to fruition. That would help level things out.

[BallantyneApp]

Most (if not all) of us seem to agree that NIL, as it is, is awful. However it is the system we have! THE REAL QUESTION IS…. HOW ARE WE GOING TO OPERATE IN THIS AWFUL WORLD???

I think shortly (like within a decade) there will be a version of a collective bargaining agreement where the athletes are contracted employees. NIL will still exist but this is the wild west days where its not NIL but pay to play. There will be a regulated version of pay to play, not what we have now which is clearly not NIL. What will speed up the process is if a team like SMU goes out and starts to outspend texas, georgia etc. The powers that be will decide suddenly that this doesn't work and start reining it in.

I'd also think it would be hilarious if some billionaire decides it would be funny to build up Fresno State (or App fingers crossed) and gives them like $25MM to build a NC team. That would also bring swift changes to the NIL landscape.

Let’s hope that the proposed cap on NIL comes to fruition. That would help level things out.

Given the way the courts have gone on this- I don't think any cap on NIL will exist until there is collective bargaining. There may not be any collective bargaining until the P2-P4 officially break off leaving us to be in the new 1-AA and we can help make our own rules.

[AppWyo]

Most (if not all) of us seem to agree that NIL, as it is, is awful. However it is the system we have! THE REAL QUESTION IS…. HOW ARE WE GOING TO OPERATE IN THIS AWFUL WORLD???

NIL and the transfer portal are the best things ever to happen to college football, because the bigger programs have always paid their players and now it is legal for everyone. The transfer portal is great too, because now the players can leave a bad situation for a better situation just like the coaches can.

[Black Saturday]

I’m not worried about getting someone for next season. I’m sure that Frank will have his phone buzzing. (I almost said ringing off the hook) but they don’t do that anymore.

If we keep winning, transfer portal QB's will continue to look our way. Going after HS Qb's almost seems like a waste of time. And I get coaching turnover and NIL/portal effect this but here it is...
Since 2019
2019- DBG (HS)- Quit ball/transferred. Conley (HS)- Flipped to Louisville
2020- Shuler (HS)- Transferred.
2021- Lowman, Tabscott- Both HS- Transferred. Brice (TP)
2022- Burger, Lowman- Transferred. Roszman- Decommited- All 3 HS recruits. McBride (TP-retired)
2023- Mchugh (HS)- Transferred. Aguilar- On Roster!
2024- Wilson and Wiles- On Roster! 1 HS recruit. Charles Wright (TP)- Quit
2025- Mahan and Niu- Decommitted. Both HS recruits

12 HS QB's committed/showed up to campus and not 1 other than Burger has taken a snap, and he took like 12 snaps. Very interesting.

Last QB we hit on from HS was Thomas in 2016, I believe. We really need to hit on a HS QB. It has been way too long.

The known quantity and experience at the college level plays a large factor as to not wasting a scholarship in getting the portal QB or any other position too vs a risky HS Qb and anyt other position you have to develop -

[Black Saturday]

Most (if not all) of us seem to agree that NIL, as it is, is awful. However it is the system we have! THE REAL QUESTION IS…. HOW ARE WE GOING TO OPERATE IN THIS AWFUL WORLD???

NIL and the transfer portal are the best things ever to happen to college football, because the bigger programs have always paid their players and now it is legal for everyone. The transfer portal is great too, because now the players can leave a bad situation for a better situation just like the coaches can.

I think its ruined the game that I knew

[AppSt94]

Most (if not all) of us seem to agree that NIL, as it is, is awful. However it is the system we have! THE REAL QUESTION IS…. HOW ARE WE GOING TO OPERATE IN THIS AWFUL WORLD???

I think shortly (like within a decade) there will be a version of a collective bargaining agreement where the athletes are contracted employees. NIL will still exist but this is the wild west days where its not NIL but pay to play. There will be a regulated version of pay to play, not what we have now which is clearly not NIL. What will speed up the process is if a team like SMU goes out and starts to outspend texas, georgia etc. The powers that be will decide suddenly that this doesn't work and start reining it in.

I'd also think it would be hilarious if some billionaire decides it would be funny to build up Fresno State (or App fingers crossed) and gives them like $25MM to build a NC team. That would also bring swift changes to the NIL landscape.

Let’s hope that the proposed cap on NIL comes to fruition. That would help level things out.

Given the way the courts have gone on this- I don't think any cap on NIL will exist until there is collective bargaining. There may not be any collective bargaining until the P2-P4 officially break off leaving us to be in the new 1-AA and we can help make our own rules.

I would like to see the proposed changes from a transparency perspective. I believe that a judge recently rejected a proposal and wants to see proof of legitimacy to any NIL deal over $600. That doesn’t mean that a player can’t earn more than that, but I think that they want proof of services from a Patriot Act perspective. Paying the kids isn’t the problem, knowing where the money came from is what they want to know.

[AppSt94]

I’m not worried about getting someone for next season. I’m sure that Frank will have his phone buzzing. (I almost said ringing off the hook) but they don’t do that anymore.

If we keep winning, transfer portal QB's will continue to look our way. Going after HS Qb's almost seems like a waste of time. And I get coaching turnover and NIL/portal effect this but here it is...
Since 2019
2019- DBG (HS)- Quit ball/transferred. Conley (HS)- Flipped to Louisville
2020- Shuler (HS)- Transferred.
2021- Lowman, Tabscott- Both HS- Transferred. Brice (TP)
2022- Burger, Lowman- Transferred. Roszman- Decommited- All 3 HS recruits. McBride (TP-retired)
2023- Mchugh (HS)- Transferred. Aguilar- On Roster!
2024- Wilson and Wiles- On Roster! 1 HS recruit. Charles Wright (TP)- Quit
2025- Mahan and Niu- Decommitted. Both HS recruits

12 HS QB's committed/showed up to campus and not 1 other than Burger has taken a snap, and he took like 12 snaps. Very interesting.

Last QB we hit on from HS was Thomas in 2016, I believe. We really need to hit on a HS QB. It has been way too long.

The known quantity and experience at the college level plays a large factor as to not wasting a scholarship in getting the portal QB or any other position too vs a risky HS Qb and anyt other position you have to develop -

You can certainly have some risk exposure taking a portal kid as we learned in the Spring. The kid from Texas was not good. We lucked out when Wiles fell to us.

[Bigdaddyg1]

Every MLB team with the highest payroll doesn’t always win the World Series. There are NBA teams who pay the luxury tax who don’t always win the title. It certainly helps but isn’t always a certainty. NIL is giving money to what are typically somewhat naive or immature young people. I just simply don’t see how many of these otherwise fairly poor or certainly lower middle class kids maintain academic focus while being given large sums of money to play football and basketball. I’m by no means categorizing all or assuming anything and as someone has pointed out there are certainly wealthy kids attending college but I counter that by saying it’s different growing up with money than not having much and then given a bunch. If a football player for example becomes a paid employee can he be fired after a few games if he stinks on the field? Can he be traded or demoted to say, a G5 or FCS school?

[AppStFan1]

Every MLB team with the highest payroll doesn’t always win the World Series. There are NBA teams who pay the luxury tax who don’t always win the title. It certainly helps but isn’t always a certainty. NIL is giving money to what are typically somewhat naive or immature young people. I just simply don’t see how many of these otherwise fairly poor or certainly lower middle class kids maintain academic focus while being given large sums of money to play football and basketball. I’m by no means categorizing all or assuming anything and as someone has pointed out there are certainly wealthy kids attending college but I counter that by saying it’s different growing up with money than not having much and then given a bunch. If a football player for example becomes a paid employee can he be fired after a few games if he stinks on the field? Can he be traded or demoted to say, a G5 or FCS school?

Agreed and I think we will get to the point where players can be fired. The one thing I don't know about is trading players unless they remove the academic aspect completely. Could you imagine App trying to work out a trade for a player with our known transfer issues with admissions?

[ericsaid]

We have always made the most out of the overlooked. Kids that for whatever reason weren't courted by the elite and higher level programs. Or were recruited for positions they didn't want to play, wanted a better chance for playing time or just wanted to go to App. They usually played with heart, grit and a little chip on their shoulder. Like they had something to prove.

Money changes everything. I worry about the motivation of today's kids as much as the fact we can't compete on the money front regarding NIL. If you were young and understood only a fraction make it to the NFL, would you settle for a scholly and playing time or a scholly and a few thousand a month(or more)?

No idea where this all will go but we may find ourselves taking in transfers whose NIL deals magically evaporate or get reduced after a couple of seasons

Joey likely passed up money to stay at App. Revel at ECU passed up money to stay there. Sometimes, especially for players with draft stock cemented in a system, are better off staying put.

[Stonewall]

He did.