Clemson game thread and discussion

[AppStFan1]

Clemson not ranked this week ?

I assume based on name they’ll stay in top 25 since I think GA is seen as better than majority even in the top 25.

They will definitely fall but I am with you and think they stay in the top 25. I am going to guess they land in the 20-25 range.

[AppDub]

Clemson made it out relatively healthy against Georgia. Their dobbers are down but no injuries.
I believe we made it out healthy too v ETSU. Obviously, Stroman is dinged up but don’t recall anyone else injured. Clark mentioned heat and rotating our DL against Clemson. Hopefully that means Hopper is returning this week- wish someone would ask the question, I thought Present was about to ask if he was playing.

Hopefully the boys are hydrated well. If the hest Saturday was tough on them, Saturday night off the mountain will be a challenge. No doubt the nutrition staff will have them ready.

[AppSt94]

Temps at kickoff will be a Boone-like upper to mid 70’s. They should be fine.

[Black Saturday]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... bca2&ei=17

What I gather from Beck is "don't be predictable" as APP has done on both sides of the ball over the years -especially our defense first half of the season- or smart folks will figure you out and you will lose and struggle to beat the opponents you should handle easily because of your talent disparity. Against ETSU I liked the play calling mix on offense hope we are unpredictable against Clemson.

If Clemson is 10- 20th ranked team are there really 17 points of difference in a top G5 team as we are supposed to be??? Hmmmmm...I don't think so after thinking about it for a few days....don't like all the national spotlight and fanbase fire them up though. O/U 51.5ish APP 28-24???

[Black Saturday]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... ea620&ei=8

[AppSt94]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... bca2&ei=17

What I gather from Beck is "don't be predictable" as APP has done on both sides of the ball over the years -especially our defense first half of the season- or smart folks will figure you out and you will lose and struggle to beat the opponents you should handle easily because of your talent disparity. Against ETSU I liked the play calling mix on offense hope we are unpredictable against Clemson.

If Clemson is 10- 20th ranked team are there really 17 points of difference in a top G5 team as we are supposed to be??? Hmmmmm...I don't think so after thinking about it for a few days....don't like all the national spotlight and fanbase fire them up though. O/U 51.5ish APP 28-24???

I agree with what you are saying. It also provokes a question to the group and not as a contradiction or contrarian statement. What does predictable play-calling look like? We added back in a few things this week that have been absent for a time. But all in all, most of what we saw Saturday was vanilla based stuff. We are going to run our offense based on philosophy and what the defense shows us regardless of the opponent. I’m not a fan of teams that run gadget plays or trickaration early on as it tells me that they don’t think that they can win with their best stuff.

[PhillyApp1]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... bca2&ei=17

What I gather from Beck is "don't be predictable" as APP has done on both sides of the ball over the years -especially our defense first half of the season- or smart folks will figure you out and you will lose and struggle to beat the opponents you should handle easily because of your talent disparity. Against ETSU I liked the play calling mix on offense hope we are unpredictable against Clemson.

If Clemson is 10- 20th ranked team are there really 17 points of difference in a top G5 team as we are supposed to be??? Hmmmmm...I don't think so after thinking about it for a few days....don't like all the national spotlight and fanbase fire them up though. O/U 51.5ish APP 28-24???

I agree with what you are saying. It also provokes a question to the group and not as a contradiction or contrarian statement. What does predictable play-calling look like? We added back in a few things this week that have been absent for a time. But all in all, most of what we saw Saturday was vanilla based stuff. We are going to run our offense based on philosophy and what the defense shows us regardless of the opponent. I’m not a fan of teams that run gadget plays or tricks ration early on as it tells me that they don’t think that they can win with their best stuff.

I agree with you for the most part.

Some misdirection in the O fense is always prayed for by me. And playing to win.

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[Bigdaddyg1]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... bca2&ei=17

What I gather from Beck is "don't be predictable" as APP has done on both sides of the ball over the years -especially our defense first half of the season- or smart folks will figure you out and you will lose and struggle to beat the opponents you should handle easily because of your talent disparity. Against ETSU I liked the play calling mix on offense hope we are unpredictable against Clemson.

If Clemson is 10- 20th ranked team are there really 17 points of difference in a top G5 team as we are supposed to be??? Hmmmmm...I don't think so after thinking about it for a few days....don't like all the national spotlight and fanbase fire them up though. O/U 51.5ish APP 28-24???

I agree with what you are saying. It also provokes a question to the group and not as a contradiction or contrarian statement. What does predictable play-calling look like? We added back in a few things this week that have been absent for a time. But all in all, most of what we saw Saturday was vanilla based stuff. We are going to run our offense based on philosophy and what the defense shows us regardless of the opponent. I’m not a fan of teams that run gadget plays or tricks ration early on as it tells me that they don’t think that they can win with their best stuff.

I agree. What exactly did people want to see us do Saturday that would be different? I’m a fan of using the tight ends more in pass plays. Some of my favorite Panther seasons were those with Greg Olson as a go to. We hit I believe Wilson with a wide open TD play. It would have been nice to see one of our backs go for 100 yards out of the gate but I also see 4 very capable guys who don’t appear to have much difference in ability. If they were all fairly close in camp it makes sense to use them and not wear one or two out. We got used to that 1,000 runner every year but really does that matter?

[AppSt94]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... bca2&ei=17

What I gather from Beck is "don't be predictable" as APP has done on both sides of the ball over the years -especially our defense first half of the season- or smart folks will figure you out and you will lose and struggle to beat the opponents you should handle easily because of your talent disparity. Against ETSU I liked the play calling mix on offense hope we are unpredictable against Clemson.

If Clemson is 10- 20th ranked team are there really 17 points of difference in a top G5 team as we are supposed to be??? Hmmmmm...I don't think so after thinking about it for a few days....don't like all the national spotlight and fanbase fire them up though. O/U 51.5ish APP 28-24???

I agree with what you are saying. It also provokes a question to the group and not as a contradiction or contrarian statement. What does predictable play-calling look like? We added back in a few things this week that have been absent for a time. But all in all, most of what we saw Saturday was vanilla based stuff. We are going to run our offense based on philosophy and what the defense shows us regardless of the opponent. I’m not a fan of teams that run gadget plays or tricks ration early on as it tells me that they don’t think that they can win with their best stuff.

I agree with you for the most part.

Some misdirection in the O fense is always prayed for by me. And playing to win.

1-0

I am of the opinion that misdirection works when you are playing a fast, pursuit oriented defense. It is less effective in the more lane disciplined defenses.

[Bigdaddyg1]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... bca2&ei=17

What I gather from Beck is "don't be predictable" as APP has done on both sides of the ball over the years -especially our defense first half of the season- or smart folks will figure you out and you will lose and struggle to beat the opponents you should handle easily because of your talent disparity. Against ETSU I liked the play calling mix on offense hope we are unpredictable against Clemson.

If Clemson is 10- 20th ranked team are there really 17 points of difference in a top G5 team as we are supposed to be??? Hmmmmm...I don't think so after thinking about it for a few days....don't like all the national spotlight and fanbase fire them up though. O/U 51.5ish APP 28-24???

I agree with what you are saying. It also provokes a question to the group and not as a contradiction or contrarian statement. What does predictable play-calling look like? We added back in a few things this week that have been absent for a time. But all in all, most of what we saw Saturday was vanilla based stuff. We are going to run our offense based on philosophy and what the defense shows us regardless of the opponent. I’m not a fan of teams that run gadget plays or tricks ration early on as it tells me that they don’t think that they can win with their best stuff.

I agree with you for the most part.

Some misdirection in the O fense is always prayed for by me. And playing to win.

1-0

I am of the opinion that misdirection works when you are playing a fast, pursuit oriented defense. It is less effective in the more lane disciplined defenses.

It would be interesting (for me) to see the number of so called trick plays that are run in a typical college football season (amongst all teams) along with the success rate. I’m not sure what exactly defines a trick play but I guess I’d include double passes, flea flickers, half back passes, etc. We all love that stuff but common sense says that teams don’t have tons of time to implement and practice those plays and for them to work a whole bunch of stuff must work right. Lots of us clamor for miss direction type plays and Jet sweeps, etc. I tend to think you need both a really fast dude and you need linemen who can quickly switch directions to block. I have to believe that we have some nice fun plays in the book.

[moonshine]

Hopefully the Tiger OL blocks each other this Saturday!

https://x.com/vo_ldemort/status/1830666 ... I-6zehJsQ

[AppSt94]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... bca2&ei=17

What I gather from Beck is "don't be predictable" as APP has done on both sides of the ball over the years -especially our defense first half of the season- or smart folks will figure you out and you will lose and struggle to beat the opponents you should handle easily because of your talent disparity. Against ETSU I liked the play calling mix on offense hope we are unpredictable against Clemson.

If Clemson is 10- 20th ranked team are there really 17 points of difference in a top G5 team as we are supposed to be??? Hmmmmm...I don't think so after thinking about it for a few days....don't like all the national spotlight and fanbase fire them up though. O/U 51.5ish APP 28-24???

I agree with what you are saying. It also provokes a question to the group and not as a contradiction or contrarian statement. What does predictable play-calling look like? We added back in a few things this week that have been absent for a time. But all in all, most of what we saw Saturday was vanilla based stuff. We are going to run our offense based on philosophy and what the defense shows us regardless of the opponent. I’m not a fan of teams that run gadget plays or tricks ration early on as it tells me that they don’t think that they can win with their best stuff.

I agree with you for the most part.

Some misdirection in the O fense is always prayed for by me. And playing to win.

1-0

I am of the opinion that misdirection works when you are playing a fast, pursuit oriented defense. It is less effective in the more lane disciplined defenses.

It would be interesting (for me) to see the number of so called trick plays that are run in a typical college football season (amongst all teams) along with the success rate. I’m not sure what exactly defines a trick play but I guess I’d include double passes, flea flickers, half back passes, etc. We all love that stuff but common sense says that teams don’t have tons of time to implement and practice those plays and for them to work a whole bunch of stuff must work right. Lots of us clamor for miss direction type plays and Jet sweeps, etc. I tend to think you need both a really fast dude and you need linemen who can quickly switch directions to block. I have to believe that we have some nice fun plays in the book.

I would qualify all of those as trick plays. The jet sweeps that we used to utilize were great when we could just out athlete our opponents. That’s not the case any longer.

[biggie]

ESPN keeps them at 24 in power rankings.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... p-25-teams

[AppSt94]

I find it interesting that we are no longer favored against JMU, Marsha or Coastal in ESPN’s FPI projections.

[BambooRdApp]

That is interesting...but that is why you play the game
I guess they thought we should of hung 65 on ETSU...

[Saint3333]

I enjoyed the option pitch on one play as well as passing to our RBs.

This will be by far this best defense we'll face all year going to need to execute a variety of plays to keep them honest.

[MrCraig]

I find it interesting that we are no longer favored against JMU, Marsha or Coastal in ESPN’s FPI projections.

No disrespect to you, but ESPN's FPI is literally one of the most garbage, nonsensical metrics in the history of statistics. It is never right, and it makes no sense. Vegas odds are infinitely more accurate at predicting outcomes.

[MrCraig]

Fun Fact: Texas A&M was a 17.5 pt favorite over App in 2022. I think this game has a lot of similarities, except I think App is better now than they were in 2022. I would be more surprised at Clemson covering the spread than App winning outright. Clemson has a very good defensive line and... that's about it.

[spacemonkey]

I saw an offensive set Saturday that had a wideout on each side and two running backs in the backfield and looked like two tight ends. That looked like a play with tons of possibilities.

Looked something like this:

x x
x
x xxxxxx x

If the backs can catch, this would be a ton of options for Joey at the line of scrimmage.

[BUTCH1991]

I loved the 3 running backs in the backfield play that Haywood almost housed.