September 7, 2024

[AppySprayberry]

So by saying that they weren’t that good and we beat them by 2 points, aren’t you basically proving the point that even a good G5 would have a hard time beating a bad P5?

I stated in both of my posts that I wasn't disputing that point. I highlighted the specific item I was disagreeing with.

[AppSt94]

So by saying that they weren’t that good and we beat them by 2 points, aren’t you basically proving the point that even a good G5 would have a hard time beating a bad P5?

I stated in both of my posts that I wasn't disputing that point. I highlighted the specific item I was disagreeing with.

They were what they were. I was just pointing out why the game went the way it went. Everything happens for a reason and to suggest that it was a false narrative or an excuse is just that. It really doesn’t matter what the final score was. App came out on top. But whether you want to acknowledge it or not, there was some luck needed to get to that point. Two great plays by Meech resulted in 14 points. Those plays have to happen for an underdog to have a chance. Time to move on. Have a great afternoon.

[AppySprayberry]

So by saying that they weren’t that good and we beat them by 2 points, aren’t you basically proving the point that even a good G5 would have a hard time beating a bad P5?

I stated in both of my posts that I wasn't disputing that point. I highlighted the specific item I was disagreeing with.

They were what they were. I was just pointing out why the game went the way it went. Everything happens for a reason and to suggest that it was a false narrative or an excuse is just that. It really doesn’t matter what the final score was. App came out on top. But whether you want to acknowledge it or not, there was some luck needed to get to that point. Two great plays by Meech resulted in 14 points. Those plays have to happen for an underdog to have a chance. Time to move on. Have a great afternoon.

Whether there was luck needed or not has nothing to do with my point, which all along has been that by the numbers, UNC was not on a decline or having a "down" year when we beat them in 2019. You are making a different argument which I don't necessarily think is invalid, but it does not disprove my point which I've already outlined with previous years' records and average wins. We are saying two different things.

[Saint3333]

We were only two points better than them because Drink took his foot off the gas. We were 10-14 points better than them that day.

Almost happened vs SC too.

[Black Saturday]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 110f&ei=18

[Black Saturday]

Not Very Flattering at #8

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 1bcef&ei=7

[AppSt94]

Seems pretty fair considering the teams ahead of us.

[Black Saturday]

Seems pretty fair considering the teams ahead of us.

Where is the Mountaineer Pride my friend? We can't be realists all the time. How in the name of creation are we ever going to make a 12-team playoff being a #8 on a top 20's schedule when we potentially could be looking at our best team since 2018? Hell may hath to freeze over first or we need another couple of the all inclusive playoff expansions to 64?


Focus on a conference championship and something better than the Dirty Myrtle Bowl.

[huskie3]

#8 but did rate it 50/50.

[AppSt94]

Seems pretty fair considering the teams ahead of us.

Where is the Mountaineer Pride my friend? We can't be realists all the time. How in the name of creation are we ever going to make a 12-team playoff being a #8 on a top 20's schedule when we potentially could be looking at our best team since 2018? Hell may hath to freeze over first or we need another couple of the all inclusive playoff expansions to 64?


Focus on a conference championship and something better than the Dirty Myrtle Bowl.

I am wired for pragmatism and realism. I can’t help it. I do feel like we match up fairly well with them outside of their DL and our OL.

[Apple@chin1]

Seems pretty fair considering the teams ahead of us.

Where is the Mountaineer Pride my friend? We can't be realists all the time. How in the name of creation are we ever going to make a 12-team playoff being a #8 on a top 20's schedule when we potentially could be looking at our best team since 2018? Hell may hath to freeze over first or we need another couple of the all inclusive playoff expansions to 64?


Focus on a conference championship and something better than the Dirty Myrtle Bowl.

I am wired for pragmatism and realism. I can’t help it. I do feel like we match up fairly well with them outside of their DL and our OL.

Our OL didn’t match up well against UM’s DL either.

[AtlAppMan]

My ranking
1. UGA
2. FSU
3. NC State
4. USC
5. App State

Not ranked but below us
Va Tech
Louisville
Wake
Pitt
Stanford
UVA
Citadel

[Black Saturday]

See APP ST anywhere?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 9fd2&ei=10

[AppWyo]

See APP ST anywhere?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 9fd2&ei=10

We have to be ranked 8th on Clemson's schedule to be a trap game, but to be Liberty's toughest game does not speak well of C-USA.

[Goapps06]

Liberty 2024 strength of schedule is 132 out of 134...

[hapapp]

My ranking
1. UGA
2. FSU
3. NC State
4. USC
5. App State

Not ranked but below us
Va Tech
Louisville
Wake
Pitt
Stanford
UVA
Citadel

They have to travel to both Tech and Pitt. PItt ranked just ahead of us and an argument can be made we could be a tougher opponent. Going into Blacksburg won't be an easy trip and this Tech team is going to be tough this year. I would say at best 6, depending on UL's season.

[AppWyo]

Liberty 2024 strength of schedule is 132 out of 134...

I think about all the conferences that passed on App and GS when they had the chance and I imagine they are all kicking themselves for their shortsightedness. However, the Sun Belt chose App and GS our of desperation to save their conference and may not have chosen us had things been different.

You know C-USA was really desperate to chose Liberty when the SoCon would not chose them when they got football and Coastal Carolina either.

[spacemonkey]

I’m willing to bet that if someone pulled the stats for G5 wins over P5’s for the past 30 years you would generally see that a great majority of those wins were against P5’s on either declines or down years- UNC and USC the year we beat them both. Conversely the G5’s who won were probably really good. Not a profound statement I’ll admit but generally speaking to beat a solid P5 at their place, early in the season it takes a nearly flawless performance and usually the 4th quarter lasts an eternity. When we beat Carolina I listened to most of the second half on the radio and I thought it would never end.

UNC fans have been pushing the narrative for years that they were "rebuilding" or "having a bad year" when we beat them in 2019 and I've seen it creeping into our own fanbase as well the last couple of years. It is not true. They went 7-6 in 2019 with a bowl victory, meaning they would have finished 8-5 had they beaten us. Their records the two seasons before that? 3-9 and 2-9. The following season (2020) they finished 8-4. They have averaged 6.8 wins per year the last 10 seasons. So the reality is that they were significantly improved in 2019 and actually slightly better than usual. This doesn't disprove your overall point because they weren't a phenomenal team in 2019 by any means, but do not let anyone claim that they were having a bad/down year.

I was about to write the same thing written above and then found someone had already pointed it out. We are as good as most ACC teams....maybe not better but should be able to hang with 5 through 16 every year. Maybe we would be .500 but I don't think we would be a cellar dweller.

[Black Saturday]

Seems pretty fair considering the teams ahead of us.

Where is the Mountaineer Pride my friend? We can't be realists all the time. How in the name of creation are we ever going to make a 12-team playoff being a #8 on a top 20's schedule when we potentially could be looking at our best team since 2018? Hell may hath to freeze over first or we need another couple of the all inclusive playoff expansions to 64?


Focus on a conference championship and something better than the Dirty Myrtle Bowl.

I am wired for pragmatism and realism. I can’t help it. I do feel like we match up fairly well with them outside of their DL and our OL.

Our OL didn’t match up well against UM’s DL either.

Bottom line is their defense didn't match up with a cutting edge new Urban Myer offensive scheme of the time

[Apple@chin1]

Seems pretty fair considering the teams ahead of us.

Where is the Mountaineer Pride my friend? We can't be realists all the time. How in the name of creation are we ever going to make a 12-team playoff being a #8 on a top 20's schedule when we potentially could be looking at our best team since 2018? Hell may hath to freeze over first or we need another couple of the all inclusive playoff expansions to 64?


Focus on a conference championship and something better than the Dirty Myrtle Bowl.

I am wired for pragmatism and realism. I can’t help it. I do feel like we match up fairly well with them outside of their DL and our OL.

Our OL didn’t match up well against UM’s DL either.

Bottom line is their defense didn't match up with a cutting edge new Urban Myer offensive scheme of the time

This statement is exactly why I’m cautiously optimistic about this game. Not that we’re breaking out some new scheme, but we’ve got an unbelievable opportunity in front of us. If we can confuse Klubnik & keep their defense on the field, let our WR’s eat, win the turnover battle, it COULD be a fun Saturday.