EZU discussion

[mountaineerman]

Watching some of these sunbelt games and attendance .. we have something thing special at App. What I saw today was incredible.

[spacemonkey]

We are fun to watch, but I swear, sometimes we score in spite of ourselves and poor playcalling. Clark will end up embroiled in a class-action suit with fans demanding reparations for their blood pressure and heart pills. They'll be handing out low-dose Bayer at the gates.

Remember the Joey for savior thread? Yeah, this is why coach said it was a toss-up. Both guys have things to work on.

Noel will be our third RB ever with 3k + yards. He will get a look as an UDFA.

We have a solid and growing/maturing team. I like our future outlook.



On a side note, I'm glad I haven't been able to make the 40k+ fan games. That sounds miserable and actually dangerous, given the true facility/stadium capacity. They need to get a handle on that before something happens.

No one is going to agree with this but, one big problem is selling alcohol in the stadium. These kids are trashed. It is out of hand after the games with more drunk students than sober security. App needs to spend way more money on security if we keep selling alcohol at the game.

[AppSt94]

The thing with JAs quick release is he's making a pre snap read and deciding where he's letting it launch before the ball is snapped. Most of the time, that works great. Problem is, if the defender makes the same read and JA doesn't notice the jump, there's a good chance at a pick.

Obviously, that pick is on JA. But, if you go back and watch, the ball was thrown well before the receiver even made his cut. The defender just made a really good read (likely based on last week's film) and made a good play. It's a type of play I'm willing to let JA make because more often than not (unless film is showing other tendencies that defenses haven't caught on to yet), it's going to be a positive play.

To me being at the game, Joey made three mistakes. The interception being one. Haven’t watched the replay so I will trust your judgement in that it was just a better play by the defender. It happens. The other two were he could have easily extended drives with his feet instead he threw it and got incompletions. Those were lessons that he will grow from in film study for sure.

And oh yes. Favors is a baller.

[yosef69]

The thing with JAs quick release is he's making a pre snap read and deciding where he's letting it launch before the ball is snapped. Most of the time, that works great. Problem is, if the defender makes the same read and JA doesn't notice the jump, there's a good chance at a pick.

Obviously, that pick is on JA. But, if you go back and watch, the ball was thrown well before the receiver even made his cut. The defender just made a really good read (likely based on last week's film) and made a good play. It's a type of play I'm willing to let JA make because more often than not (unless film is showing other tendencies that defenses haven't caught on to yet), it's going to be a positive play.

To me being at the game, Joey made three mistakes. The interception being one. Haven’t watched the replay so I will trust your judgement in that it was just a better play by the defender. It happens. The other two were he could have easily extended drives with his feet instead he threw it and got incompletions. Those were lessons that he will grow from in film study for sure.

And oh yes. Favors is a baller.

Joeys interception should have never happened, mostly because why was a play call that had him throwing to the opposite side of the field from his goal line when ecu was obviously bringing the house?

Otherwise agreed

[mountaineerman]

We are fun to watch, but I swear, sometimes we score in spite of ourselves and poor playcalling. Clark will end up embroiled in a class-action suit with fans demanding reparations for their blood pressure and heart pills. They'll be handing out low-dose Bayer at the gates.

Remember the Joey for savior thread? Yeah, this is why coach said it was a toss-up. Both guys have things to work on.

Noel will be our third RB ever with 3k + yards. He will get a look as an UDFA.

We have a solid and growing/maturing team. I like our future outlook.



On a side note, I'm glad I haven't been able to make the 40k+ fan games. That sounds miserable and actually dangerous, given the true facility/stadium capacity. They need to get a handle on that before something happens.

No one is going to agree with this but, one big problem is selling alcohol in the stadium. These kids are trashed. It is out of hand after the games with more drunk students than sober security. App needs to spend way more money on security if we keep selling alcohol at the game.

Well on my way out of the stadium… we just talked about this ….some straight up secret service App guys broke up a fight at the East side gate . It was very serious and these guys were not joking around. Had the ear piece microphone and everything. Honestly it was top notch.

[AppStateNews]

The thing with JAs quick release is he's making a pre snap read and deciding where he's letting it launch before the ball is snapped. Most of the time, that works great. Problem is, if the defender makes the same read and JA doesn't notice the jump, there's a good chance at a pick.

Obviously, that pick is on JA. But, if you go back and watch, the ball was thrown well before the receiver even made his cut. The defender just made a really good read (likely based on last week's film) and made a good play. It's a type of play I'm willing to let JA make because more often than not (unless film is showing other tendencies that defenses haven't caught on to yet), it's going to be a positive play.

To me being at the game, Joey made three mistakes. The interception being one. Haven’t watched the replay so I will trust your judgement in that it was just a better play by the defender. It happens. The other two were he could have easily extended drives with his feet instead he threw it and got incompletions. Those were lessons that he will grow from in film study for sure.

And oh yes. Favors is a baller.

Joeys interception should have never happened, mostly because why was a play call that had him throwing to the opposite side of the field from his goal line when ecu was obviously bringing the house?

Otherwise agreed

That's a pre snap read by JA. The play call is not to throw it far side. The play call on the pick looked like a traditional dig, hitch, post route combo. JA saw the far side had something he liked (my guess is the soft coverage and safety shade to boundary) so he went with it.

Everybody on here LOVED the quick releases last week. Unfortunately, it has its weaknesses too.

[311neers]

The thing with JAs quick release is he's making a pre snap read and deciding where he's letting it launch before the ball is snapped. Most of the time, that works great. Problem is, if the defender makes the same read and JA doesn't notice the jump, there's a good chance at a pick.

Obviously, that pick is on JA. But, if you go back and watch, the ball was thrown well before the receiver even made his cut. The defender just made a really good read (likely based on last week's film) and made a good play. It's a type of play I'm willing to let JA make because more often than not (unless film is showing other tendencies that defenses haven't caught on to yet), it's going to be a positive play.

To me being at the game, Joey made three mistakes. The interception being one. Haven’t watched the replay so I will trust your judgement in that it was just a better play by the defender. It happens. The other two were he could have easily extended drives with his feet instead he threw it and got incompletions. Those were lessons that he will grow from in film study for sure.

And oh yes. Favors is a baller.

Joeys interception should have never happened, mostly because why was a play call that had him throwing to the opposite side of the field from his goal line when ecu was obviously bringing the house?

Otherwise agreed

That's a pre snap read by JA. The play call is not to throw it far side. The play call on the pick looked like a traditional dig, hitch, post route combo. JA saw the far side had something he liked (my guess is the soft coverage and safety shade to boundary) so he went with it.

Everybody on here LOVED the quick releases last week. Unfortunately, it has its weaknesses too.

They blitzed hot off that edge and the safety rolled over and picked off the stick. Stared him down a little too much. It happens. He seems to put stuff behind him fast which is what you want in a QB. Can’t let the last play stay with you.

Defense played so good after the first drive. I really enjoyed watching us get after the ball, especially Farrar and Gooch!

[AppSt94]

The thing with JAs quick release is he's making a pre snap read and deciding where he's letting it launch before the ball is snapped. Most of the time, that works great. Problem is, if the defender makes the same read and JA doesn't notice the jump, there's a good chance at a pick.

Obviously, that pick is on JA. But, if you go back and watch, the ball was thrown well before the receiver even made his cut. The defender just made a really good read (likely based on last week's film) and made a good play. It's a type of play I'm willing to let JA make because more often than not (unless film is showing other tendencies that defenses haven't caught on to yet), it's going to be a positive play.

To me being at the game, Joey made three mistakes. The interception being one. Haven’t watched the replay so I will trust your judgement in that it was just a better play by the defender. It happens. The other two were he could have easily extended drives with his feet instead he threw it and got incompletions. Those were lessons that he will grow from in film study for sure.

And oh yes. Favors is a baller.

Joeys interception should have never happened, mostly because why was a play call that had him throwing to the opposite side of the field from his goal line when ecu was obviously bringing the house?

Otherwise agreed

That's a pre snap read by JA. The play call is not to throw it far side. The play call on the pick looked like a traditional dig, hitch, post route combo. JA saw the far side had something he liked (my guess is the soft coverage and safety shade to boundary) so he went with it.

Everybody on here LOVED the quick releases last week. Unfortunately, it has its weaknesses too.

They blitzed hot off that edge and the safety rolled over and picked off the stick. Stared him down a little too much. It happens. He seems to put stuff behind him fast which is what you want in a QB. Can’t let the last play stay with you.

Defense played so good after the first drive. I really enjoyed watching us get after the ball, especially Farrar and Gooch!

The first drive doesn’t bother me. As much as it frustrates folks, and I get it, we run base defense while the opposing offense runs through it’s scripted plays. If we aren’t adjusting after the first 15 plays, then I would be concerned.

[appstatealum]

Joey still needs to do more to hold off burger. Too many times where he is careless with the ball. He also floats a lot of passes.

So many fans bickering for Kanye. OUR COACHES KNOW BEST. That’s why he hasn’t gotten much run. He fumbled in camps and now in his first action. If he wants to be great, he needs to hold on to the ball.

You are absolutely insane hahahhaha. It’s not close right now

Let me be clear. Joey has played good. I just don’t think he has played at a level yet that would cause him to leap over a QB that didn’t even play one healthy drive. I still think there is a reason Burger was named the starter. It is and should be an ongoing competition. To say it’s not close is not a genuine statement.

Well where we’re at right now … there’s no way if I’m coach I’m running anyone but JA. Do what you want though.

No question. Joey is the clear #1 and arguably a budding star. He makes poor decisions at times, which also stem from play calling at times. Sometimes when you gamble, you lose. Joey throws the ball with decisiveness we haven't seen in a longggg time. He throws back shoulder and some of those 50/50 referred to are just bold throws that favor the offensive player. Are they risky, yes, but that's what a gunslinger type of QB gives you. I feel like this kid has breathed life into this team. Defense looked great today as well- made some mistakes, but got back to our character of forcing big turnovers at critical times. Great game to be at today.

[AppStateNews]

To me being at the game, Joey made three mistakes. The interception being one. Haven’t watched the replay so I will trust your judgement in that it was just a better play by the defender. It happens. The other two were he could have easily extended drives with his feet instead he threw it and got incompletions. Those were lessons that he will grow from in film study for sure.

And oh yes. Favors is a baller.

Joeys interception should have never happened, mostly because why was a play call that had him throwing to the opposite side of the field from his goal line when ecu was obviously bringing the house?

Otherwise agreed

That's a pre snap read by JA. The play call is not to throw it far side. The play call on the pick looked like a traditional dig, hitch, post route combo. JA saw the far side had something he liked (my guess is the soft coverage and safety shade to boundary) so he went with it.

Everybody on here LOVED the quick releases last week. Unfortunately, it has its weaknesses too.

They blitzed hot off that edge and the safety rolled over and picked off the stick. Stared him down a little too much. It happens. He seems to put stuff behind him fast which is what you want in a QB. Can’t let the last play stay with you.

Defense played so good after the first drive. I really enjoyed watching us get after the ball, especially Farrar and Gooch!

The first drive doesn’t bother me. As much as it frustrates folks, and I get it, we run base defense while the opposing offense runs through it’s scripted plays. If we aren’t adjusting after the first 15 plays, then I would be concerned.

Exactly this. The first drive thing isn't necessarily by design, but it kind of is. We purposely do nothing but base on their first drive because that drive is almost always scripted. So, there is zero point in showing your true game plan against a scripted offense. Also, often times, that scripted drive gives a lot of Intel on what their game plan is.

As a player, it's really frustrating. But, it makes so much sense to do.

[GSUwasGump’sFallbackSchool]

Joey still needs to do more to hold off burger. Too many times where he is careless with the ball. He also floats a lot of passes.

So many fans bickering for Kanye. OUR COACHES KNOW BEST. That’s why he hasn’t gotten much run. He fumbled in camps and now in his first action. If he wants to be great, he needs to hold on to the ball.

You are absolutely insane hahahhaha. It’s not close right now

Let me be clear. Joey has played good. I just don’t think he has played at a level yet that would cause him to leap over a QB that didn’t even play one healthy drive. I still think there is a reason Burger was named the starter. It is and should be an ongoing competition. To say it’s not close is not a genuine statement.

Well where we’re at right now … there’s no way if I’m coach I’m running anyone but JA. Do what you want though.

No question. Joey is the clear #1 and arguably a budding star. He makes poor decisions at times, which also stem from play calling at times. Sometimes when you gamble, you lose. Joey throws the ball with decisiveness we haven't seen in a longggg time. He throws back shoulder and some of those 50/50 referred to are just bold throws that favor the offensive player. Are they risky, yes, but that's what a gunslinger type of QB gives you. I feel like this kid has breathed life into this team. Defense looked great today as well- made some mistakes, but got back to our character of forcing big turnovers at critical times. Great game to be at today.

He also leads the conference in TDs (9) in 2.5 games with a back that has gotten >120 yards every game. More than Southern and the other pass-first teams in the SBC. Joey is balling. He is a better playmaker than ZT, even.

[J_Mountaineers]

We are fun to watch, but I swear, sometimes we score in spite of ourselves and poor playcalling. Clark will end up embroiled in a class-action suit with fans demanding reparations for their blood pressure and heart pills. They'll be handing out low-dose Bayer at the gates.

Remember the Joey for savior thread? Yeah, this is why coach said it was a toss-up. Both guys have things to work on.

Noel will be our third RB ever with 3k + yards. He will get a look as an UDFA.

We have a solid and growing/maturing team. I like our future outlook.



On a side note, I'm glad I haven't been able to make the 40k+ fan games. That sounds miserable and actually dangerous, given the true facility/stadium capacity. They need to get a handle on that before something happens.

No one is going to agree with this but, one big problem is selling alcohol in the stadium. These kids are trashed. It is out of hand after the games with more drunk students than sober security. App needs to spend way more money on security if we keep selling alcohol at the game.

I guarantee those students aren’t getting trashed at the stadium. Alcohol sales are certainly not the problem - few college students can swing $10-12 beers.

[AppStateNews]

We are fun to watch, but I swear, sometimes we score in spite of ourselves and poor playcalling. Clark will end up embroiled in a class-action suit with fans demanding reparations for their blood pressure and heart pills. They'll be handing out low-dose Bayer at the gates.

Remember the Joey for savior thread? Yeah, this is why coach said it was a toss-up. Both guys have things to work on.

Noel will be our third RB ever with 3k + yards. He will get a look as an UDFA.

We have a solid and growing/maturing team. I like our future outlook.



On a side note, I'm glad I haven't been able to make the 40k+ fan games. That sounds miserable and actually dangerous, given the true facility/stadium capacity. They need to get a handle on that before something happens.

No one is going to agree with this but, one big problem is selling alcohol in the stadium. These kids are trashed. It is out of hand after the games with more drunk students than sober security. App needs to spend way more money on security if we keep selling alcohol at the game.

I guarantee those students aren’t getting trashed at the stadium. Alcohol sales are certainly not the problem - few college students can swing $10-12 beers.

You must not have seen the student section or hill if you believe that... more $10+ beer cans there than anywhere else in the stadium..

But, you're right. If they take away beer sales, the students will still get drunk. It's just going to be with the airplane bottles they sneak in instead of the beer they purchase.

But, also agree, something needs to happen.

[yosef69]

Joeys interception should have never happened, mostly because why was a play call that had him throwing to the opposite side of the field from his goal line when ecu was obviously bringing the house?

Otherwise agreed

That's a pre snap read by JA. The play call is not to throw it far side. The play call on the pick looked like a traditional dig, hitch, post route combo. JA saw the far side had something he liked (my guess is the soft coverage and safety shade to boundary) so he went with it.

Everybody on here LOVED the quick releases last week. Unfortunately, it has its weaknesses too.

They blitzed hot off that edge and the safety rolled over and picked off the stick. Stared him down a little too much. It happens. He seems to put stuff behind him fast which is what you want in a QB. Can’t let the last play stay with you.

Defense played so good after the first drive. I really enjoyed watching us get after the ball, especially Farrar and Gooch!

The first drive doesn’t bother me. As much as it frustrates folks, and I get it, we run base defense while the opposing offense runs through it’s scripted plays. If we aren’t adjusting after the first 15 plays, then I would be concerned.

Exactly this. The first drive thing isn't necessarily by design, but it kind of is. We purposely do nothing but base on their first drive because that drive is almost always scripted. So, there is zero point in showing your true game plan against a scripted offense. Also, often times, that scripted drive gives a lot of Intel on what their game plan is.

As a player, it's really frustrating. But, it makes so much sense to do.

Are you trying to say it makes sense to allow your opponent to run their best plays and run your base defense and spot them 7 points to hide your cards? Sorry, seen a lot of good points from you over the years but we spotted our opponent the spread on the first drive today.

It’s never a good idea to let your opponent move the ball at will, even when it’s the first drive.

[AppStateNews]

That's a pre snap read by JA. The play call is not to throw it far side. The play call on the pick looked like a traditional dig, hitch, post route combo. JA saw the far side had something he liked (my guess is the soft coverage and safety shade to boundary) so he went with it.

Everybody on here LOVED the quick releases last week. Unfortunately, it has its weaknesses too.

They blitzed hot off that edge and the safety rolled over and picked off the stick. Stared him down a little too much. It happens. He seems to put stuff behind him fast which is what you want in a QB. Can’t let the last play stay with you.

Defense played so good after the first drive. I really enjoyed watching us get after the ball, especially Farrar and Gooch!

The first drive doesn’t bother me. As much as it frustrates folks, and I get it, we run base defense while the opposing offense runs through it’s scripted plays. If we aren’t adjusting after the first 15 plays, then I would be concerned.

Exactly this. The first drive thing isn't necessarily by design, but it kind of is. We purposely do nothing but base on their first drive because that drive is almost always scripted. So, there is zero point in showing your true game plan against a scripted offense. Also, often times, that scripted drive gives a lot of Intel on what their game plan is.

As a player, it's really frustrating. But, it makes so much sense to do.

Are you trying to say it makes sense to allow your opponent to run their best plays and run your bad defense and spot them 7 points to hide your cards? Sorry, seen a lot of good points from you over the years but we spotted our opponent the spread on the first drive today.

It’s never a good idea to let your opponent move the ball at will, even when it’s the first drive.

It makes more sense than running your best plays that are scripted against and likely still going to fail AND give away your game plan.

The thing with our defensive scheme is it's really easy to disguise things so it's really hard to prepare for but a lot easier for us to exploit weaknesses. Those weaknesses are not going to be in the first drive because it's scripted out.

I get both sides of the argument. As a player, I hated it. As a now fan, it makes a lot of sense to do.

[yosef69]

They blitzed hot off that edge and the safety rolled over and picked off the stick. Stared him down a little too much. It happens. He seems to put stuff behind him fast which is what you want in a QB. Can’t let the last play stay with you.

Defense played so good after the first drive. I really enjoyed watching us get after the ball, especially Farrar and Gooch!

The first drive doesn’t bother me. As much as it frustrates folks, and I get it, we run base defense while the opposing offense runs through it’s scripted plays. If we aren’t adjusting after the first 15 plays, then I would be concerned.

Exactly this. The first drive thing isn't necessarily by design, but it kind of is. We purposely do nothing but base on their first drive because that drive is almost always scripted. So, there is zero point in showing your true game plan against a scripted offense. Also, often times, that scripted drive gives a lot of Intel on what their game plan is.

As a player, it's really frustrating. But, it makes so much sense to do.

Are you trying to say it makes sense to allow your opponent to run their best plays and run your bad defense and spot them 7 points to hide your cards? Sorry, seen a lot of good points from you over the years but we spotted our opponent the spread on the first drive today.

It’s never a good idea to let your opponent move the ball at will, even when it’s the first drive.

It makes more sense than running your best plays that are scripted against and likely still going to fail AND give away your game plan.

The thing with our defensive scheme is it's really easy to disguise things so it's really hard to prepare for but a lot easier for us to exploit weaknesses. Those weaknesses are not going to be in the first drive because it's scripted out.

I get both sides of the argument. As a player, I hated it. As a now fan, it makes a lot of sense to do.

I totally disagree. Points are never good, no matter the intel you might receive.

[WASU 93]

To me being at the game, Joey made three mistakes. The interception being one. Haven’t watched the replay so I will trust your judgement in that it was just a better play by the defender. It happens. The other two were he could have easily extended drives with his feet instead he threw it and got incompletions. Those were lessons that he will grow from in film study for sure.

And oh yes. Favors is a baller.

Joeys interception should have never happened, mostly because why was a play call that had him throwing to the opposite side of the field from his goal line when ecu was obviously bringing the house?

Otherwise agreed

That's a pre snap read by JA. The play call is not to throw it far side. The play call on the pick looked like a traditional dig, hitch, post route combo. JA saw the far side had something he liked (my guess is the soft coverage and safety shade to boundary) so he went with it.

Everybody on here LOVED the quick releases last week. Unfortunately, it has its weaknesses too.

They blitzed hot off that edge and the safety rolled over and picked off the stick. Stared him down a little too much. It happens. He seems to put stuff behind him fast which is what you want in a QB. Can’t let the last play stay with you.

Defense played so good after the first drive. I really enjoyed watching us get after the ball, especially Farrar and Gooch!

The first drive doesn’t bother me. As much as it frustrates folks, and I get it, we run base defense while the opposing offense runs through it’s scripted plays. If we aren’t adjusting after the first 15 plays, then I would be concerned.

And, it’s been that way for years. If not for a debatable offsides call, ECU goes three and out.

1. Last week Joey was being compared to the GOAT. This week, the board is over critical. He’s showing good leadership, our offense is able to put up points with him at the helm, and he’s willing to pick up tough yards with his legs as needed.
2. Good lesson today for Kanye to sit, but he runs downhill with explosiveness. I hope he gets 8-12 carries a game. Great change up from Noel.
3. Jackson made a sensational catch. We are deeper than we have ever been at receiver. (Strohman had one catch and last week’s star Davis did not have a catch.)
4. If (and they are ifs) Davis holds on to the 4th down conversion to open the second quarter (good call by Clark and staff) and if the PI is called prior to the pick six, this game is over in the first half. We have a better program than ECU and they don’t the firepower to keep up.
5. Defense gave up 14 points and played really well. Finished the game strong.
6. Off season S&C looks to be paying off.
7. We built a brick wall to make Miller Hill safer. With 5 minutes left, game management should have cleared the fans behind the plastic fencing in the East corner (the Hill had somewhat emptied). It would not have stopped fans from rushing the field, but it would have improved the situation.

[appstatealum]

The game was overhyped. The 330p.kickoff allowed for students to get nice and sauced. Our offensive turnovers allowed for the game to be closer than it should've been. Mix all that together, the students took the opportunity to celebrate the win by rushing the field. It didn't seem like a big deal that we beat ECU as much as it was a win after the blah we saw against GW and the party atmosphere created by todays hype. Let's not go all boomer on these kids.

[biggie]

Haven’t had a chance to catch up on reading this or watch all the game since I just got home from CLT FC game. But 2 TDs given up by our D and 240 total yards isn’t as bad as I expected given the first quarter I watched.

Can’t have the turnovers on offense especially that go back for 6. Looks like it will be a very tough matchup next week.

[appbio91]

Joey still needs to do more to hold off burger. Too many times where he is careless with the ball. He also floats a lot of passes.

I said the same last week, lots of dangerous passes into coverage. He’s a good one glad we have him but it’s healthy to have someone nipping at your heels, hope Burger heals up.