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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by AppWyo » Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:46 pm

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It will be closer to 90 than 40 that break away. There will be programs that will sacrifice everything to keep up with the jones, no difference than society at large.

And some of those are going to really make our fanbase jealous. Might want to mark this post for future reference.
Basically, most of the haves wish they had what Notre Dame has.

Several schools have tried to be independents like South Carolina, ECU, FAMU, UMASS, etc. and it has not worked out in their favor.

Even Notre Dame saw that it was advantageous to join a conference in their other sports.

I am sure there were people that thought integration, Title XI, and Televised games would be the end of college sports too, this is just the current phase of the evolution of college sports.

Many people stopped watching NASCAR when Dale Earnhardt died, but the fact is, if he were still alive today, he would not be racing.
When it’s discussed and announced that there will be a breakaway, there will be three tiers of candidates. Those that will spearhead the club. Texas, Alabama, Michigan, Ohio St and the like that want to be grouped together. Then you have the ones that want to sit at the “cool kids” table to belong but are really there for the others to make fun of. I’m talking about schools like Michigan St, Wisconsin, and South Carolina. Then you will have the ones that the kids at the cool kids table don’t find to be worth sharing the table with. The Maryland’s, Pretty much the northern teams of the ACC, Rutgers and the Big IX.
That last group will also have a few members of the G5 which will lead to epic threads on message boards like this one. South Florida, SDSU, etc. will not go quietly. Do not underestimate the pride of "wealthy" individuals, "we can believe almost anything if necessary to protect our pride".

I remember during the FBS feasibility study sitting in meetings where alums/fans asked why settle for CUSA we should be calling the ACC!
I do not want App to be in an ACC that does not include the Big Four...

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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:53 pm

Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:14 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:04 pm
AppWyo wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:38 am
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 4:41 am
It will be closer to 90 than 40 that break away. There will be programs that will sacrifice everything to keep up with the jones, no difference than society at large.

And some of those are going to really make our fanbase jealous. Might want to mark this post for future reference.
Basically, most of the haves wish they had what Notre Dame has.

Several schools have tried to be independents like South Carolina, ECU, FAMU, UMASS, etc. and it has not worked out in their favor.

Even Notre Dame saw that it was advantageous to join a conference in their other sports.

I am sure there were people that thought integration, Title XI, and Televised games would be the end of college sports too, this is just the current phase of the evolution of college sports.

Many people stopped watching NASCAR when Dale Earnhardt died, but the fact is, if he were still alive today, he would not be racing.
When it’s discussed and announced that there will be a breakaway, there will be three tiers of candidates. Those that will spearhead the club. Texas, Alabama, Michigan, Ohio St and the like that want to be grouped together. Then you have the ones that want to sit at the “cool kids” table to belong but are really there for the others to make fun of. I’m talking about schools like Michigan St, Wisconsin, and South Carolina. Then you will have the ones that the kids at the cool kids table don’t find to be worth sharing the table with. The Maryland’s, Pretty much the northern teams of the ACC, Rutgers and the Big IX.
That last group will also have a few members of the G5 which will lead to epic threads on message boards like this one. South Florida, SDSU, etc. will not go quietly. Do not underestimate the pride of "wealthy" individuals, "we can believe almost anything if necessary to protect our pride".

I remember during the FBS feasibility study sitting in meetings where alums/fans asked why settle for CUSA we should be calling the ACC!
Egos will certainly be willing to stroke some checks, but this new “Premier League” is going to be by invitation only and the invites are going to be those that can carry their weight in a television contract. I hate to point to one school, or entity as the thorn in the paw, but Texas is a school that doesn’t like anyone in their sandbox. In my opinion, it won’t matter if a school like Oklahoma State or a South Carolina want in, an OSU doesn’t add value to the television contract and Clemson is a better product than SC. There will be some current P5s on the outside looking in and I don’t see any current G5s moving any needles that they aren’t moving now.

Now that doesn’t mean that these schools couldn’t play by the rules of the Premier League, but they aren’t going to be included.

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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by Saint3333 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:57 pm

They'll need someone to beat up on, I view the split at a much lower "level".

Plus you start leaving schools like South Carolina out their donors and government officials will step in. I'd love to see the split you're talking about for the entertainment value though!

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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:17 pm

Saint3333 wrote:
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They'll need someone to beat up on, I view the split at a much lower "level".

Plus you start leaving schools like South Carolina out their donors and government officials will step in. I'd love to see the split you're talking about for the entertainment value though!
It could certainly lead to some Civil Wars. Here’s the other potential fly in the ointment. If these schools break free from the NCAA, could they be excluded from March Madness? How does affect the decision makers at schools like Carolina, Kentucky, Indiana and Kansas?

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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by Black Saturday » Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:39 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:17 pm
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Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:57 pm
They'll need someone to beat up on, I view the split at a much lower "level".

Plus you start leaving schools like South Carolina out their donors and government officials will step in. I'd love to see the split you're talking about for the entertainment value though!
It could certainly lead to some Civil Wars. Here’s the other potential fly in the ointment. If these schools break free from the NCAA, could they be excluded from March Madness? How does affect the decision makers at schools like Carolina, Kentucky, Indiana and Kansas?
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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:42 pm

Black Saturday wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:39 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:17 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:57 pm
They'll need someone to beat up on, I view the split at a much lower "level".

Plus you start leaving schools like South Carolina out their donors and government officials will step in. I'd love to see the split you're talking about for the entertainment value though!
It could certainly lead to some Civil Wars. Here’s the other potential fly in the ointment. If these schools break free from the NCAA, could they be excluded from March Madness? How does affect the decision makers at schools like Carolina, Kentucky, Indiana and Kansas?
UConn and Dook
I don’t see Duke or UConn wanting in, nor would I think they get invited.

I did a look across college football and I found about 26 schools that would likely go. I’m not sure who else goes though.

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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by Saint3333 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:51 pm

If you want to poke a hornets nest tell a bottom third P4 programs they are going to be left out of the party.

Take the bottom third of the ACC/Big12: BC, Pitt, Cuse, Wake, Cincy, Iowa St, Houston, WV.

Again I don't believe in this theory but just imagine the chaos.

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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:58 pm

Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:51 pm
If you want to poke a hornets nest tell a bottom third P4 programs they are going to be left out of the party.

Take the bottom third of the ACC/Big12: BC, Pitt, Cuse, Wake, Cincy, Iowa St, Houston, WV.

Again I don't believe in this theory but just imagine the chaos.
There are a few more that could be added but yes. It could be chaos.

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Re: Athlon Predictions

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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Wed Jun 12, 2024 6:41 am

Can anyone name the team who won the Triple A baseball championship last year? I’d bet almost nobody can. I remember during our run of FCS championships there was almost no stories on the football page of ESPN. We were all so excited that our game was going to be broadcast on ESPN2 or even the main channel. If there is some real split of P’s and G’s it will truly be FCS all over again. The current FCS teams who barely survive will have tough decisions to make.

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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by Black Saturday » Wed Jun 12, 2024 5:41 pm

No one cares, but a small percentage of us fans anyway. It's been a Back To The Future ride anyway.
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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:14 pm

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Can anyone name the team who won the Triple A baseball championship last year? I’d bet almost nobody can. I remember during our run of FCS championships there was almost no stories on the football page of ESPN. We were all so excited that our game was going to be broadcast on ESPN2 or even the main channel. If there is some real split of P’s and G’s it will truly be FCS all over again. The current FCS teams who barely survive will have tough decisions to make.
So true. We basically moved up so we would be in tier two when it all shakes out. FCS will be the third level of college football sooner rather than later.

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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by Bootsy » Wed Jun 12, 2024 9:21 pm

Over the next 3/5/10 years, how many schools decide to shutter their football programs because they can’t make the math work…even at the lower divisions?

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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by AppWyo » Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:16 am

Bootsy wrote:
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Over the next 3/5/10 years, how many schools decide to shutter their football programs because they can’t make the math work…even at the lower divisions?
I believe so many teams have moved from FCS to FBS of late, because schools like App have made it look easy and the rewards have outweighed the risks. However, the alumni dollars is the money that is driving those moves. Keep your big donors happy and you will be happy.

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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by Saint3333 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:03 am

Big Donors is a relative term in the realm of college football.

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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by TheMoody1 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:43 am

If it is measured in pounds I might qualify. :D

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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by AppWyo » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:02 pm

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Big Donors is a relative term in the realm of college football.
"Big Donors," People who donate large sums of money.

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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by Black Saturday » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:09 pm

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Big Donors is a relative term in the realm of college football.
"Big Donors," People who donate large sums of money.
Since NIL and players are going to legally be paid, "The Bag Man" has passed away, but "Big Donors" still live.
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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by AppSt94 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:26 pm

You have to wonder what happens when the IRS gets involved with the proper taxation. Not to mention when Treasury starts to look into these transactions.

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Re: Athlon Predictions

Unread post by Saint3333 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:32 pm

AppWyo wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:02 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
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Big Donors is a relative term in the realm of college football.
"Big Donors," People who donate large sums of money.
Big donors at App and Bama are not the same.

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