BambooRdApp wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:55 am

Whether it actually is or not, coaches need to make like it is..... otherwise, risk of one kid potentially entering portal. Sad it is this way etc...if named QB1 now, QB2 decides to leave...do we have a decent backup at that point that is not a true freshman...not sure we do....not saying the new faces will not be good...just is a risk.. especially since we already have unknowns at QB to begin with... IMO

This just happened with our 3rd stringer and 4th stringer. DC saw where he was on depth chart and dipped. McBride saw where this was headed...bagged career. Let them both play unless one clearly is the frontrunner. Run with the hot hand!

Refresh my memory, didn't we kind of have a 2 QB situation with Daniel Jeremiah and John(?) Reaves back in the 90s? I can't remember another time when we had a 2 QB rotation...at least since I've been a fan (1979).

Based off videos and photos I've seen, my guess is Aguilar might go into fall camp with the lead. His body looks more game ready. Burger just looks a little thin right now but our new S/C program and the caf can fix that in short time!!!

311neers wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:11 pm

BambooRdApp wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:55 am

Whether it actually is or not, coaches need to make like it is..... otherwise, risk of one kid potentially entering portal. Sad it is this way etc...if named QB1 now, QB2 decides to leave...do we have a decent backup at that point that is not a true freshman...not sure we do....not saying the new faces will not be good...just is a risk.. especially since we already have unknowns at QB to begin with... IMO

This just happened with our 3rd stringer and 4th stringer. DC saw where he was on depth chart and dipped. McBride saw where this was headed...bagged career. Let them both play unless one clearly is the frontrunner. Run with the hot hand!

If you have two QBs, you don't have one. Changing the QB mid game has a ton of effects. Timing, o line tendencies, etc. Switching because of injury is one thing. But constantly going back and forth does way more harm to an offense than good.

If a QB transfers because they aren't able to win the job, it's next man up. We need the players that are going to do more than expected to earn that spot. That mentally is what we've been built on. Not the players that run at first sign of adversity.

AppStateNews wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:18 pm

311neers wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:11 pm

BambooRdApp wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:55 am

Whether it actually is or not, coaches need to make like it is..... otherwise, risk of one kid potentially entering portal. Sad it is this way etc...if named QB1 now, QB2 decides to leave...do we have a decent backup at that point that is not a true freshman...not sure we do....not saying the new faces will not be good...just is a risk.. especially since we already have unknowns at QB to begin with... IMO

This just happened with our 3rd stringer and 4th stringer. DC saw where he was on depth chart and dipped. McBride saw where this was headed...bagged career. Let them both play unless one clearly is the frontrunner. Run with the hot hand!

If you have two QBs, you don't have one. Changing the QB mid game has a ton of effects. Timing, o line tendencies, etc. Switching because of injury is one thing. But constantly going back and forth does way more harm to an offense than good.

If a QB transfers because they aren't able to win the job, it's next man up. We need the players that are going to do more than expected to earn that spot. That mentally is what we've been built on. Not the players that run at first sign of adversity.

I was just letting the above comment know that's what happened with the 2 backup/clipboard guys already- so no, we do not have a capable backup thats not a true freshman anymore. I didn't mean sub one in-sub one out like a Taysom hill package, but more so if one has 4 bad games, give the other guy a chance. If it comes to that, which hopefully it doesnt, our O-line and scheme should be okay as they are similar style qbs. Same thing happened with Bama in the natty vs. UGA. Hurts was having a horrible game and he got benched for Tua (similarly run system qb). We all know what happened after that.

311neers wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:29 pm

AppStateNews wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:18 pm

311neers wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:11 pm

BambooRdApp wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:55 am

Whether it actually is or not, coaches need to make like it is..... otherwise, risk of one kid potentially entering portal. Sad it is this way etc...if named QB1 now, QB2 decides to leave...do we have a decent backup at that point that is not a true freshman...not sure we do....not saying the new faces will not be good...just is a risk.. especially since we already have unknowns at QB to begin with... IMO

This just happened with our 3rd stringer and 4th stringer. DC saw where he was on depth chart and dipped. McBride saw where this was headed...bagged career. Let them both play unless one clearly is the frontrunner. Run with the hot hand!

If you have two QBs, you don't have one. Changing the QB mid game has a ton of effects. Timing, o line tendencies, etc. Switching because of injury is one thing. But constantly going back and forth does way more harm to an offense than good.

If a QB transfers because they aren't able to win the job, it's next man up. We need the players that are going to do more than expected to earn that spot. That mentally is what we've been built on. Not the players that run at first sign of adversity.

I was just letting the above comment know that's what happened with the 2 backup/clipboard guys already- so no, we do not have a capable backup thats not a true freshman anymore. I didn't mean sub one in-sub one out like a Taysom hill package, but more so if one has 4 bad games, give the other guy a chance. If it comes to that, which hopefully it doesnt, our O-line and scheme should be okay as they are similar style qbs. Same thing happened with Bama in the natty vs. UGA. Hurts was having a horrible game and he got benched for Tua (similarly run system qb). We all know what happened after that.

So you think one is going to be bad? You literally said let them both play and run with the hot hand. If one is playing poorly, then yes, you bench them to put the other in. That's not changing everything mid game.

Even if they are similar in play style, one is going to leave the pocket earlier than the other and the o line is going to need to play to that. One is going to start his delivery a little earlier than the other and the receivers need to play to that. One is going to hold the mesh different than the other and the RBs need to play to that.

But, we do have a backup that isn't a true freshman if we have a two man battle for starter and neither are true freshmen.

McBride's retirement was tied to Barbay leaving.

311neers wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:11 pm

BambooRdApp wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:55 am

Whether it actually is or not, coaches need to make like it is..... otherwise, risk of one kid potentially entering portal. Sad it is this way etc...if named QB1 now, QB2 decides to leave...do we have a decent backup at that point that is not a true freshman...not sure we do....not saying the new faces will not be good...just is a risk.. especially since we already have unknowns at QB to begin with... IMO

This just happened with our 3rd stringer and 4th stringer. DC saw where he was on depth chart and dipped. McBride saw where this was headed...bagged career. Let them both play unless one clearly is the frontrunner. Run with the hot hand!

Tabscott was never going to see the field. He just wasn’t a FBS QB. He didn’t leave because he wasn’t going to play. The handprints are probably still on his back from being pushed out the door. McBride was just done.

Whichever wins the job is going to be inconsistent. It’s just the truth and doesn’t mean that they aren’t good, on we need to make a change. Fans needed to buckle
They’re chinstraps and tighten the jock straps because there are going to be some growing pains with whoever it is.

Yes there are certainly going to be “growing pains”….if we truly have a 1a and 1b situation, while inconsistencies will happen and have to be tolerated, it’s when errors cause a couple of losses in a row… SC will be under pressure to make a change. Also let’s just admit that we do not have an established qb…… and it will have a significant effect on our team’s performance. Could we get lucky? Sure. Whoever makes the least mistakes will play.

AppFan11 wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:30 am

Yes there are certainly going to be “growing pains”….if we truly have a 1a and 1b situation, while inconsistencies will happen and have to be tolerated, it’s when errors cause a couple of losses in a row… SC will be under pressure to make a change. Also let’s just admit that we do not have an established qb…… and it will have a significant effect on our team’s performance. Could we get lucky? Sure. Whoever makes the least mistakes will play.

True. And inefficiency at any position, whether it be QB, TE, or Safety have negative affects on team performance. IMO, QB is not the biggest hole that needs to be filled in terms of talent and experience.

LT, RT, Anchor and MLB and free safety all present equal needs in consistency and experience.

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:34 am

AppFan11 wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:30 am

Yes there are certainly going to be “growing pains”….if we truly have a 1a and 1b situation, while inconsistencies will happen and have to be tolerated, it’s when errors cause a couple of losses in a row… SC will be under pressure to make a change. Also let’s just admit that we do not have an established qb…… and it will have a significant effect on our team’s performance. Could we get lucky? Sure. Whoever makes the least mistakes will play.

True. And inefficiency at any position, whether it be QB, TE, or Safety have negative affects on team performance. IMO, QB is not the biggest hole that needs to be filled in terms of talent and experience.

LT, RT, Anchor and MLB and free safety all present equal needs in consistency and experience.

WOW! If breaking in a new quarterback who’s never played a Div. 1 game is not the most pressing problem we have, we’re in real trouble. Looking at our schedule , I see only 2 teams we are clearly better than. One of those is on the road, 1000 miles from home and the other was a FCS playoff team last year. If we are short at 3 OL spots, middle line backer and safety, we are indeed in trouble. Surely, we are not as critical at those positions and they do not rise to the level of concern as quarterback. (Sorry for calling you Shirley)

A repeat of last year isn't going to be tolerated. If we don't have the talent to avoid that then it isn't going to be a pretty offseason.

So what is acceptable? 8-4 9-3

I can see 7-5 with major improvement towards the end of the season.

pop5app wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:49 am

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:34 am

AppFan11 wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:30 am

Yes there are certainly going to be “growing pains”….if we truly have a 1a and 1b situation, while inconsistencies will happen and have to be tolerated, it’s when errors cause a couple of losses in a row… SC will be under pressure to make a change. Also let’s just admit that we do not have an established qb…… and it will have a significant effect on our team’s performance. Could we get lucky? Sure. Whoever makes the least mistakes will play.

True. And inefficiency at any position, whether it be QB, TE, or Safety have negative affects on team performance. IMO, QB is not the biggest hole that needs to be filled in terms of talent and experience.

LT, RT, Anchor and MLB and free safety all present equal needs in consistency and experience.

WOW! If breaking in a new quarterback who’s never played a Div. 1 game is not the most pressing problem we have, we’re in real trouble. Looking at our schedule , I see only 2 teams we are clearly better than. One of those is on the road, 1000 miles from home and the other was a FCS playoff team last year. If we are short at 3 OL spots, middle line backer and safety, we are indeed in trouble. Surely, we are not as critical at those positions and they do not rise to the level of concern as quarterback. (Sorry for calling you Shirley)

No one is predicting trouble. The new guys can play. It’s just a matter of growing pains. As it sits at the moment, you are replacing both tackles, and a middle LB. Those experienced tackles that are gone are being replaced with some talented, yet green replacements. At the moment, those spots are occupied by to be a converted DL and a Sophomore with some snaps. Same situation at MLB with Cobb graduating and having young guys with few snaps stepping in.

Now, if Harrington can’t go, and I have my doubts that it is wise for him to try, then you are placing the critical job of Anchor in the hands on a converted safety in Sullivan and possibly a true freshman.

No one is saying that we are short on talent. It’s young talent. Young talent has to grow and growth comes with some inconsistencies.

No worries about calling me Shirley. It’s not the worst thing that I’ve been called.

appst89 wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:02 am

A repeat of last year isn't going to be tolerated. If we don't have the talent to avoid that then it isn't going to be a pretty offseason.

Tolerated by who?

GAS hasn't even awoken from his pre-100 day slumber and we're already sandbagging.



And now people will claim they're not sandbagging, but instead telling the truth.

The reality is that none of us, nor the coaches, know how well our QB(s) will play this year. Football has become very QB-friendly. You see freshmen and other first-year starters playing at a very high level every year, all over the country. There's no reason one or both of our guys couldn't do that. But they could also fall on their faces. It's just a complete unknown right now, and will be until the live action begins in September.

T-Dog wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:27 am

GAS hasn't even awoken from his pre-100 day slumber and we're already sandbagging.

And now people will claim they're not sandbagging, but instead telling the truth.

In all honesty, 6-6 with signs of improvement or 9-3/10-2 with some fortunate bounces are both real possibilities.

My thoughts have been all along that I believe 2024 is the year we are back to good to great...given QB turnover and turnover in some other areas.
With that said, I hope I am happily surprised by how well we do in 2023....a year early...
This year and every year...my weekly pick is App .St. goes 1-0 each week!!

12-1. Book it.

With a loss to GW.