September 7, 2024

[AppSt94]

I think their reason is because they expect Klubnik to be closer to what he was rated coming out of high school. If he plays like a 5-star then they should be top 10 and we would probably lose by 20+. If he is more like what we saw last year then I would say they are overrated and should be in the 20-30 range. They did mention in there that his weapons around him don't justify the ranking but a lot of the mistakes by Klubnik last year were on him. He has 2 All-ACC skill players back and 3-4 who are suppose to be really good that just haven't been featured in their offense yet so we will see.

App just played the number three pick to 3 points, twice. There isn't really an excuse for a 20+ point loss to anyone.

I think football is played by more than one player.

I’ve only seen one player that can win a game by himself. Tommy Frazier was amazing.

Vince Young natty game against USC...may be the other

There are. A lot of guys that can dominate a game. I said Frazier because of his run against the Gators where he was touched by all 11 defenders on one TD run.

[Saint3333]

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I think their reason is because they expect Klubnik to be closer to what he was rated coming out of high school. If he plays like a 5-star then they should be top 10 and we would probably lose by 20+. If he is more like what we saw last year then I would say they are overrated and should be in the 20-30 range. They did mention in there that his weapons around him don't justify the ranking but a lot of the mistakes by Klubnik last year were on him. He has 2 All-ACC skill players back and 3-4 who are suppose to be really good that just haven't been featured in their offense yet so we will see.

App just played the number three pick to 3 points, twice. There isn't really an excuse for a 20+ point loss to anyone.

I think football is played by more than one player.

I’ve only seen one player that can win a game by himself. Tommy Frazier was amazing.

Randy Moss and Matt Szcur come to mind.

[AppSt94]

I think their reason is because they expect Klubnik to be closer to what he was rated coming out of high school. If he plays like a 5-star then they should be top 10 and we would probably lose by 20+. If he is more like what we saw last year then I would say they are overrated and should be in the 20-30 range. They did mention in there that his weapons around him don't justify the ranking but a lot of the mistakes by Klubnik last year were on him. He has 2 All-ACC skill players back and 3-4 who are suppose to be really good that just haven't been featured in their offense yet so we will see.

App just played the number three pick to 3 points, twice. There isn't really an excuse for a 20+ point loss to anyone.

I think football is played by more than one player.

I’ve only seen one player that can win a game by himself. Tommy Frazier was amazing.

Randy Moss and Matt Szcur come to mind.

Both were very good.

[AppStFan1]

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I think their reason is because they expect Klubnik to be closer to what he was rated coming out of high school. If he plays like a 5-star then they should be top 10 and we would probably lose by 20+. If he is more like what we saw last year then I would say they are overrated and should be in the 20-30 range. They did mention in there that his weapons around him don't justify the ranking but a lot of the mistakes by Klubnik last year were on him. He has 2 All-ACC skill players back and 3-4 who are suppose to be really good that just haven't been featured in their offense yet so we will see.

App just played the number three pick to 3 points, twice. There isn't really an excuse for a 20+ point loss to anyone.

Just to be clear I don't expect a 20+ loss happening but in football anything can happen. We have had games where we beat a team by 20+ that should have been close and lost some by that margin that never should have gotten that out of hand. We have some questions to our team that are the reason I don't expect to win but if we get good line play on both sides and protect the ball then I think we can win.

What do you think the line will be on the game? I am thinking Clemson will be favored by 10-13.

[Black Saturday]

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I think their reason is because they expect Klubnik to be closer to what he was rated coming out of high school. If he plays like a 5-star then they should be top 10 and we would probably lose by 20+. If he is more like what we saw last year then I would say they are overrated and should be in the 20-30 range. They did mention in there that his weapons around him don't justify the ranking but a lot of the mistakes by Klubnik last year were on him. He has 2 All-ACC skill players back and 3-4 who are suppose to be really good that just haven't been featured in their offense yet so we will see.

App just played the number three pick to 3 points, twice. There isn't really an excuse for a 20+ point loss to anyone.

Just to be clear I don't expect a 20+ loss happening but in football anything can happen. We have had games where we beat a team by 20+ that should have been close and lost some by that margin that never should have gotten that out of hand. We have some questions to our team that are the reason I don't expect to win but if we get good line play on both sides and protect the ball then I think we can win.

What do you think the line will be on the game? I am thinking Clemson will be favored by 10-13.

I agree with APP being a 2 TD dog on September 7 in Death Valley. They say football doesn't adhere to the transitive property of mathematics, but UGa is currently favored by 13.5 over Clemson opening week. Would APP be a 4TD underdog vs. Ga? Most of us think we can have a really good season, but we are 4 TDs from the top tier of college football. Should we make the playoffs, then expect an ass beating of this type.

[InFor6More]

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I think their reason is because they expect Klubnik to be closer to what he was rated coming out of high school. If he plays like a 5-star then they should be top 10 and we would probably lose by 20+. If he is more like what we saw last year then I would say they are overrated and should be in the 20-30 range. They did mention in there that his weapons around him don't justify the ranking but a lot of the mistakes by Klubnik last year were on him. He has 2 All-ACC skill players back and 3-4 who are suppose to be really good that just haven't been featured in their offense yet so we will see.

App just played the number three pick to 3 points, twice. There isn't really an excuse for a 20+ point loss to anyone.

Just to be clear I don't expect a 20+ loss happening but in football anything can happen. We have had games where we beat a team by 20+ that should have been close and lost some by that margin that never should have gotten that out of hand. We have some questions to our team that are the reason I don't expect to win but if we get good line play on both sides and protect the ball then I think we can win.

What do you think the line will be on the game? I am thinking Clemson will be favored by 10-13.

I agree with APP being a 2 TD dog on September 7 in Death Valley. They say football doesn't adhere to the transitive property of mathematics, but UGa is currently favored by 13.5 over Clemson opening week. Would APP be a 4TD underdog vs. Ga? Most of us think we can have a really good season, but we are 4 TDs from the top tier of college football. Should we make the playoffs, then expect an ass beating of this type.

I learned my lesson as a student about expecting a beat down when our guys went into Michigan. The players have to believe they can win and then the line really doesn’t matter all that much. Yes, talent generally wins out on the field but if we go in with swagger and a belief in ourselves, we can hang with anyone.

[Bigdaddyg1]

I’m willing to bet that if someone pulled the stats for G5 wins over P5’s for the past 30 years you would generally see that a great majority of those wins were against P5’s on either declines or down years- UNC and USC the year we beat them both. Conversely the G5’s who won were probably really good. Not a profound statement I’ll admit but generally speaking to beat a solid P5 at their place, early in the season it takes a nearly flawless performance and usually the 4th quarter lasts an eternity. When we beat Carolina I listened to most of the second half on the radio and I thought it would never end.

[AppSt94]

I’m willing to bet that if someone pulled the stats for G5 wins over P5’s for the past 30 years you would generally see that a great majority of those wins were against P5’s on either declines or down years- UNC and USC the year we beat them both. Conversely the G5’s who won were probably really good. Not a profound statement I’ll admit but generally speaking to beat a solid P5 at their place, early in the season it takes a nearly flawless performance and usually the 4th quarter lasts an eternity. When we beat Carolina I listened to most of the second half on the radio and I thought it would never end.

I looked at this a few years ago. The average win total for a victorious G5 was 7 for the season. The average season win total for the losing P5 is around 4. So to your point, it isn’t typical for a good G5 to beat a good P5.

[AppStFan1]

I’m willing to bet that if someone pulled the stats for G5 wins over P5’s for the past 30 years you would generally see that a great majority of those wins were against P5’s on either declines or down years- UNC and USC the year we beat them both. Conversely the G5’s who won were probably really good. Not a profound statement I’ll admit but generally speaking to beat a solid P5 at their place, early in the season it takes a nearly flawless performance and usually the 4th quarter lasts an eternity. When we beat Carolina I listened to most of the second half on the radio and I thought it would never end.

I looked at this a few years ago. The average win total for a victorious G5 was 7 for the season. The average season win total for the losing P5 is around 4. So to your point, it isn’t typical for a good G5 to beat a good P5.

For sure. There are only a small number of times where a G5 beat a 8 win or more P4/5. The win over Michigan was so big as well because Michigan was not really down and they were a legit top 15 team, even looking in hindsight.

[spacemonkey]

My thoughts on this topic. NIL may make it easier for a g5 to beat a top p5. I think NIL and transfer portal will make the top of the FBS less dominant. The money will spread the talent out. (Alabama will no longer have a third string as good as the 10th rated team in the country) It may make it harder to beat the middle p5 teams and lower p5 teams because their money can buy those former Alabama 3rd string.

The numbers will prove this over the next 5 years. If Memphis really has the FEDEX money, I look for them to be the top g5 year in year out until they get the call up.

It surprises me that Georgia Tech has not been able to buy a team yet. Georgia Tech engineers get paid.

[AppSt94]

It will be an interesting situation to monitor. I don’t know if I agree with the statement that NIL will make it easier for a G5 to beat a P5. Having the likes of Joey, Nate and Kanye will help us greatly against Clemson. But we fought off some competition for the first two for sure. NIL isn’t likely going to change the level of the playing field without regulation. If anything, it is likely going to change those top dawgs. Let’s see how Alabama looks without Saban. Alabama got the good kids because Saban’s coaching could develop their talent for the next level. DeBoer is a fine coach, but let’s see how his style translates to Bama. Using NIL to buy talent doesn’t equate to a talented team.

[Bigdaddyg1]

It will probably be a few more years until there are viable statistics showing the return on NIL (so to speak). Are all of the top earners really worth the investment? Do some of them dog it on the field and give a half hearted effort and simply collect checks? There is still a traditional route to the pros for players who work hard and put up numbers.

[AppSt94]

It will probably be a few more years until there are viable statistics showing the return on NIL (so to speak). Are all of the top earners really worth the investment? Do some of them dog it on the field and give a half hearted effort and simply collect checks? There is still a traditional route to the pros for players who work hard and put up numbers.

The guys at any school for NIL won’t be playing if they are dogging it or giving a half hearted effort. Coaches play the guys that put in the work and can rely on them to get the job done. A coach that plays guys to satisfy a fan base or in the interest of a donor that spent money on his favorite RB is going to lose his team pretty quick and then his job.The hardest job a coach has isn’t recruiting talent, or developing talent. The hardest job they have is motivating the unmotivated. If you have guys that don’t want to work as a team, then there is no team.

[AppySprayberry]

I’m willing to bet that if someone pulled the stats for G5 wins over P5’s for the past 30 years you would generally see that a great majority of those wins were against P5’s on either declines or down years- UNC and USC the year we beat them both. Conversely the G5’s who won were probably really good. Not a profound statement I’ll admit but generally speaking to beat a solid P5 at their place, early in the season it takes a nearly flawless performance and usually the 4th quarter lasts an eternity. When we beat Carolina I listened to most of the second half on the radio and I thought it would never end.

UNC fans have been pushing the narrative for years that they were "rebuilding" or "having a bad year" when we beat them in 2019 and I've seen it creeping into our own fanbase as well the last couple of years. It is not true. They went 7-6 in 2019 with a bowl victory, meaning they would have finished 8-5 had they beaten us. Their records the two seasons before that? 3-9 and 2-9. The following season (2020) they finished 8-4. They have averaged 6.8 wins per year the last 10 seasons. So the reality is that they were significantly improved in 2019 and actually slightly better than usual. This doesn't disprove your overall point because they weren't a phenomenal team in 2019 by any means, but do not let anyone claim that they were having a bad/down year.

[311neers]

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I think their reason is because they expect Klubnik to be closer to what he was rated coming out of high school. If he plays like a 5-star then they should be top 10 and we would probably lose by 20+. If he is more like what we saw last year then I would say they are overrated and should be in the 20-30 range. They did mention in there that his weapons around him don't justify the ranking but a lot of the mistakes by Klubnik last year were on him. He has 2 All-ACC skill players back and 3-4 who are suppose to be really good that just haven't been featured in their offense yet so we will see.

App just played the number three pick to 3 points, twice. There isn't really an excuse for a 20+ point loss to anyone.

Just to be clear I don't expect a 20+ loss happening but in football anything can happen. We have had games where we beat a team by 20+ that should have been close and lost some by that margin that never should have gotten that out of hand. We have some questions to our team that are the reason I don't expect to win but if we get good line play on both sides and protect the ball then I think we can win.

What do you think the line will be on the game? I am thinking Clemson will be favored by 10-13.

I agree with APP being a 2 TD dog on September 7 in Death Valley. They say football doesn't adhere to the transitive property of mathematics, but UGa is currently favored by 13.5 over Clemson opening week. Would APP be a 4TD underdog vs. Ga? Most of us think we can have a really good season, but we are 4 TDs from the top tier of college football. Should we make the playoffs, then expect an ass beating of this type.

I'd feel good about playing any team in a neutral environment outside of UGA, Bama, OSU, Michigan, Oregon, Texas, OU. Anyone else, we can hang with.

[AppSt94]

I’m willing to bet that if someone pulled the stats for G5 wins over P5’s for the past 30 years you would generally see that a great majority of those wins were against P5’s on either declines or down years- UNC and USC the year we beat them both. Conversely the G5’s who won were probably really good. Not a profound statement I’ll admit but generally speaking to beat a solid P5 at their place, early in the season it takes a nearly flawless performance and usually the 4th quarter lasts an eternity. When we beat Carolina I listened to most of the second half on the radio and I thought it would never end.

UNC fans have been pushing the narrative for years that they were "rebuilding" or "having a bad year" when we beat them in 2019 and I've seen it creeping into our own fanbase as well the last couple of years. It is not true. They went 7-6 in 2019 with a bowl victory, meaning they would have finished 8-5 had they beaten us. Their records the two seasons before that? 3-9 and 2-9. The following season (2020) they finished 8-4. They have averaged 6.8 wins per year the last 10 seasons. So the reality is that they were significantly improved in 2019 and actually slightly better than usual. This doesn't disprove your overall point because they weren't a phenomenal team in 2019 by any means, but do not let anyone claim that they were having a bad/down year.

I would say that the team the App faced in Week 2 of 2019 was not the same team as they went along in the season. Sam Howell was a true freshman making his second start and it isn’t like we blew them out. I think that it would be fair to say that a 13-1 G5 team might be on par with a 7-6 P5 team.

[AppySprayberry]

I’m willing to bet that if someone pulled the stats for G5 wins over P5’s for the past 30 years you would generally see that a great majority of those wins were against P5’s on either declines or down years- UNC and USC the year we beat them both. Conversely the G5’s who won were probably really good. Not a profound statement I’ll admit but generally speaking to beat a solid P5 at their place, early in the season it takes a nearly flawless performance and usually the 4th quarter lasts an eternity. When we beat Carolina I listened to most of the second half on the radio and I thought it would never end.

UNC fans have been pushing the narrative for years that they were "rebuilding" or "having a bad year" when we beat them in 2019 and I've seen it creeping into our own fanbase as well the last couple of years. It is not true. They went 7-6 in 2019 with a bowl victory, meaning they would have finished 8-5 had they beaten us. Their records the two seasons before that? 3-9 and 2-9. The following season (2020) they finished 8-4. They have averaged 6.8 wins per year the last 10 seasons. So the reality is that they were significantly improved in 2019 and actually slightly better than usual. This doesn't disprove your overall point because they weren't a phenomenal team in 2019 by any means, but do not let anyone claim that they were having a bad/down year.

I would say that the team the App faced in Week 2 of 2019 was not the same team as they went along in the season. Sam Howell was a true freshman making his second start and it isn’t like we blew them out. I think that it would be fair to say that a 13-1 G5 team might be on par with a 7-6 P5 team.

Interesting, these are the things I'd expect a UNC fan to follow with after refuting the claim that 2019 was a down year for them. Literally speaking it was the same team. They may have improved over the course of the season, and we may have too. Most teams do. Wins and losses count the same regardless of when they fall on the schedule. Sam Howell was a future NFL starting quarterback and warmed up against an SEC team the week before, albeit a bad one. He of all people shouldn't be a source of excuses for why they lost that game.

Again, I'm not intending to argue how good the average G5 or P5 team is when the G5 team wins the game, just have an issue with the false narrative that 2019 was a bad year for them. Then again, we finished 6-6 and they finished 9-5 in 2022 when they beat us by 2, but the argument then becomes that it was our super bowl and they didn't care about the game. I get it.

[bcoach]

I’m willing to bet that if someone pulled the stats for G5 wins over P5’s for the past 30 years you would generally see that a great majority of those wins were against P5’s on either declines or down years- UNC and USC the year we beat them both. Conversely the G5’s who won were probably really good. Not a profound statement I’ll admit but generally speaking to beat a solid P5 at their place, early in the season it takes a nearly flawless performance and usually the 4th quarter lasts an eternity. When we beat Carolina I listened to most of the second half on the radio and I thought it would never end.

UNC fans have been pushing the narrative for years that they were "rebuilding" or "having a bad year" when we beat them in 2019 and I've seen it creeping into our own fanbase as well the last couple of years. It is not true. They went 7-6 in 2019 with a bowl victory, meaning they would have finished 8-5 had they beaten us. Their records the two seasons before that? 3-9 and 2-9. The following season (2020) they finished 8-4. They have averaged 6.8 wins per year the last 10 seasons. So the reality is that they were significantly improved in 2019 and actually slightly better than usual. This doesn't disprove your overall point because they weren't a phenomenal team in 2019 by any means, but do not let anyone claim that they were having a bad/down year.

I would say that the team the App faced in Week 2 of 2019 was not the same team as they went along in the season. Sam Howell was a true freshman making his second start and it isn’t like we blew them out. I think that it would be fair to say that a 13-1 G5 team might be on par with a 7-6 P5 team.

Interesting, these are the things I'd expect a UNC fan to follow with after refuting the claim that 2019 was a down year for them. Literally speaking it was the same team. They may have improved over the course of the season, and we may have too. Most teams do. Wins and losses count the same regardless of when they fall on the schedule. Sam Howell was a future NFL starting quarterback and warmed up against an SEC team the week before, albeit a bad one. He of all people shouldn't be a source of excuses for why they lost that game.

Again, I'm not intending to argue how good the average G5 or P5 team is when the G5 team wins the game, just have an issue with the false narrative that 2019 was a bad year for them. Then again, we finished 6-6 and they finished 9-5 in 2022 when they beat us by 2, but the argument then becomes that it was our super bowl and they didn't care about the game. I get it.

Regardless of whether it was a down year they just were not that good. I sure amd not a unc fan either. I hate them and really never want to play them.

[AppySprayberry]

I’m willing to bet that if someone pulled the stats for G5 wins over P5’s for the past 30 years you would generally see that a great majority of those wins were against P5’s on either declines or down years- UNC and USC the year we beat them both. Conversely the G5’s who won were probably really good. Not a profound statement I’ll admit but generally speaking to beat a solid P5 at their place, early in the season it takes a nearly flawless performance and usually the 4th quarter lasts an eternity. When we beat Carolina I listened to most of the second half on the radio and I thought it would never end.

UNC fans have been pushing the narrative for years that they were "rebuilding" or "having a bad year" when we beat them in 2019 and I've seen it creeping into our own fanbase as well the last couple of years. It is not true. They went 7-6 in 2019 with a bowl victory, meaning they would have finished 8-5 had they beaten us. Their records the two seasons before that? 3-9 and 2-9. The following season (2020) they finished 8-4. They have averaged 6.8 wins per year the last 10 seasons. So the reality is that they were significantly improved in 2019 and actually slightly better than usual. This doesn't disprove your overall point because they weren't a phenomenal team in 2019 by any means, but do not let anyone claim that they were having a bad/down year.

I would say that the team the App faced in Week 2 of 2019 was not the same team as they went along in the season. Sam Howell was a true freshman making his second start and it isn’t like we blew them out. I think that it would be fair to say that a 13-1 G5 team might be on par with a 7-6 P5 team.

Interesting, these are the things I'd expect a UNC fan to follow with after refuting the claim that 2019 was a down year for them. Literally speaking it was the same team. They may have improved over the course of the season, and we may have too. Most teams do. Wins and losses count the same regardless of when they fall on the schedule. Sam Howell was a future NFL starting quarterback and warmed up against an SEC team the week before, albeit a bad one. He of all people shouldn't be a source of excuses for why they lost that game.

Again, I'm not intending to argue how good the average G5 or P5 team is when the G5 team wins the game, just have an issue with the false narrative that 2019 was a bad year for them. Then again, we finished 6-6 and they finished 9-5 in 2022 when they beat us by 2, but the argument then becomes that it was our super bowl and they didn't care about the game. I get it.

Regardless of whether it was a down year they just were not that good. I sure amd not a unc fan either. I hate them and really never want to play them.

Agreed that they were not that good. But they also weren't on a decline/having a down year.

[AppSt94]

So by saying that they weren’t that good and we beat them by 2 points, aren’t you basically proving the point that even a good G5 would have a hard time beating a bad P5?