Clemson Win or ECU Loss

[appchicago]

Clemson win, and it's not close.

Full disclosure, I'm an SC native, so that's part of it, but we're also 0-5 against the Tigers, compared to 21-12 (and 2-0 since going FBS) against the Pirates.

Anything we can do to stoke local-ish rivalries and further establish ourselves as a relevant team in the region is good for us, and a Clemson win would do that more than another ECU win.

[BambooRdApp]

Clemson win, and it's not close.

Full disclosure, I'm an SC native, so that's part of it, but we're also 0-5 against the Tigers, compared to 21-12 (and 2-0 since going FBS) against the Pirates.

Anything we can do to stoke local-ish rivalries and further establish ourselves as a relevant team in the region is good for us, and a Clemson win would do that more than another ECU win.

We seem to get quite a few recruits from SC and Ga. A win does not hurt on the recruiting trail

[AppDub]

I don't think they look at head to head wins either while choosing, however I do think knocking off a top tier school gets you more air time on the flagship channels and builds even bigger brand recognition.

[Parks&RecAPP]

Has anyone simulated the Clemson game in the new CFB25 game??

[AppOrange]

Give me a win at ECU and a close loss at Clemson . . . to me, that scenario still keep us in good consideration for the playoff's if we roll the rest of the year. Does a win at Clemson and loss at ECU do the same? I see a greater chance of ECU struggling after beating us in a rivalry game so that L might look real bad. Ultimately, I'd root for us beating the crap out of ECU, they have a 500 year, and a close loss at Clem and they go undefeated.

[t4pizza]

I would say a win of Clemson even if it meant a loss of ECU. Everyone will remember beating Clemson at Death Valley and nobody will remember a loss to ECU. I am referring to the general college football fans when I say everyone and nobody. All we have to do is look at our own history. Who besides App State fans recalls that App lost to Wofford shortly after shocking the world at Michigan? It would be the same thing if we beat Clemson but lost to ECU.

[AppSt94]

I would say a win of Clemson even if it meant a loss of ECU. Everyone will remember beating Clemson at Death Valley and nobody will remember a loss to ECU. I am referring to the general college football fans when I say everyone and nobody. All we have to do is look at our own history. Who besides App State fans recalls that App lost to Wofford shortly after shocking the world at Michigan? It would be the same thing if we beat Clemson but lost to ECU.

I don’t disagree with this thought process in general. In terms of CFP ramifications, should we win the conference and put us in conversation for the CFP invite, a Clemson loss wouldn’t necessarily keep us out of the tournament but a stumble against ECU most likely would. My reasoning being is that ECU is going to play three likely contenders for the CFP spot. A loss to them with wins by the other two would be a factor. Clemson is a better team than us both literally and figuratively. A loss to them isn’t a big deal. ECU is supposed to be a weaker opponent and a loss to a weaker opponent will not look good on a resume for the CFP selection.

[311neers]

A win vs. Clemson 1000%. If we lose to ECU, we're probably going 6-6.

[AppSt94]

A win vs. Clemson 1000%. If we lose to ECU, we're probably going 6-6.

C’mon. If we are a 6-6 team, do you think that one of those wins would be Clemson? If we beat Clemson, how bad are they?

[t4pizza]

I would say a win of Clemson even if it meant a loss of ECU. Everyone will remember beating Clemson at Death Valley and nobody will remember a loss to ECU. I am referring to the general college football fans when I say everyone and nobody. All we have to do is look at our own history. Who besides App State fans recalls that App lost to Wofford shortly after shocking the world at Michigan? It would be the same thing if we beat Clemson but lost to ECU.

I don’t disagree with this thought process in general. In terms of CFP ramifications, should we win the conference and put us in conversation for the CFP invite, a Clemson loss wouldn’t necessarily keep us out of the tournament but a stumble against ECU most likely would. My reasoning being is that ECU is going to play three likely contenders for the CFP spot. A loss to them with wins by the other two would be a factor. Clemson is a better team than us both literally and figuratively. A loss to them isn’t a big deal. ECU is supposed to be a weaker opponent and a loss to a weaker opponent will not look good on a resume for the CFP selection.
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You're right about the playoff implications, losing to Clemson most likely doesn't hurt our chances as much as a loss to ECU. That being said, I think we need an unblemished out of conference record to make the playoff since I think we will drop at least one conference game. If we go undefeated in conference, a loss to Clemson wouldn't hurt much. My answer was really not taking the playoff into consideration since those factors are out of our control.

[AppSt94]

I would say a win of Clemson even if it meant a loss of ECU. Everyone will remember beating Clemson at Death Valley and nobody will remember a loss to ECU. I am referring to the general college football fans when I say everyone and nobody. All we have to do is look at our own history. Who besides App State fans recalls that App lost to Wofford shortly after shocking the world at Michigan? It would be the same thing if we beat Clemson but lost to ECU.

I don’t disagree with this thought process in general. In terms of CFP ramifications, should we win the conference and put us in conversation for the CFP invite, a Clemson loss wouldn’t necessarily keep us out of the tournament but a stumble against ECU most likely would. My reasoning being is that ECU is going to play three likely contenders for the CFP spot. A loss to them with wins by the other two would be a factor. Clemson is a better team than us both literally and figuratively. A loss to them isn’t a big deal. ECU is supposed to be a weaker opponent and a loss to a weaker opponent will not look good on a resume for the CFP selection.
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You're right about the playoff implications, losing to Clemson most likely doesn't hurt our chances as much as a loss to ECU. That being said, I think we need an unblemished out of conference record to make the playoff since I think we will drop at least one conference game. If we go undefeated in conference, a loss to Clemson wouldn't hurt much. My answer was really not taking the playoff into consideration since those factors are out of our control.

100% agree. Control what you can control. I don’t think we make it through the conference portion of the season undefeated either. Depending on who we lose to in comparison to a loss to ECU would factor into decisions. Win the conference and you are in that conversation with 4 other teams. I feel like 11-2 with a better SOS gets us the nod over a 12-1 Liberty provided that we win the H2H. Margin of victory over ECU between the AAC champ and us, provided ECU plays the champ is a factor. All of this can work in our favor and the MWC champ could still make it moot.

[Black Saturday]

APP game is only meaningful to us.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 0a030&ei=9

[BambooRdApp]

APP game is only meaningful to us.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 0a030&ei=9

It will be to them after the game...See Michigan 2007 in Football-pedia

[rbarthle17]

ECU win. We have topped out how high we will be going in FBS football. We are not going to be in the eventual super league. So the games that will matter most are against our peers. Too many ECU fans that I know still think we are below them. We need to stack wins to disabuse them of that notion.

I'll be all for an upset at Death Valley, but not if that's the cost. A good showing there, and running the table otherwise, will still have us in contention for the G5 spot.

[rbarthle17]

APP game is only meaningful to us.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 0a030&ei=9

This is no surprise. The most we will get in any year from a P4 team fanbase is an "aw f---" when the game is announced, a thread hashing the same argument over why would their AD schedule us, and maybe a few "Don't overlook this game" threads on game week. I agree with that MSN article.

[ArmantiWaterSafety]

Has anyone simulated the Clemson game in the new CFB25 game??

I have played this game 6 times and only won once. They like to break open big plays. Any time there's a rush, Klubnik finds a way to get it for a 10 yard gain. Usual score is around 28-35, very annoying. Haven't had much of a problem moving it on offense, but the defense is suspect.

[bcoach]

Spacemonkey brought up beating ECU as more important in another thread, led me down the path of this:

Would you trade a win vs. Clemson is it meant a loss vs. ECU?

No

[AppWyo]

I would say a win of Clemson even if it meant a loss of ECU. Everyone will remember beating Clemson at Death Valley and nobody will remember a loss to ECU. I am referring to the general college football fans when I say everyone and nobody. All we have to do is look at our own history. Who besides App State fans recalls that App lost to Wofford shortly after shocking the world at Michigan? It would be the same thing if we beat Clemson but lost to ECU.

I do, but the loss to GS hurt even more. That is the beauty of a true playoff with automatic bids for conference champions. You can lose two conference games and still win a National Championship.

Let us not forget the Halloween Game the following season where we beat the you know what out of Wofford on ESPN.

[AppWyo]

Has anyone simulated the Clemson game in the new CFB25 game??

I have played this game 6 times and only won once. They like to break open big plays. Any time there's a rush, Klubnik finds a way to get it for a 10 yard gain. Usual score is around 28-35, very annoying. Haven't had much of a problem moving it on offense, but the defense is suspect.

I am sure coaches all across the country are using EA Sports College Game Day 25 to plan their game plan, as well as a few players too.

[Bigdaddyg1]

I think this is a great question and love the responses. I think ultimately it comes down to how those teams finish. Beat Clemson and they go 10-2 it’s a fantastic win. Beat them and they suck and go 7-5 it’s like the A&M win- great at the time but the shine wears off. Beat the good Clemson team then lay an egg in Greenville and then they go 7-5 we will hate it all year. I’ll take beating Clemson no matter what.