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5+7 model close to passing. G5 would still get screwed

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5+7 model close to passing. G5 would still get screwed

Unread post by appdaze » Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:25 pm

The College Football Playoff board of managers is expected to vote Feb. 20 on a model that would include the five highest-ranked conference champions and the next seven highest-ranked teams in the 12-team playoff this fall -- a format change that could finally get the unanimous backing it needs if the Pac-12 agrees to it.


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Re: 5+7 model close to passing. G5 would still get screwed

Unread post by spacemonkey » Tue Feb 13, 2024 9:04 pm

I don't think we are anymore screwed than the ACC and the Big 12. It is going to be the SEC and Big? that gets 1/4th each of the payout. ACC and Big12 are going to get 1/12. We have a chance to get 1/12th.

Michigan 13-0
2 Washington 13-0
3 Texas 12-1
4 Alabama 12-1
5 Florida State 13-0
6 Georgia 12-1
7 Ohio State 11-1
8 Oregon 11-2
9 Missouri 10-2
10 Penn State 10-2
11 Mississippi 10-2
12 Oklahoma 10-2


It is not looking good for anyone not the p2.

Also they did not make it p(anything) if the AAC and the SBC are top 5 rated conference champ they are both in over the ACC and the BIG12.

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Re: 5+7 model close to passing. G5 would still get screwed

Unread post by Rick83 » Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:33 am

How is the G5 getting screwed in the 5+7 model?

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Re: 5+7 model close to passing. G5 would still get screwed

Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:49 am

The only way I see this happening is if somehow the PAC (whatever it is) remains as a power conference and is the 5th one. The G5 champs would probably have to go undefeated and hope that whatever remains out west is basically relegated to another G5 conference. If the powers that be want some semblance of college football as a different model than the pros they will need to allow more than 10 teams a shot (not necessarily a real shot) at a playoff opportunity.

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Re: 5+7 model close to passing. G5 would still get screwed

Unread post by APPdiesel » Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:03 am

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Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:49 am
The only way I see this happening is if somehow the PAC (whatever it is) remains as a power conference and is the 5th one. The G5 champs would probably have to go undefeated and hope that whatever remains out west is basically relegated to another G5 conference. If the powers that be want some semblance of college football as a different model than the pros they will need to allow more than 10 teams a shot (not necessarily a real shot) at a playoff opportunity.
Well the Pac would be a reconstituted G5 cobbled together from Mountain West teams. The committee would have to have the biggest set of blinders on to only look at the logo and not the makeup of the conference’s membership.

I see essentially the same if not less competition for the G5’s playoff spot with (possibly) the mountain west whittled down to nothing.
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Re: 5+7 model close to passing. G5 would still get screwed

Unread post by citroknight » Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:15 am

Bigdaddyg1 wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:49 am
The only way I see this happening is if somehow the PAC (whatever it is) remains as a power conference and is the 5th one. The G5 champs would probably have to go undefeated and hope that whatever remains out west is basically relegated to another G5 conference. If the powers that be want some semblance of college football as a different model than the pros they will need to allow more than 10 teams a shot (not necessarily a real shot) at a playoff opportunity.
Quite the opposite. The only reason the shift to 5+7 is happening is because the PAC is no longer a power conference. The goal was always 1 and only 1 guaranteed spot for the G5, no more no less. But with the PAC dying after 6+6 was already approved, it meant 2 G5 spots were about to happen.

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Re: 5+7 model close to passing. G5 would still get screwed

Unread post by spacemonkey » Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:43 am

This format gave me and App what we needed. This officially made the "P5/G5" a made up term. Our conference is not limited by a contract naming who gets automatic qualifiers. The conference has to earn it or one of their teams have to earn it. The Sunbelt add campaign is so true now...."Together we rise"

There will be more conference shuffling. The CFP money is going to go to the teams that earn it.

The only thing left to complete my wants is a NIT football playoff with all conference champs left out of the CFP playoff. Conference champ 6 thru 9 with the top rated teams left out of the CFP and that playoff contract money goes to the teams in that tournament/playoff.

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Re: 5+7 model close to passing. G5 would still get screwed

Unread post by fjblair » Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:52 am

Some of you need to confront reality, other than a once in a blue moon great season G-5 teams not part of the college football invitational/popularity contest. It's a feature, not a bug. This isn't about football, it's about money and ASU will never have the dough to be part of the old boys club no matter how good we are on the field.

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Re: 5+7 model close to passing. G5 would still get screwed

Unread post by spacemonkey » Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:01 am

fjblair wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:52 am
Some of you need to confront reality, other than a once in a blue moon great season G-5 teams not part of the college football invitational/popularity contest. It's a feature, not a bug. This isn't about football, it's about money and ASU will never have the dough to be part of the old boys club no matter how good we are on the field.
Good thing the football team and AppState powers that be don't have your attitude. Defeated before you start is a tough attitude to win with.

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Every 2 or 3 years sounds like a lot of fun.

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Re: 5+7 model close to passing. G5 would still get screwed

Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:29 pm

spacemonkey wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:01 am
fjblair wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:52 am
Some of you need to confront reality, other than a once in a blue moon great season G-5 teams not part of the college football invitational/popularity contest. It's a feature, not a bug. This isn't about football, it's about money and ASU will never have the dough to be part of the old boys club no matter how good we are on the field.
Good thing the football team and AppState powers that be don't have your attitude. Defeated before you start is a tough attitude to win with.

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How often does a blue moon happen? Normally blue moons occur about every two or three years. In 2018, unusually, we had two blue moons in one year and only two months apart – and one was a lunar eclipse! The next time we will get two blue moons in a year will be 2037.

Every 2 or 3 years sounds like a lot of fun.
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Re: 5+7 model close to passing. G5 would still get screwed

Unread post by appdaze » Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:57 pm

If you don't get it at this point then you just aren't going to get it. They will do whatever it takes to keep the mo ey at the top. When and if they can they will keep any and all G5 out and yes, I'd wager many years that will be the case.

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Re: 5+7 model close to passing. G5 would still get screwed

Unread post by spacemonkey » Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:15 pm

appdaze wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:57 pm
If you don't get it at this point then you just aren't going to get it. They will do whatever it takes to keep the mo ey at the top. When and if they can they will keep any and all G5 out and yes, I'd wager many years that will be the case.
You may be right, but it will be very interesting who is willing to pay to watch the Tarheels when they have to pay to do it. The NC State fans will be the first to have to pay but the Tarheels wont be far behind. Peacock had a bunch of NFL fans pissed this year. It is just a matter of time before the field gets more and more "have nots" find out that the struggles are real. Do you think NC State and Wake fans will care about the Tarheels once they are not included? I think the model is broken and teams with fans will survive. The next realignment and where App lands will be telling. One more thing....the more the big schools are left out of the 12 team playoff..it will expand again.

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Re: 5+7 model close to passing. G5 would still get screwed

Unread post by citroknight » Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:18 am

appdaze wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:57 pm
If you don't get it at this point then you just aren't going to get it. They will do whatever it takes to keep the mo ey at the top. When and if they can they will keep any and all G5 out and yes, I'd wager many years that will be the case.
The 5+7 model will still guarantee 1 G5 spot every year. But getting a 2nd G5 in one of at large spots will take all the planets aligning. There won't be any boxing out of the G5 just yet. But if the B1G and SEC start pushing for no conference champ autobids, just at large, then it's time to sound the alarm.

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Unread post by Black Saturday » Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:14 am

Next stop...Welcome to the glorified FCS, Back to the Future. Enjoy the world of not being able to be part of the Country Club as usual. Maybe we get our own playoff, would be the truffle in this pigsty since we will be excluded.
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Unread post by appdaze » Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:22 am

citroknight wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:18 am
appdaze wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:57 pm
If you don't get it at this point then you just aren't going to get it. They will do whatever it takes to keep the mo ey at the top. When and if they can they will keep any and all G5 out and yes, I'd wager many years that will be the case.
The 5+7 model will still guarantee 1 G5 spot every year. But getting a 2nd G5 in one of at large spots will take all the planets aligning. There won't be any boxing out of the G5 just yet. But if the B1G and SEC start pushing for no conference champ autobids, just at large, then it's time to sound the alarm.
From what I read that is untrue. It will take the top 5 ranked co Terence Champs and the next 7 top ranked teams. Acc, sec, big 10, big 12, pac 12. That is 5. A g5 will have to outrank the conference Champs from those conferences. That is how they plan to mostly lock out g5. There could be a string of years where no g5 is represented at all in the 12 team tourney.

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Unread post by BallantyneApp » Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:38 am

spacemonkey wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:43 am
This format gave me and App what we needed. This officially made the "P5/G5" a made up term. Our conference is not limited by a contract naming who gets automatic qualifiers. The conference has to earn it or one of their teams have to earn it. The Sunbelt add campaign is so true now...."Together we rise"

There will be more conference shuffling. The CFP money is going to go to the teams that earn it.

The only thing left to complete my wants is a NIT football playoff with all conference champs left out of the CFP playoff. Conference champ 6 thru 9 with the top rated teams left out of the CFP and that playoff contract money goes to the teams in that tournament/playoff.
I mean yeah I guess 2 G5 champs could theoretically be in the top 12 but let’s be honest. The playoff committee uses secret metrics. It took Cincinnati 2 years of being undefeated beating a top 10 notre dame (only reg season loss for nd) and lackluster pac,b12 and Acc football champions for it to happen.

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Unread post by ggasu » Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:39 am

Group of 5 got inclusion in the 6 year extension.

The G5 reps insisted on that, to agree to the 5+7 model.

Could have gotten 2 teams in for 2 years with 6+6, but most likely would have been excluded after that.

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Re: 5+7 model close to passing. G5 would still get screwed

Unread post by Rick83 » Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:41 am

appdaze wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:22 am
citroknight wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:18 am
appdaze wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:57 pm
If you don't get it at this point then you just aren't going to get it. They will do whatever it takes to keep the mo ey at the top. When and if they can they will keep any and all G5 out and yes, I'd wager many years that will be the case.
The 5+7 model will still guarantee 1 G5 spot every year. But getting a 2nd G5 in one of at large spots will take all the planets aligning. There won't be any boxing out of the G5 just yet. But if the B1G and SEC start pushing for no conference champ autobids, just at large, then it's time to sound the alarm.
From what I read that is untrue. It will take the top 5 ranked co Terence Champs and the next 7 top ranked teams. Acc, sec, big 10, big 12, pac 12. That is 5. A g5 will have to outrank the conference Champs from those conferences. That is how they plan to mostly lock out g5. There could be a string of years where no g5 is represented at all in the 12 team tourney.
The PAC 12 has melted down and is no longer considered a power conference. That's why they're changing the format from the top 6 conference champions + 6 at large to the top 5 conference champions + 7 at large.

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Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:43 am

Basically Liberty can play one tough power school and if they pull off the win can run over their sad conference and beat out a really good Belt champ who might go 11-2 but the Belt overall would typically be tougher.

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Re: 5+7 model close to passing. G5 would still get screwed

Unread post by appdaze » Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:56 am

Rick83 wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:41 am
appdaze wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:22 am
citroknight wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:18 am
appdaze wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:57 pm
If you don't get it at this point then you just aren't going to get it. They will do whatever it takes to keep the mo ey at the top. When and if they can they will keep any and all G5 out and yes, I'd wager many years that will be the case.
The 5+7 model will still guarantee 1 G5 spot every year. But getting a 2nd G5 in one of at large spots will take all the planets aligning. There won't be any boxing out of the G5 just yet. But if the B1G and SEC start pushing for no conference champ autobids, just at large, then it's time to sound the alarm.
From what I read that is untrue. It will take the top 5 ranked co Terence Champs and the next 7 top ranked teams. Acc, sec, big 10, big 12, pac 12. That is 5. A g5 will have to outrank the conference Champs from those conferences. That is how they plan to mostly lock out g5. There could be a string of years where no g5 is represented at all in the 12 team tourney.
The PAC 12 has melted down and is no longer considered a power conference. That's why they're changing the format from the top 6 conference champions + 6 at large to the top 5 conference champions + 7 at large.
They will still be considered above the belt if they poach the decent teams ive seen spoken about. Whether they absorb the MWC or join it the powers that be would take them over the Sbc. Oregon state, Washington state, Hawaii, SDSU, Nevada, air force, Boise state to name a few that are more nationally known. So whatever that becomes will be the baby P5.

All that said, I do think being in the SBC will shield App from the shit storm that's coming. We've beat this horse dead on here but not all the P5 schools will be able to keep up financially and this bubble will burst like any market that overheats. Not getting caught in that will probably save the future of App sports.

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