September 7, 2024
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Re: September 7, 2024
Simply stated 13-0 with a win over Clemson get us in the CFB playoffs.
Not a stated goal, but we do "realistically" (more likely than not threshold) do control our destiny. Just as Boise does theirs at 13-0 with a win over Oregon.
The odds of two G5s with that resume is less than a 1% likelihood. The only one with a likelihood greater than 2% is JMU and we control that outcome.
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Not a stated goal, but we do "realistically" (more likely than not threshold) do control our destiny. Just as Boise does theirs at 13-0 with a win over Oregon.
The odds of two G5s with that resume is less than a 1% likelihood. The only one with a likelihood greater than 2% is JMU and we control that outcome.
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Re: September 7, 2024
Heard Clark in an interview on WFNZ last week, he clearly stated that the goal was to make the playoff, I don’t know why that wouldn’t be goal, easy or not.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:26 amThe CFP is an invitational tournament. There is no, “do this and you are in.” There is no formula for entry that can’t be manipulated to allow who gets in. Just look at FSU last year. They did everything right and still didn’t get in. Whether you play 4 or expand to 12, it’s still the same bullshit in that you can’t play your way in. Particularly for a G5. If App and Boise both were to go 13-0, do you think both are going to get in? No. Sure, your goal is to win every game, win your conference. But that doesn’t guarantee the CFP so why make it a communicated goal? If you want the horse to run faster, you dangle the carrot that he has the reasonable shot to catch. If you dangle the impossible, (to catch) he will eventually lose the motivation to keep pushing forward.AtlAppMan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 7:30 amLet me make one more point and then will move on.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:22 amHis goal and Team goals are not the same thing. If you ask Shawn, he would probably say the same thing. From a team standpoint, you set goals that you can control. This team can go 13-0 and still not make the CFP if another team goes 13-0 and is ranked higher. It’s Leadership 101. The CFP is a hope, not a goal. It isn’t about pushing and planning to get to the top. It’s about motivation and setting goals that you can motivate your team to strive towards without losing them should that goal materialize as unattainable.AtlAppMan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2024 9:59 pmIn the Joey video posted on this board I believe he said his goal was CFP. He must have missed your memo that team cannot have goals that “may be” not totally controllable by them. If they run the table that puts a helluva lot of pressure on CFP committee to include them. Just say’in.
Look, we can go back and forth on this all day. The coaches set the goals based on what they can control. The CFP isn’t one of them. The bottom line, the CFP isn’t talked about in team meetings as a goal.
Based on your above logic, prior to this year every P5 conference could have produced a 13-0 team and somebody would have been left out of CFP. However that is an unlikely scenario anlbeit can happen. Are you saying that it was wrong for all those P5 teams to have making CFP a goal? There have always been external factors outside of the control of MOST teams but that did not prevent them from setting the goal for achievement. IMO that becomes an excuse if you treat it that way.
So in summation, you set goals that you can realistically control and see where the chips fall.
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Re: September 7, 2024
Maybe it’s more appropriate to say that making the CFP isn’t a goal that is discussed as a check box item. Take care of what you can control and see if the CFP works out. Too much emphasis on it creates a type of pressure that can deflate momentum if it becomes out of reach.KentHogan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 11:46 amHeard Clark in an interview on WFNZ last week, he clearly stated that the goal was to make the playoff, I don’t know why that wouldn’t be goal, easy or not.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:26 amThe CFP is an invitational tournament. There is no, “do this and you are in.” There is no formula for entry that can’t be manipulated to allow who gets in. Just look at FSU last year. They did everything right and still didn’t get in. Whether you play 4 or expand to 12, it’s still the same bullshit in that you can’t play your way in. Particularly for a G5. If App and Boise both were to go 13-0, do you think both are going to get in? No. Sure, your goal is to win every game, win your conference. But that doesn’t guarantee the CFP so why make it a communicated goal? If you want the horse to run faster, you dangle the carrot that he has the reasonable shot to catch. If you dangle the impossible, (to catch) he will eventually lose the motivation to keep pushing forward.AtlAppMan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 7:30 amLet me make one more point and then will move on.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:22 amHis goal and Team goals are not the same thing. If you ask Shawn, he would probably say the same thing. From a team standpoint, you set goals that you can control. This team can go 13-0 and still not make the CFP if another team goes 13-0 and is ranked higher. It’s Leadership 101. The CFP is a hope, not a goal. It isn’t about pushing and planning to get to the top. It’s about motivation and setting goals that you can motivate your team to strive towards without losing them should that goal materialize as unattainable.AtlAppMan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2024 9:59 pm
In the Joey video posted on this board I believe he said his goal was CFP. He must have missed your memo that team cannot have goals that “may be” not totally controllable by them. If they run the table that puts a helluva lot of pressure on CFP committee to include them. Just say’in.
Look, we can go back and forth on this all day. The coaches set the goals based on what they can control. The CFP isn’t one of them. The bottom line, the CFP isn’t talked about in team meetings as a goal.
Based on your above logic, prior to this year every P5 conference could have produced a 13-0 team and somebody would have been left out of CFP. However that is an unlikely scenario anlbeit can happen. Are you saying that it was wrong for all those P5 teams to have making CFP a goal? There have always been external factors outside of the control of MOST teams but that did not prevent them from setting the goal for achievement. IMO that becomes an excuse if you treat it that way.
So in summation, you set goals that you can realistically control and see where the chips fall.
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Re: September 7, 2024
No one is putting emphasis on that. It's called the month of June on a message board.
It's summer and everyone across the nation believes the best possible outcome could happen. It's ok.
It's summer and everyone across the nation believes the best possible outcome could happen. It's ok.
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Re: September 7, 2024
I think their reason is because they expect Klubnik to be closer to what he was rated coming out of high school. If he plays like a 5-star then they should be top 10 and we would probably lose by 20+. If he is more like what we saw last year then I would say they are overrated and should be in the 20-30 range. They did mention in there that his weapons around him don't justify the ranking but a lot of the mistakes by Klubnik last year were on him. He has 2 All-ACC skill players back and 3-4 who are suppose to be really good that just haven't been featured in their offense yet so we will see.Black Saturday wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:22 pmhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 47a1&ei=10
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Re: September 7, 2024
2.5 years in and he isn’t what we thought he was going to be. It shouldn’t take a 5* QB 3 years to play well, especially in the ACC.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:35 pmI think their reason is because they expect Klubnik to be closer to what he was rated coming out of high school. If he plays like a 5-star then they should be top 10 and we would probably lose by 20+. If he is more like what we saw last year then I would say they are overrated and should be in the 20-30 range. They did mention in there that his weapons around him don't justify the ranking but a lot of the mistakes by Klubnik last year were on him. He has 2 All-ACC skill players back and 3-4 who are suppose to be really good that just haven't been featured in their offense yet so we will see.Black Saturday wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:22 pmhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 47a1&ei=10
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Re: September 7, 2024
That is usually the case. I can point to Jaden Daniels as someone who was solid but really took a huge leap in his final year but that is rare. Clemson fans think Klubnik is awful and the ones I know actually think our game will be close and some think we have a real shot to beat them. I believe Clemson has good skill position talent on offense so if Klubnik does not have a big year I would think it is on him and not the skill players.311neers wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 8:28 am2.5 years in and he isn’t what we thought he was going to be. It shouldn’t take a 5* QB 3 years to play well, especially in the ACC.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:35 pmI think their reason is because they expect Klubnik to be closer to what he was rated coming out of high school. If he plays like a 5-star then they should be top 10 and we would probably lose by 20+. If he is more like what we saw last year then I would say they are overrated and should be in the 20-30 range. They did mention in there that his weapons around him don't justify the ranking but a lot of the mistakes by Klubnik last year were on him. He has 2 All-ACC skill players back and 3-4 who are suppose to be really good that just haven't been featured in their offense yet so we will see.Black Saturday wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:22 pmhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 47a1&ei=10
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Re: September 7, 2024
If Joey Dimes plays like a Heisman Trophy candidate, we win many, if not all, our games. If he does not, we may win a less number of games than if he does..
Hmmm, can be said about 40 to 50 QBs in FBS.
Hmmm, can be said about 40 to 50 QBs in FBS.
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Re: September 7, 2024
I finally found another realistic App fan..AppSt94 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:26 amThe CFP is an invitational tournament. There is no, “do this and you are in.” There is no formula for entry that can’t be manipulated to allow who gets in. Just look at FSU last year. They did everything right and still didn’t get in. Whether you play 4 or expand to 12, it’s still the same bullshit in that you can’t play your way in. Particularly for a G5. If App and Boise both were to go 13-0, do you think both are going to get in? No. Sure, your goal is to win every game, win your conference. But that doesn’t guarantee the CFP so why make it a communicated goal? If you want the horse to run faster, you dangle the carrot that he has the reasonable shot to catch. If you dangle the impossible, (to catch) he will eventually lose the motivation to keep pushing forward.AtlAppMan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 7:30 amLet me make one more point and then will move on.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:22 amHis goal and Team goals are not the same thing. If you ask Shawn, he would probably say the same thing. From a team standpoint, you set goals that you can control. This team can go 13-0 and still not make the CFP if another team goes 13-0 and is ranked higher. It’s Leadership 101. The CFP is a hope, not a goal. It isn’t about pushing and planning to get to the top. It’s about motivation and setting goals that you can motivate your team to strive towards without losing them should that goal materialize as unattainable.AtlAppMan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2024 9:59 pmIn the Joey video posted on this board I believe he said his goal was CFP. He must have missed your memo that team cannot have goals that “may be” not totally controllable by them. If they run the table that puts a helluva lot of pressure on CFP committee to include them. Just say’in.
Look, we can go back and forth on this all day. The coaches set the goals based on what they can control. The CFP isn’t one of them. The bottom line, the CFP isn’t talked about in team meetings as a goal.
Based on your above logic, prior to this year every P5 conference could have produced a 13-0 team and somebody would have been left out of CFP. However that is an unlikely scenario anlbeit can happen. Are you saying that it was wrong for all those P5 teams to have making CFP a goal? There have always been external factors outside of the control of MOST teams but that did not prevent them from setting the goal for achievement. IMO that becomes an excuse if you treat it that way.
So in summation, you set goals that you can realistically control and see where the chips fall.
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Re: September 7, 2024
App just played the number three pick to 3 points, twice. There isn't really an excuse for a 20+ point loss to anyone.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:35 pmI think their reason is because they expect Klubnik to be closer to what he was rated coming out of high school. If he plays like a 5-star then they should be top 10 and we would probably lose by 20+. If he is more like what we saw last year then I would say they are overrated and should be in the 20-30 range. They did mention in there that his weapons around him don't justify the ranking but a lot of the mistakes by Klubnik last year were on him. He has 2 All-ACC skill players back and 3-4 who are suppose to be really good that just haven't been featured in their offense yet so we will see.Black Saturday wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:22 pmhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 47a1&ei=10
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Re: September 7, 2024
Not to an ACC school. Bama, UGA, Texas are different breeds at the moment. Would love the chance to play them though, always fun to play the big boys.ericsaid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 3:12 pmApp just played the number three pick to 3 points, twice. There isn't really an excuse for a 20+ point loss to anyone.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:35 pmI think their reason is because they expect Klubnik to be closer to what he was rated coming out of high school. If he plays like a 5-star then they should be top 10 and we would probably lose by 20+. If he is more like what we saw last year then I would say they are overrated and should be in the 20-30 range. They did mention in there that his weapons around him don't justify the ranking but a lot of the mistakes by Klubnik last year were on him. He has 2 All-ACC skill players back and 3-4 who are suppose to be really good that just haven't been featured in their offense yet so we will see.Black Saturday wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:22 pmhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 47a1&ei=10
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Re: September 7, 2024
I think football is played by more than one player.ericsaid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 3:12 pmApp just played the number three pick to 3 points, twice. There isn't really an excuse for a 20+ point loss to anyone.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:35 pmI think their reason is because they expect Klubnik to be closer to what he was rated coming out of high school. If he plays like a 5-star then they should be top 10 and we would probably lose by 20+. If he is more like what we saw last year then I would say they are overrated and should be in the 20-30 range. They did mention in there that his weapons around him don't justify the ranking but a lot of the mistakes by Klubnik last year were on him. He has 2 All-ACC skill players back and 3-4 who are suppose to be really good that just haven't been featured in their offense yet so we will see.Black Saturday wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:22 pmhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 47a1&ei=10
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Re: September 7, 2024
I’ve only seen one player that can win a game by himself. Tommy Frazier was amazing.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:23 pmI think football is played by more than one player.ericsaid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 3:12 pmApp just played the number three pick to 3 points, twice. There isn't really an excuse for a 20+ point loss to anyone.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:35 pmI think their reason is because they expect Klubnik to be closer to what he was rated coming out of high school. If he plays like a 5-star then they should be top 10 and we would probably lose by 20+. If he is more like what we saw last year then I would say they are overrated and should be in the 20-30 range. They did mention in there that his weapons around him don't justify the ranking but a lot of the mistakes by Klubnik last year were on him. He has 2 All-ACC skill players back and 3-4 who are suppose to be really good that just haven't been featured in their offense yet so we will see.Black Saturday wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:22 pmhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 47a1&ei=10
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Re: September 7, 2024
Is your second pick Armanti Edwards?AppSt94 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:11 pmI’ve only seen one player that can win a game by himself. Tommy Frazier was amazing.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:23 pmI think football is played by more than one player.ericsaid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 3:12 pmApp just played the number three pick to 3 points, twice. There isn't really an excuse for a 20+ point loss to anyone.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:35 pmI think their reason is because they expect Klubnik to be closer to what he was rated coming out of high school. If he plays like a 5-star then they should be top 10 and we would probably lose by 20+. If he is more like what we saw last year then I would say they are overrated and should be in the 20-30 range. They did mention in there that his weapons around him don't justify the ranking but a lot of the mistakes by Klubnik last year were on him. He has 2 All-ACC skill players back and 3-4 who are suppose to be really good that just haven't been featured in their offense yet so we will see.Black Saturday wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:22 pmhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 47a1&ei=10
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Re: September 7, 2024
I can’t have a second if I said only one.Black Saturday wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:46 pmIs your second pick Armanti Edwards?AppSt94 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:11 pmI’ve only seen one player that can win a game by himself. Tommy Frazier was amazing.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:23 pmI think football is played by more than one player.ericsaid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 3:12 pmApp just played the number three pick to 3 points, twice. There isn't really an excuse for a 20+ point loss to anyone.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:35 pm
I think their reason is because they expect Klubnik to be closer to what he was rated coming out of high school. If he plays like a 5-star then they should be top 10 and we would probably lose by 20+. If he is more like what we saw last year then I would say they are overrated and should be in the 20-30 range. They did mention in there that his weapons around him don't justify the ranking but a lot of the mistakes by Klubnik last year were on him. He has 2 All-ACC skill players back and 3-4 who are suppose to be really good that just haven't been featured in their offense yet so we will see.
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Re: September 7, 2024
Vince Young natty game against USC...may be the otherAppSt94 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:11 pmI’ve only seen one player that can win a game by himself. Tommy Frazier was amazing.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:23 pmI think football is played by more than one player.ericsaid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 3:12 pmApp just played the number three pick to 3 points, twice. There isn't really an excuse for a 20+ point loss to anyone.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:35 pmI think their reason is because they expect Klubnik to be closer to what he was rated coming out of high school. If he plays like a 5-star then they should be top 10 and we would probably lose by 20+. If he is more like what we saw last year then I would say they are overrated and should be in the 20-30 range. They did mention in there that his weapons around him don't justify the ranking but a lot of the mistakes by Klubnik last year were on him. He has 2 All-ACC skill players back and 3-4 who are suppose to be really good that just haven't been featured in their offense yet so we will see.Black Saturday wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:22 pmhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 47a1&ei=10
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Re: September 7, 2024
Damn, did not think of that one ...yep, top pick right there. Ask Richmond Spiders I believeBlack Saturday wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:46 pmIs your second pick Armanti Edwards?AppSt94 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:11 pmI’ve only seen one player that can win a game by himself. Tommy Frazier was amazing.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:23 pmI think football is played by more than one player.ericsaid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 3:12 pmApp just played the number three pick to 3 points, twice. There isn't really an excuse for a 20+ point loss to anyone.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:35 pm
I think their reason is because they expect Klubnik to be closer to what he was rated coming out of high school. If he plays like a 5-star then they should be top 10 and we would probably lose by 20+. If he is more like what we saw last year then I would say they are overrated and should be in the 20-30 range. They did mention in there that his weapons around him don't justify the ranking but a lot of the mistakes by Klubnik last year were on him. He has 2 All-ACC skill players back and 3-4 who are suppose to be really good that just haven't been featured in their offense yet so we will see.
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