September 7, 2024

[bcoach]

I’m willing to bet that if someone pulled the stats for G5 wins over P5’s for the past 30 years you would generally see that a great majority of those wins were against P5’s on either declines or down years- UNC and USC the year we beat them both. Conversely the G5’s who won were probably really good. Not a profound statement I’ll admit but generally speaking to beat a solid P5 at their place, early in the season it takes a nearly flawless performance and usually the 4th quarter lasts an eternity. When we beat Carolina I listened to most of the second half on the radio and I thought it would never end.

UNC fans have been pushing the narrative for years that they were "rebuilding" or "having a bad year" when we beat them in 2019 and I've seen it creeping into our own fanbase as well the last couple of years. It is not true. They went 7-6 in 2019 with a bowl victory, meaning they would have finished 8-5 had they beaten us. Their records the two seasons before that? 3-9 and 2-9. The following season (2020) they finished 8-4. They have averaged 6.8 wins per year the last 10 seasons. So the reality is that they were significantly improved in 2019 and actually slightly better than usual. This doesn't disprove your overall point because they weren't a phenomenal team in 2019 by any means, but do not let anyone claim that they were having a bad/down year.

I was about to write the same thing written above and then found someone had already pointed it out. We are as good as most ACC teams....maybe not better but should be able to hang with 5 through 16 every year. Maybe we would be .500 but I don't think we would be a cellar dweller.

Well to be realistic there is a difference between playing them one time a year and playing them every week.

[Saint3333]

I’m willing to bet that if someone pulled the stats for G5 wins over P5’s for the past 30 years you would generally see that a great majority of those wins were against P5’s on either declines or down years- UNC and USC the year we beat them both. Conversely the G5’s who won were probably really good. Not a profound statement I’ll admit but generally speaking to beat a solid P5 at their place, early in the season it takes a nearly flawless performance and usually the 4th quarter lasts an eternity. When we beat Carolina I listened to most of the second half on the radio and I thought it would never end.

UNC fans have been pushing the narrative for years that they were "rebuilding" or "having a bad year" when we beat them in 2019 and I've seen it creeping into our own fanbase as well the last couple of years. It is not true. They went 7-6 in 2019 with a bowl victory, meaning they would have finished 8-5 had they beaten us. Their records the two seasons before that? 3-9 and 2-9. The following season (2020) they finished 8-4. They have averaged 6.8 wins per year the last 10 seasons. So the reality is that they were significantly improved in 2019 and actually slightly better than usual. This doesn't disprove your overall point because they weren't a phenomenal team in 2019 by any means, but do not let anyone claim that they were having a bad/down year.

I was about to write the same thing written above and then found someone had already pointed it out. We are as good as most ACC teams....maybe not better but should be able to hang with 5 through 16 every year. Maybe we would be .500 but I don't think we would be a cellar dweller.

Well to be realistic there is a difference between playing them one time a year and playing them every week.

I got this argument when we were FCS, but now we have the same number of scholarships it seems hollow.

Depth matters and we have that now.

[bcoach]

I’m willing to bet that if someone pulled the stats for G5 wins over P5’s for the past 30 years you would generally see that a great majority of those wins were against P5’s on either declines or down years- UNC and USC the year we beat them both. Conversely the G5’s who won were probably really good. Not a profound statement I’ll admit but generally speaking to beat a solid P5 at their place, early in the season it takes a nearly flawless performance and usually the 4th quarter lasts an eternity. When we beat Carolina I listened to most of the second half on the radio and I thought it would never end.

UNC fans have been pushing the narrative for years that they were "rebuilding" or "having a bad year" when we beat them in 2019 and I've seen it creeping into our own fanbase as well the last couple of years. It is not true. They went 7-6 in 2019 with a bowl victory, meaning they would have finished 8-5 had they beaten us. Their records the two seasons before that? 3-9 and 2-9. The following season (2020) they finished 8-4. They have averaged 6.8 wins per year the last 10 seasons. So the reality is that they were significantly improved in 2019 and actually slightly better than usual. This doesn't disprove your overall point because they weren't a phenomenal team in 2019 by any means, but do not let anyone claim that they were having a bad/down year.

I was about to write the same thing written above and then found someone had already pointed it out. We are as good as most ACC teams....maybe not better but should be able to hang with 5 through 16 every year. Maybe we would be .500 but I don't think we would be a cellar dweller.

Well to be realistic there is a difference between playing them one time a year and playing them every week.

I got this argument when we were FCS, but now we have the same number of scholarships it seems hollow.

Depth matters and we have that now.

Well it is not the same depth any more than it is the same starters. There is just a real difference in who you play week after week.

[Black Saturday]

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[AtlAppMan]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 40ea&ei=13

So a G5 moves into the ACC and immediately becomes middle of the pack?

Humm, when you are G5 you are beneath them but now you are in you are automatically accepted as an equal.

[Black Saturday]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 40ea&ei=13

So a G5 moves into the ACC and immediately becomes middle of the pack?

Humm, when you are G5 you are beneath them but now you are in you are automatically accepted as an equal.

APP and ECU with whatever shortcomings, would make more sense than SMU and Stanford.

[BambooRdApp]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 40ea&ei=13

So a G5 moves into the ACC and immediately becomes middle of the pack?

Humm, when you are G5 you are beneath them but now you are in you are automatically accepted as an equal.

APP and ECU with whatever shortcomings, would make more sense than SMU and Stanford.

I get it. But not for TV markets. SMU gives ACC a Texas presence... whatever it is worth given Horns and Aggies are primary.

[AppSt94]

Not to mention SMU comes into the conference on their own dime.

[Saint3333]

Who gave Boston College a first place vote, must have fat-fingered that ballot.

SMU should thrive in the NIL era, they've been running that playbook since the 80s.

[311neers]

I’m willing to bet that if someone pulled the stats for G5 wins over P5’s for the past 30 years you would generally see that a great majority of those wins were against P5’s on either declines or down years- UNC and USC the year we beat them both. Conversely the G5’s who won were probably really good. Not a profound statement I’ll admit but generally speaking to beat a solid P5 at their place, early in the season it takes a nearly flawless performance and usually the 4th quarter lasts an eternity. When we beat Carolina I listened to most of the second half on the radio and I thought it would never end.

UNC fans have been pushing the narrative for years that they were "rebuilding" or "having a bad year" when we beat them in 2019 and I've seen it creeping into our own fanbase as well the last couple of years. It is not true. They went 7-6 in 2019 with a bowl victory, meaning they would have finished 8-5 had they beaten us. Their records the two seasons before that? 3-9 and 2-9. The following season (2020) they finished 8-4. They have averaged 6.8 wins per year the last 10 seasons. So the reality is that they were significantly improved in 2019 and actually slightly better than usual. This doesn't disprove your overall point because they weren't a phenomenal team in 2019 by any means, but do not let anyone claim that they were having a bad/down year.

I was about to write the same thing written above and then found someone had already pointed it out. We are as good as most ACC teams....maybe not better but should be able to hang with 5 through 16 every year. Maybe we would be .500 but I don't think we would be a cellar dweller.

Well to be realistic there is a difference between playing them one time a year and playing them every week.

ACC fans do not understand this, especially Clemson fans. "Oh, we would go undefeated in the SEC every year". Florida, Tennessee, Bama, Georgia, LSU, Ole Miss, A&M (Vandy, I'll throw them a cupcake) Auburn, and now Texas and OU. "But we beat Auburn", okay try playing an Auburn 8 times in a row. There is nowhere to hide and IMO this is why ND won't join a conference (outside of their crazy money contract with NBC) and why Clemson has been timid to leave the ACC.

[AppWyo]

Who gave Boston College a first place vote, must have fat-fingered that ballot.

SMU should thrive in the NIL era, they've been running that playbook since the 80s.

It was earlier than that when Hayden Fry was pushed out by the boosters.
After a 7–4 season in 1972, Fry was fired at SMU, which robbed the Mustangs of a bowl berth.

Hayden Fry compiled a 49–66–1 record in 11 seasons at SMU, including the school's only three winning seasons since the late 1940s. In Fry's autobiography, Fry stated that he believed his firing was related to several boosters' desire to start a slush fund to pay players and recruits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayden_Fry

[Black Saturday]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 40ea&ei=13

So a G5 moves into the ACC and immediately becomes middle of the pack?

Humm, when you are G5 you are beneath them but now you are in you are automatically accepted as an equal.

APP and ECU with whatever shortcomings, would make more sense than SMU and Stanford.

I get it. But not for TV markets. SMU gives ACC a Texas presence... whatever it is worth given Horns and Aggies are primary.

Empty seats?

[BambooRdApp]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 40ea&ei=13

So a G5 moves into the ACC and immediately becomes middle of the pack?

Humm, when you are G5 you are beneath them but now you are in you are automatically accepted as an equal.

APP and ECU with whatever shortcomings, would make more sense than SMU and Stanford.

I get it. But not for TV markets. SMU gives ACC a Texas presence... whatever it is worth given Horns and Aggies are primary.

Empty seats?

TV contacts more than make up for empty seats. No more than Boston college game at chapel hill

[Black Saturday]

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[AppSt94]

The full list. App is #42 and the 4th highest ranked G5.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... -rankings/

[Black Saturday]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 523c6&ei=9

[AtlAppMan]

I’m willing to bet that if someone pulled the stats for G5 wins over P5’s for the past 30 years you would generally see that a great majority of those wins were against P5’s on either declines or down years- UNC and USC the year we beat them both. Conversely the G5’s who won were probably really good. Not a profound statement I’ll admit but generally speaking to beat a solid P5 at their place, early in the season it takes a nearly flawless performance and usually the 4th quarter lasts an eternity. When we beat Carolina I listened to most of the second half on the radio and I thought it would never end.

UNC fans have been pushing the narrative for years that they were "rebuilding" or "having a bad year" when we beat them in 2019 and I've seen it creeping into our own fanbase as well the last couple of years. It is not true. They went 7-6 in 2019 with a bowl victory, meaning they would have finished 8-5 had they beaten us. Their records the two seasons before that? 3-9 and 2-9. The following season (2020) they finished 8-4. They have averaged 6.8 wins per year the last 10 seasons. So the reality is that they were significantly improved in 2019 and actually slightly better than usual. This doesn't disprove your overall point because they weren't a phenomenal team in 2019 by any means, but do not let anyone claim that they were having a bad/down year.

I was about to write the same thing written above and then found someone had already pointed it out. We are as good as most ACC teams....maybe not better but should be able to hang with 5 through 16 every year. Maybe we would be .500 but I don't think we would be a cellar dweller.

Well to be realistic there is a difference between playing them one time a year and playing them every week.

ACC fans do not understand this, especially Clemson fans. "Oh, we would go undefeated in the SEC every year". Florida, Tennessee, Bama, Georgia, LSU, Ole Miss, A&M (Vandy, I'll throw them a cupcake) Auburn, and now Texas and OU. "But we beat Auburn", okay try playing an Auburn 8 times in a row. There is nowhere to hide and IMO this is why ND won't join a conference (outside of their crazy money contract with NBC) and why Clemson has been timid to leave the ACC.

I don’t think any sane Clemson fan thinks they would go undefeated in the SEC year over year. I just think they believe there is a HUGE gap in revenue (ACC vs SEC) to share thus believing with an SEC rev model they can stay near top plus there will be more SEC teams getting into CFP and therefore their chances would be improved.

On ND, up to this point they are the only school that can have their own TV contract and revenue. They have owned their own destiny and revenue stream not shared or influenced by a dozen other schools. Why give that up? If App could have that model we would jump on it in a heartbeat. No shame in that model if they can maintain it. Question is will it last in new world order.

Bottom line is everybody now wants to maximize revenue first and then as a byproduct knowing that helps you field a more competitive product. It doesn’t guarantee success on field but it sure helps. Then if you are not at top but competitive you still feel good because your monetary results still look good.

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